City's Land Development Team Seeks Feedback

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The City's Land Development Team is seeking input following changes to the development review process. We are launching a Land Development Customer Experience Survey to get feedback on this past year's changes and to request additional input on ways to continue to improve and expand our services. This survey is for both our "frequent flyer" customers as well as infrequent or one-time permit seekers.


This survey is for people who have done business with the City of Santa Barbara land development process at least once since July 2020 (in the past 14 months or so), when some changes to the process were made. Please answer the following questions to the best of your ability based on your own experience and opinion. There are no right or wrong answers and your responses are confidential. Instructions for submitting any additional comments you may have can be found at the end of the survey. Thank you!

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Chip of SB Sep 22, 2021 01:47 PM
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Lava, sb9 says it’s based on the census bureau’s urban area maps, which are available on their website. Hope ranch falls entirely within the urban area, and much of montecito does as well. Plenty of opportunity there to split lots and add rental units. In addition, these new laws void cc&rs so HOAs or can’t stop the construction of these units. One major restriction is the owner who splits a lot is required to live in one of the units for 3 years. This is supposed to prevent big developers from being able to split lots under the new law.

NotReallyDave Sep 21, 2021 07:43 PM
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I don't need a government -generated survey to say that, within the City of Santa Barbara Community Development Department, laws and ordinances have been abused to allow a single private business to occupy two illegal zones. When complaints were made, no investigation took place. Nuisances have never been abolished. One thing I have learned is that a City Council member will run on the platform that he is representing his district of people, but as soon as he is installed, he becomes an employee of the City, and you know how any employee is supposed to "protect" other employees, even when those lines are crossed. I have lost a lot of faith in this local "government".

NotReallyDave Sep 22, 2021 07:45 PM
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City employees in the Community Development Department allowed a business to occupy two contiguous parcels in the Eastside of the City. Each parcel was in a different zone, and each zone was not allowed for the business type. And the business was previously known to these City employees as a tenant of the Harbor. Neighbors have tried to report this through City channels, but all three monkeys always have Fridays off.

Byzantium Sep 21, 2021 06:14 PM
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The upside it no one wants to become a landlord anywhere in this state - laws are totally stacked against the landlord. One bad tenant, and one never wants to rent to anyone again. So these SFR will be sold larger rental operations or with the intent they will be sold to a property developer to turn into multi-plex rentals, as they are right now - notice the names in the real estate sales listings. No longer individuals; but limited liability corporations. The heart of this city will have finally been torn out - the one that used to thrive on community volunteerism and community engagement. Now it will be a mass of anonymous owners, fly by night renters while still demanding the premium rental rates because these are no longer homes; they are frank investments and have a bottom line to meet. Willing buyer meets willing seller. The buyers with the bucks have arrived. So don't kid yourself this is going to open up new "affordable" housing - except when willing buyer meets willing seller, it is affordable. Voters knew this was coming - they had a chance to put some brakes on this and at least get a veto with a new governor. But that was not the will of the voters. Now only the law of unintended consequences is prevailing, and the need for government operations to keep property tax revenues at their max which does not allow for more subsidized housing - only open market rate housing can do that. Until it finally devours itself and over-exploitation makes the entire area undesirable. Like Oxnard/Ventura.

Byzantium Sep 21, 2021 06:01 PM
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Who has done a pro forma on how this loss of protected SFR changes current property tax revenues - when current $2 million SFR property turns into a four-to eight flex properties? Will the property taxes be the same, or will the underlying value of the land as a four flex or eight flex be higher or lower than the current property tax it generates? I assume this "improvement" will lead to an increase in property taxes for that parcel, even though there are now more people who will be paying the tax rate. Whereas the neighboring SFR property values will most likely suffer a strong decrease in value now being in a multi-family R-4 type zone, which should demand a reassessment. Unless they too are now forced into a "highest and best" use valuation of their former SFR property and must now be taxed as a 4-8 plex property

Zenyatta19 Sep 21, 2021 05:18 PM
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I overheard someone say these new laws don’t impact Hope Ranch, because their HOA has CC&Rs that don’t allow it. Haha, Someone needs to inform them that SB9 & 10 override CC&Rs even in HR. At least high fire hazard areas are exempt. Our county and city have the ability to draw lines that exempt areas due to safety or public health concerns. Hopefully they will do this until these ridiculous laws can be overturned. Or wait until some HR homeowners subdivide their 2 acre lots into smaller parcels and add 1 ADU, 1 JR ADU and a duplex. That should get some counter legislation going.

bumblebee Sep 21, 2021 04:48 PM
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Here's a winning formula: first invite everyone to live here by declaring yourself a Sanctuary City/State. Now, when you realize there are too many people chasing too little real estate, throw out 100 years of local zoning laws. And while you are at it, don't require any new infrastructure to support all the people/building. That is winning formula our politicians have given us. What could go wrong?
Who elects these incompetents?

bumblebee Sep 22, 2021 05:18 PM
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9:22PM You may want to take a look at where the population growth in this state is coming from and where it is ending up. The point is our state leaders encourage population growth and then they are shocked when there is a resulting housing shortage. Add in a lot of advice and money from the builders and unions and the result is these knee jerk laws.
Can't wait to see what they come up with to solve the resulting infrastructure shortages. They'll probably have us showering in our own feces.

bumblebee Sep 22, 2021 05:00 PM
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5:29 What does having served in any public office or fashion have to do with it? The point is these laws have a lot of unintended fall out that will have to be dealt with down in the future such as: the lack of water, the lack of electricity, the lack of hospital beds, the lack of sewage treatment capacity.
And yes, I have served the public. Sadly, it has given me the opportunity to see how corrupt Sacramento really is.

bumblebee Sep 22, 2021 04:51 PM
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5:34 pm: that is misinformation you are emitting. Take a look at the city building records and you can find plenty of issued permits for converted old homes and built apartment buildings. Not everyone is a cheaper.

Alexblue Sep 21, 2021 09:22 PM
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Who exactly moves to Santa Barbara because it's declared a "Sanctuary City", if in fact it even was. Who on the planet in need of a sanctuary city can afford to move to Santa Barbara. Oh, you funny/

Byzantium Sep 21, 2021 05:45 PM
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You elect them and keep electing them. Do the names Hannah-Beth Jackson, Das Williams, Monique Limon or Steve Bennett have any meaning to you? They are the "state" who writes this legislation, even if they cop out and only vote "abstain". They do not vote no, they vote abstain to avoid personal responsibility locally, while their party ensured them this would pass without their votes anyway. They try to have it both ways. Our very own local elected representatives, this chronically revolving door of the same names and the exact same party, play it down the middle to not ruin their own re-election here, and maintain their party's backing in Sacramento. They are "the state" who tells us what to do. Remember their names. No one should give them a free pass on this one.

Chip of SB Sep 21, 2021 05:34 PM
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Bumblebee, this is not a break from 100 years of zoning. Until the 1970s, people commonly converted old homes into apartment buildings, and even built apartment complexes.

SBTownie Sep 21, 2021 04:14 PM
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Anyone know what are the pathways for voter rejection of SB9? Can we petition for a proposition in the next election cycle to repeal the new law?

sacjon Sep 22, 2021 01:09 PM
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If you don't know/see the difference between protesting racism and attacking the US Capitol building because you still believe in a debunked and proven LIE, then there's no hope for you. Stop whining about being deleted, it's getting pathetic.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 22, 2021 12:39 PM
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You guys? Who is this you guys you write? Anyway. This post was predictably filled with avoidance and more tired and poorly thought out projections from one of our resident Selfawarewolves... Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

Voice of Reason Sep 22, 2021 12:26 PM
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You guys don't know how wrong you are, how many hoaxes or lies you've followed, believed, and repeated here over the past 5 years (i.e. Russia collusion). How you excuse away bad actions on "your" side while condemning the very same actions from the "other" (i.e. peaceful protest vs. insurrection!) or feigning faux outrage over something only to then completely ignore the issue when "your" politician is in charge, even when it's worse (i.e. border crises/kids in cages, AOC has been rather quite on that front....). Ignoring the hypocrisy of your preferred leaders violating the very same laws and mandates us commoners are supposed to follow. Again, not enough space here and Edhat will probably delete this anyway. Again, you have your heads so far in the sand you'll never be able to see clearly again.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 22, 2021 12:01 PM
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We have a self awarewolf in our ranks! Let's start with: The Christian religious leaders that are in control of the GOP and its current lunacy, literally call their followers their flock... Not too mention the fact that in order to be a PROGRESSive you literally (as in the actual literal meaning) have to be for PROGRESS. The exact opposite of the Conservative Sheeple who follow their leaders backwards with blinders on to conserve their archaic way of thinking...

sacjon Sep 22, 2021 11:58 AM
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"I could go on and on and on but" I got nothing. Yeah, figured as much. Come in, say everyone is wrong but fail (or the latest MO, just don't even try) to prove your point.

Voice of Reason Sep 22, 2021 11:49 AM
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Everything SBO said fits the current progressive movement to a T. I could go on and on and on but there isn't enough space here and my comment would get deleted so I'll keep it short and in language you can understand: Baaaahhh

sacjon Sep 22, 2021 11:28 AM
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Who was whipped into a frenzy over a verifiable lie about the election? Who was told to mistrust the medical experts and scientists about COVID from the get go? You really think all these "free thinkers" who swallowed every one of Trump's lies, despite every expert (legal, medical, etc) proving him wrong over and over again, are somehow not "sheep?"

Voice of Reason Sep 22, 2021 11:12 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong SBO. Maybe if you're comparing the DNC/GOP of a decade + ago, but dead wrong with where the parties are at today, nearly the exact opposite of how you stated.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 22, 2021 10:47 AM
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Joe, I know it might be a stretch for you but one cannot be a Progressive and a Sheep... Sheep are ones who follow their leaders blindly regardless of what the leaders do or say. Progressives are more like Goats. More intelligent and independent but exceptionally needy. Today's Right blindly follows their leaders (talk show host, reality TV stars, narcissists, Warmongers) to slaughter as their policies and their politics have nothing to do with or for the people. The GOP politicians routinely say one thing while doing the exact opposite, knowing fair well that their voters are not smart enough to pay mind to such things as actual policy... They know that their base thrives on ideology, that they can only handle simple ideas and concepts. And unless you earn more than $1m a year, you're not even a GOP constituent in their mind. You're their sheep, in their flock, being led and fed so that they lead you to slaughter.

a-1632322313 Sep 22, 2021 07:51 AM
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SB 9 and 10 and others were not designed tomake houses “affordable”, the word is never mentioned. Instead, it's a model based on the Bay Area imposed state-wide. They were supported by builders and the League of Women Voters and all who want more housing without consideration for neighborhoods or more than lip service for historic districts and historic cities, especially coastal cities, generally.

SBTownie Sep 21, 2021 09:54 PM
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Chip, splitting random SFH lots into two sets of duplexes isn't going to make SB, or California, any more affordable. There are about 50 other interventions we could take to make housing more affordable, but they're far more "radical" than the capitalist SB9 and thus we won't enact them. Ironically the "progressives" (who are really just neoliberal shills) will promote policies like SB9 that barely make a dent in rents, if at all, while lining the pockets of the literal capitalists who own the properties being redeveloped. Best estimates from progressive analysis indicate that a 1% increase in housing supply decreases rents by 0.4-0.7% which means in order to reduce housing costs by 50%, we'd need to increase our housing supply here by 80+%. SB9 will have no positive effect on bringing housing costs down. You'll see. Meanwhile, many people who worked hard and love their homes and quiet, peaceful neighborhoods will see their rights as locals to self-determine anything stripped and their areas forever degraded. One can support the building of new housing, including high density housing and mixed-use zoning and buildings, without forcing high density down the throats of existing SFH dwellers. I'd rather see us put tax payer dollars toward supplying workforce housing and running local housing authorities for this purpose than spend $100,000 a person a year renting motels for the homeless and bulldozing single family homes to build fourplexes that will not in any way benefit the working class.

Byzantium Sep 21, 2021 05:47 PM
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Courts are constantly over-turning ballot initiatives we want; yet cramming down legislation we don't want. We now have dysfunctional disconnect passing for our "government".

Chip of SB Sep 21, 2021 05:39 PM
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Voters can absolutely pass a ballot initiative to counteract SB9, and if done correctly the legislature couldn’t implement any similar law again. We could call it the “making housing unobtainable for the working class forever” act.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 21, 2021 03:48 PM
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We dont need any more people. We dont need any more homes. The only natural barrier to over population in today's world is to limit building. Which puts market pressure on the value and if there is demand - of which there is plenty, prices will naturally balance. Money is the only real equalizer in the housing market. Its colorblind and allows anyone with it to purchase what they can, where they choose. Its not the Government or your neighbors duty to support you in your life. What makes this place special, is its character and its natural population cap. Our roads, our neighborhoods, our highways, our infrastructure is not equipped for more residents. Keep it expensive. Make it special. Make it hard. Nothing good in life comes easy.

Byzantium Sep 21, 2021 05:48 PM
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We don't need to keep growing the major sources of employment in this town: bloated government employment and bloated health industry employment.

PitMix Sep 21, 2021 01:13 PM
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I guess maybe we should all build big 2nd units with windows looking into each other's living rooms, and then rent or sell to cash in on the crazy house prices. Parking is going to be fun, too.

I understand the need for more housing, but densifying single family neighborhoods is not the solution to me. It seems like well-built multi-story apartment buildings along with more neighborhood parks is a better solution.

Voice of Reason Sep 22, 2021 10:51 AM
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With the current cost of building in Santa Barbara who is going to building low-rent apartments and loose money? The higher-end apartments are the only ones that will pencil out and a result, get built by the private sector. You are also mistaken in that high end units don't help anybody, every additional unit helps, the person moving into that high-end apartment will now not be moving into an alternative apartment making it available for someone else.

letmego Sep 22, 2021 10:44 AM
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We probably need both dense condos and apartments and ADUs. I originally thought that AUD was great and ADUs were horrible. Then reality hit - the AUDs built nothing but high end apartments which helped nobody. Which, I guess is what you get when big developers build something. The ADUs - they don't THRILL me, but there are a bunch that have gone in to my westside neighborhood of small homes. So far, it's not too bad. Yes, parking kind of sucks more and more every month, but some of that is due to single homes with 4 or 5 cars already (before the ADU). I've found that the ADUs where the owner is living on the property aren't so bad.

Byzantium Sep 22, 2021 09:19 AM
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Pitmix, you already got rid of the right-wingers 20 years ago in this state - term limits and the takeover by the big public sector unions (SEIU and the teachers unions). This mess in California belongs 100% to the Democrat super-majority and the voters who they buy off every election, with more unsustainable promises they claim someone else will be funding.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 21, 2021 03:55 PM
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There are plenty of homes on 1/2acre+ lots through out the city and the county. Some people want to be in a crowded neighborhood for the lifestyle, others for the energy. But if you want peace and privacy you will need to seek out peace and privacy. Those small Westside houses are insanely overpriced right now. Maybe its time for you to sell your humble abode and find your Eden to avoid the very thing you hate?

Ahchooo Sep 21, 2021 03:43 PM
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Chip, I’m sincerely interested to hear what your solutions would have been. Hardly anyone in any single-family residence neighborhood wants multiple units built next to them. There is a huge desire to keep open spaces open. That wasn’t just the city management, that was the people saying what they wanted. But many parking lots have been built on, some buildings like the old Von’s on Chapala changed to be housing, et cetera. Everywhere I look, I see housing where it didn’t used to be. What was your solution?

Chip of SB Sep 21, 2021 01:38 PM
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Santa Barbara’s development policies have been catastrophic, resulting in the severe housing shortage we are facing now. The new state laws are not perfect, but they will result in the construction of a lot of desperately needed housing units. It’s a shame the city could not have done a better job managing the construction of housing over the last few decades. Instead, the city abused its power to regulate housing development. Now the city’s authority has been revoked. Make way for the lot splits, duplexes, and ADUs.

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