City Transportation Czar and Believer’s Edge Leader on Paid Leave

There's no reason to think that the members don't pay taxes. The tax issue pertains to things like church property.

This terrorist organization needs to be immediately disbanded.

Great idea, I'll start a GoFundMe...

"He" didn't found anything, and no where does it state "members" have to do anything. Most reasonable readers can see your post is hogwash - "secret society - haha.

..."has been out on paid administrative leave for the past two and a half months" way to swing it Rob!

From the article above: "...Believer’s Edge, an all-male Christian ministry he started." If that is not true so be it. But blame the attribution on Welsh.

Excuse me but you just described the Democrat run, public sector union-dominated deep state. Not even a hint of self-recognition in your complaint about Dayton.

Secret society…What are you talking about?

The vocal, open and wide ranging hate and intolerance on here of religion is pretty staggering… sad to see such wildly vocal intolerance in our (top 15 beach City!) Santa Barbara…

"it looks like they got a fast lane to what they wanted ... Did diverse communities or women get similar most favored status treatment for their projects" -- first "a fast lane", then "most favored status treatment". Any evidence of these allegations?

LET ME ANSWER, "no, no evidence at all." = file under Hogwash
IN CASE YOU MISSED IT...

I just Googled "women's christian groups near me" - here's the first (one of many) I read/found:

"Find over 338 Christian Women groups with 60301 members near you and meet people in your local community who share your interests."

NOTE: there are SO many women only groups, I couldn't begin to post them... before I go, let me think of just 4 (officially stated or not) men's only groups that come to mind (that many people love and worship more than they love women; NBA, NFL, ELKs Club, and may I add; nationwide (white only and black only) fraternities... File under cults?

"LET ME ANSWER" -- My question was directed to the person who made the claim, and it's their burden to support those claims. "that many people love and worship more than they love women" -- you have issues. "File under cults?" -- only if they are religious / dogmatic.

Unfortunately, yes, Marcel, there is evidence of preferential treatment from Dayton to other insiders of that group. Scroll through some of the local profiles on that site. Some familiar names should jump out at you, who've had high profile funding requests and development projects before the city. This will all break open shortly, I imagine.

I asked for the evidence. Merely repeating that there is evidence without providing any is what fundamentally dishonest people with no moral core do.

evidence?

I looked at the website a day or two ago, when I first read about this.
I found very little information.
Could you please share what you've found! I'd much appreciate it.

I didn't find much when I searched for info. This is what I read:

http://www.believersedge.org/page/about-1

I didn't find much when I searched for info. This is what I read:

http://www.believersedge.org/page/about-1

I'd like to see more info on "Believers Edge"

I crawled around on the site, first looking at the website creator's profile, and then friends of his, and then I stumbled onto some big names here, including Dayton. http://www.believersedge.org/profile/RobertDayton?xg_source=profiles_memberList

Thanks for the link.

On Facebook, I see people wishing happy birthday to people who have died (including friends and relatives of mine) all the time ... it just means that they weren't aware that they had died. As for "separation of church and state", which I strongly support, the phrase was used by President Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists in which he allayed their fears of suppression by the federal government.

"Looks like it was created in 2021 by Rick Girard."

It says that he created that web page in 2021. Obviously he didn't create the organization--certainly not in 2021.

Wow. That site! I find it scary that people like this are taken seriously in society let alone are employed in the public sector. Who wants someone who thinks like this managing anything? Seriously. What happened to these men? Were they abused? Not hugged enough? Scorned by a lover?

SBobserver - What other religions would you preclude from being employable in the public sector or do you refuse to take seriously?

I knew the "all male men's ministry" line would get a few (we'll at least one so far...) stirred up...
ARTICLE FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE very NEXT LINE FROM BELIEVERS EDGE WEBSITE:

To accomplish this goal, we will commit ourselves to growing and activating our faith in four areas of mastery; Personal, Family, Career, and Kingdom Calling. We're here to pray for you and lift you up in the Lord, so don't hesitate to call or send us an email.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Good grief, Observer, these people are all around. Lots of nutcase religious people, even in SB.

One has to wonder why so many in this community are so down on "religion". Were they abused or not hugged enough , so they now take it out on those who do find solace in their faith communities? A knee-jerk negative and dimissive reaction can always be expected any time one shares their devotion to their faith, yet while proclaiming their own superior tolerance at the same time. Doesn't work that way. I am sorry so many somehow got abused by something they now label "religion". Many find their faith professions to be a necessary part of stability in their own lives, and we are all better for the numbers who do explore their own personal values and religious bedrock. Not everyone in religion was as duplicitous as Jim and Tammy Baker or the errant Catholic priests. Many, many value their own religious traditions and find ways to express this in their own daily lives at all levels. We want them in our society - they are part of our inner national strength and the Founders recognized their importance to the fabric of our society. Freedom of religion - means they get to enjoy there in their own meaningful ways, and they cannot inflict anything on you - you are free too. They are not threatening, so not sure why some so routinely respond negatively and dismissively to the mere mention of "religion". Personal boundary issues, I suppose. Even though they are not getting breached. A curiosity. And so predictable on this forum.

Byzantium, religion has been used as a pretext for murdering, subjugating, raping, abusing, and robbing from people for as long as it has existed, so some criticism seems reasonable.

Alex: Not buying that tired old liberal shibolith. Politics, ideology and even market forces have driven far more violence globally than any cartoon version of "religion". Even the villified Crusades were more market driven and territorial conquests, than anything to do with "religion". per se. But I know this is what you were taught in liberal education ,so you stick to your own beliefs because they work for you. Can't argue with your own religiously held belief system. Won't try. But don't don't fail to label your own point of view as a religious point of view since it has come out of your own personal belief system; and not based upon fact. Was our own Revolutionary War, our very bloody Civil War or our participation in two World Wars "religious wars", or again wars against control over land, resources and a distorted national ideology?

sure was pretty cool how they got Him to do all that cool stuff

"Religions are all alike — founded upon fables and mythologies." — Thomas Jefferson

LOL Byz, "personal belief system" is not analogous to religion, ya silly boy.

"We want them in our society-"

Don't include me, and whoever else, other unnamed people, in your "we"!

"personal belief system"[s] that posit an all-powerful god are different from religious personal belief systems. Yes, we all have ingrained thoughts that we were raised with.
Regarding religion, some continue, some leave their early ingrained beliefs and some take them up as adults.
I only point this out to clarify your argument, which is not clear and brings an incorrect element to your argument.

darn it!! I meant to say those that posit god are different from NON-RELIGIOUS belief systems.

YES - you can ignore this post, see MARCELKs response

YES, IGNORE THIS AND FILE UNDER; IGNORANT INPUT

Nothing worse than an evangelical. By far the worst people on earth. Arrogant, ignorant and astoundingly stupid...

Byzantium, What about Ireland? Iraq? Syria?

I find Evangelicals to be fundamentalists. I object to all types of fundamentalists, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu.
Fundamentalism has huge ties to Nationalism these days, that's why I included Hindus.

And Buddhist. See Myanmar.

Your first three sentences prove the point that religion had a great amount of control over society by being involved in "Politics, ideology and even market forces". I urge you to read more about early Christian church history.

9:59: Were Ireland and Syria really "religious conflicts"? Only in cartoon sound bites. Talk to anyone in Northern Ireland and they will describe The Troubles as a socio-economic conflict; not a religious ideology one. Muslim against Muslim in Syria? Sounds more like an inter-family squabble - again an ideology conflict when the same religion is found on both sides of the conflict. Just be more nuanced when it comes to long-standing conflicts- multi-factoral and not an excuse to justify your own personal discomfort with "religion" in toto. Plus, it is a repetition of the tired agenda on the Left that tries to divide and conquer on the most simplistic expressions of shallow prejudice. Reach much deeper when trying to explain the "times that try men's souls."

Alex - And of course the absence/attempted eradication/hate/etc of religion(s) have been used a pretext for as long as they have existed for murder, subjugation, rape, etc.

It’s the history of man…