34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Reads 81855

Photo: Ventura County Fire Department

Update by edhat staff
12:00 p.m., September 3, 2019
Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown and U.S. Coast Guard Captain Monica Rochester reported Tuesday morning they do not expect to find survivors as the Coast Guard suspended searches.
Read the latest update on the suspended search here. For all other updates and additional information on the Conception boat fire, click here.

Update by edhat staff
10:10 p.m., September 2, 2019

Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr Matthew Kroll confirmed Monday evening that 25 bodies have been discovered with 9 still missing, reports the Associated Press.

Four bodies were recovered earlier in the day with injuries consistent with drowning, according to Kroll. Sixteen other bodies were pulled from the water later that day with five more found on the ocean floor that are unable to be recovered due to unsafe conditions under the boat.

It's unknown at this time when the nine bodies will be recovered. Searches are expected to continue throughout the evening and early morning.

Update by edhat staff
4:30 p.m., September 2, 2019
A press conference was held at 4:00 p.m. to provide the community with updates on the Conception boat fire and its victims. The next press conference is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday. Below is updated information:

Initial Response

At approximately 3:30 a.m., Coast Guard Sector Los Angeles-Long Beach watchstanders overheard a mayday call via channel 16 of an engulfed 75-foot commercial diving vessel with 39 people aboard.

Crews from the Coast Guard, Santa Barbara Fire Department, Ventura County Fire Department and Vessel Assist responded. The fire department crews were fighting the fire when the vessel sank 20 yards off shore in 64 feet of water around 7:20 a.m.

Those onboard Conception were part of a scheduled 3-day trip that departed on August 31st. Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown reported the boat was scheduled to return to the Santa Barbara on Tuesday morning, however other reports and an online itinerary state the boat was scheduled to return on Monday at 5:00 p.m. The boat is owned by Truth Aquatics and has been operational since 1974.

Sheriff Brown stated there were no initial reports of an explosion and the mayday call confirmed the fire was fully underway.

Photo: US Coast Guard

Victims and Survivors

Conception had 39 people on board, 6 crew members and 33 passengers.

Five people, all crew members, were rescued from the water during the initial response to the incident.

Four bodies were recovered and taken to the Coroner. They can only be identified as two adult males and two adult females, ages unknown. Sheriff Brown stated DNA may be needed to properly identify these victims, which will take time.

Four more bodies were spotted by divers on the ocean floor in close proximity of the boat. Dive teams are attempting the recovery of their bodies.

There are 26 people still unaccounted for. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff - Coroner's Office will release information regarding victims as it becomes available pending next of kin notifications. They do have a list of passengers.

Sheriff Brown stated all passengers are from Southern California or beyond, appear to be diving enthusiasts, and is a mix of men, women, crew, and passengers. Brown also confirmed it does not appear that everyone knew one another.

Rescue and Recovery Operations

The Coast Guard is actively searching for additional people. The Coast Guard is scheduled to continue their search efforts throughout the night.

A 3,000-foot temporary flight restriction has been established around the Conception as well as a safety zone of 1 mile on the water so other vessels cannot go near the area.

"We should all be prepared to move into the worst outcome," said U.S. Coast Guard Captain Monica Rochester.

Rochester also reported usually there is an emergency escape hatch from the bottom sleeping quarters to the main deck in this type of vessel. 

Conception is reported to have a one-foot portion of the bow sticking out of the water and is currently inverted in 60-62 feet of water with tides moving it around. 

Agencies are discussing if it's possible to tow the boat but have not made a final determination.

Watchstanders launched two Coast Guard Station Channel Islands Harbor 45-foot Response Boat-Medium crews, a Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco Forward Operating Base Mugu Dolphin MH-65 helicopter crew, a Coast Guard Air Station San Diego MH-60 Jayhawk helicopter crew and the Coast Guard Cutter Narwhal. 

A Coast Guard Station Channel Islands Harbor 45-foot Response Boat-Medium, a Forward Operating Base Mugu MH-65 Dolphin helicopter crew and the California Department of Fish and Wildlife are on scene.

Investigative Agencies

A joint investigation is being conducted between local, state, and federal agencies that all have jurisdiction, said Sheriff Brown.

The Sheriff's Office will serve as Coroner with help from outside agencies, disaster and emergency response is on scene from a state level, and federal agencies from NTSB, FBI, and Coast Guard are also involved.

"Our primary concerns are victims and loved ones," said Santa Barbara County District Attorney Joyce Dudley. Santa Barbara County shares legal jurisdiction with the U.S. Attorney's Office, both will be monitoring the investigation.

The crew was interviewed by Sheriff's Office and U.S. Coast Guard, but information surrounding these interviews have not been released.

Captain Rochester from the U.S. Coast Guard confirmed annual inspections show Conception was in full compliance.

Family Assitance Center

A Family Assistance Center has been set up at the Earl Warren Showgrounds in Santa Barbara in Warren Hall. Family, friends, and loved ones of those affected by this incident will be able to receive information, support, resources, and mental health counseling. Members of local clergy, Chaplains, Hospice, Red Cross, emergency personnel, and more will be able to provide services.

It will be open until 9:00 p.m. Monday and will reopen on Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. The center will remain open until Thursday or as long as it's needed. Additionally, a family assistance number has been established at (833) 688-5551 or (800) 400-1572.​

Update by edhat staff
2:00 p.m., September 2, 2019

Four bodies have been recovered from the fire aboard the 75-foot diving boat Conception that took place early Monday morning.

Five crew members were rescued and there are still 30 people missing. The U.S. Coast Guard is continuing to search for survivors or additional bodies.

It's suspected that an organization named "Worldwide Diving Adventures" had chartered Conception for a tour of the Northern Channel Islands during Labor Day weekend. The company's business address is based out of Twin Bridges, CA and charges $665 for the weekend excursion. The event website encouraged all divers to purchase Divers Alert Network Dive Accident Insurance.

Audio from the Conception mayday call answered by a Los Angeles Coast Guard dispatcher provides little insight into what happened on the boat, according to CNN. The dispatcher questioned the crew member who made the call about whether passengers were locked onboard the vessel.

The dispatcher can also be heard asking if they could back onboard and unlock the boat, if there was an escape hatch for any of the people onboard, and if there was firefighting equipment onboad.

"You don’t have any firefighting gear at all? No fire extinguishers or anything?” the Coast Guard dispatcher asked according to audio on Broadcastify.  The crewmember’s responses are inaudible.

The five crew members were all reportedly awake on the deck and jumped off the boat to safety where they were rescued by a Good Samaritan, Grape Escape.

The owner of Grape Escape was apparently awoken by the sound of someone beating on his boat and found the crew members near a rubber dingy. 

A Family Assistance Center has been set up at the Earl Warren Showgrounds in Santa Barbara for family and friends of those on board. Anyone who needs more information can contact SB County OEM at805-696-1188.

A press conference is scheduled to take place at 4:00 p.m. where additional details will be added to this article.

(Photo: Mike Eliason / SBCFD)

Update by edhat staff
9:15 a.m., September 2, 2019

The U.S. Coast Guard stated in a press conference 34 people are missing or unaccounted as search and rescue recovery efforts are currently underway.

There was a total of 39 people on board with 34 people sleeping below deck and 5 crew members. The Coast Guard confirmed the five crew members were awake at the time of the fire and jumped from the boat before being rescued by a Good Samaritan vessel named Grape Escape. 

The Coast Guard confirmed the Conception boat was anchored 20 yards off Platt's Harbor on the northside of Santa Cruz island. The shoreline of the island is being searched for any survivors.

The Coast Guard confirmed the Conception vessel was in full safety compliance and the owner/operator is on scene planning for further assistance.

Presently the Coast Guard has full efforts in a response phase, also known as search and rescue. There is no additional information of rescue divers in the water. The Coast Guard also did not confirm an explosion but only stated a mayday call was received about the vessel being engulfed in flames.

A family assistance center is being set up with Santa Barbara County services.

Update by edhat staff
8:30 a.m., September 2, 2019

The 75-foot commercial diving vessel Conception has now sunk 20 yards offshore in 64 feet of water while firefighters were tackling the blaze, reports the U.S. Coast Guard.

Five people were evacuated aboard a good Samaritan pleasure craft Great Escape. Two of those rescued have leg injuries. Currently, 33 people aboard the vessel are unaccounted for.

Watchstanders launched two Coast Guard Station Channel Islands Harbor 45-foot Response Boat-Medium crews, a Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco Forward Operating Base Mugu Dolphin MH-65 helicopter crew, a Coast Guard Air Station San Diego MH-60 Jayhawk helicopter crew and the Coast Guard Cutter Narwhal. 

The vessel currently has a portion of the bow sticking out of the water.

The Conception left Santa Barbara's Harbor on Saturday for a three-day diving trip and was scheduled to return Monday afternoon.

Ventura County Fire Capt. Brian McGrath reported there are fatalities aboard, but the numbers are not yet known. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s coroner office is preparing for the possibility of a mass casualty incident.

Foggy weather conditions affected numerous recuse attempts. Rescue officials were on Santa Cruz Island looking for survivors.

The Conception boat has a bunk capacity of 46 people maximum with 13 double bunks and 20 single bunks. The bunks are "open berthing with pillows, blankets, curtains, and reading lights and dressing room is located in bunkroom," according to Truth Aquatics website. A layout of the boat is provided below.

The boat reportedly has rafts and life-jackets for 110 passengers.

Photos: Truth Aquatics

By edhat staff
7:00 a.m., September 2, 2019

A Santa Barbara-based diving boat caught fire early Monday morning off Santa Cruz Island with over 30 people missing.

Multiple fatalities are expected.

The 75’ Conception, was anchored just off the north side Santa Cruz Island when the U.S. Coast Guard and Ventura County Fire Department responded to a reported fire around 3:28 a.m.

Photo: Ventura County Fire Department

The U.S. Coast Guard reported more than 30 people were in distress as the vessel was on fire. A group of crew members has been rescued, one with minor injuries, as the efforts continue to evacuate the remaining passengers.

The Santa Barbara County Fire Department reported 5 people were rescued and 34 are missing. According to reports, the 5 crew members were able to escape because they were in the main hull while the 34 passengers were below the deck.

"The report we got was they were trapped by the fire. The fire was so intense that even after it was put out, we're not able to actually embark the vessel and, you know, look for survivors at this point. It's still ongoing," said Coast Guard Senior Chief Aaron Bemis to CNN.

Several photos from these agencies show the popular diving boat that regularly explores the Santa Barbara Channel completely engulfed in flames.

Santa Barbara County Fire Department received a mayday call of a vessel in distress off the Channel Islands at 3:30 a.m. local time but does not have assets involved in the rescue.

Photo: Ventura County Fire Department

Those onboard the Conception were scheduled to meet at the Santa Barbara Harbor on Friday night to board anytime after 8:00 p.m. The online itinerary states it was scheduled to depart at 4:00 a.m. Saturday and then return Monday afternoon around 5:00 p.m., according to Truth Aquatics, the website for the diving company.

However, it's unclear if this was the specific itinerary for this charter as Truth Aquatics owns three boats: Vision, Conception, and Truth.

Photo: Truth Aquatics / Facebook

"On the Labor Day trip, divers have the unique opportunity to explore the pinnacles of San Miguel Island," Truth Aquatics said on its website. "The beginning of September is the best time to be at San Mig, which see strong winds and swell during much of the year." 

The company's website said the crew was using the Conception this weekend to visit San Miguel where divers were expecting to see a variety of interesting sea life.

MarineTraffic.com shows the route the Conception took after leaving Santa Barbara.

More information will be added to this article as soon as it is available.

Login to add Comments


Show Comments
sbsunshine Sep 04, 2019 07:40 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Excellent new article from an independent new source. Truth Aquatics is an incredible company with generous hearts which have benefited many organizations. They have rescued countless animals working with the wildlife care network. https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2019/09/03/-i-m-numb---boat-owner-on-deadly-fire-near-santa-cruz-island?fbclid=IwAR0BKd-a6rlWt33_F2UOPYYeSkrOrf9Lm05Zkh6C4jTdZ0yc8SURCMfXxPw

PitMix Sep 04, 2019 09:01 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

It is pretty common for people to try and find a reason for a tragedy to reassure themselves that maybe they could avoid the same fate in their lives. I just figured the speculation was due to this and didn't take it as offensive. These things thankfully don't happen very often but when they do it is distressing for everyone. Everybody processes grief in their own way.

Z Sep 04, 2019 08:59 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Sea-Captain friend noted the losses in several American Maritime tragedies:
SS Edmund Fitzgerald - 29
SS Marine Electric - 34
SS El Faro -33
M/V Conception - 34

AdamVant Sep 03, 2019 05:45 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

RIP to the victims of this terrible tragedy. I would also like to thank all of the graduates of the Twitter School of Admiralty, and the Facebook Academy of Accident Investigation who've posted here on Edhat for enlightening me about what happened with your speculation, innuendo, conjecture and uninformed opinions. I have learned a lot from you, if you define "a lot" as "absolutely nothing."

Alexblue Sep 04, 2019 09:59 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

What happened? There was a catastrophic fire on board which killed thirty four people. Don't be snide or sarcastic, it's ugly. How did it happen? I don't know. What have I learned? I have learned that, regardless of the cause of the fire on the Conception, through reviewing my systems and procedures, I have been lax with my propane system. I have changed that. I have learned more about engine room fire suppression systems, and am now considering installing one on my boat. I am addressing some nagging concerns about my electrical, which hasn't been a clear danger but in the back of my mind, I had some questions. Regarding LI battery charging, I don't think the is a real issue on my vessel as any charging would take place in the salon, above decks and not near any potential fuel source should they catch fire. So, I'm trying to take something from this tragedy that will make my vessel safer, I don't see how that's the wrong thing to do.

Alexblue Sep 04, 2019 08:04 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

This may not apply to you, but for those of us who are boat owners and spend time on the water, it is important to look at tragedies like this and try and learn from them. For me, thinking about what could have happened and then applying that to the systems on my boat to be better prepared and achieve a higher level of safety for myself, friends and family is important. It's had me looking at installing an engine room fire suppression system, my LP system, my fire extinguishers, etc.. Perhaps you have learned nothing, I have.

All Sides Sep 03, 2019 04:07 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

After watching today's press release, I had some thoughts. 1-The sheriff did a good job, whether you like him or not. 2- The US Coast Guard spokeswoman (Captain Rochester) did also. 3- There are many comments on this thread that are way off base. And many are because of false and sensationalized news reports. I heard a question addressed to Sheriff Brown about the state of mind of the people involved in the search/rescue/recovery efforts. Wow. This tragedy has put a cloud on most of the people I have talked to about it.

sbsunshine Sep 03, 2019 04:07 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Respected person from the Montecito FEMA disaster set this up for the Conception Disaster. It will be used to support the families. She and others know first hand the impact of disasters like this. Her company will be paying all fees associated. You can verify her community work easily. Just passing this along

mrtrump Sep 03, 2019 12:56 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Here's a very important fact reported by the News-Press: 2 years ago Conception was re-powered (new engines) through a grant from the Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control District (APCD) Innovative Technology Group Program. In years past, several boats have caught fire and lost engine power due to faulty engines purchased through state and local re-power programs. Warnings were issued that marine re-power programs are a threat to human life. If this disaster was caused by an engine fire, then the county government may be liable.

LCP112233 Sep 03, 2019 02:05 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Zero. It's human nature to speculate and converse after a tragedy such as this. Everyone is in shock at the moment. This is a very devastating event for the community. People grieve in different ways. Very sad.

a-1567539899 Sep 03, 2019 12:44 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Here is link to Fox News video re: Bob and Shirley Hansen of the Grape Escape---------https://kmph.com/news/local/couple-from-madera-rescues-5-crew-members-from-deadly-dive-boat-fire

ZeroHawk Sep 04, 2019 09:17 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

i posted a similar comment and observation and that was deleted. this is really starting to make me look elsewhere for local news and commentary. Edhat is becoming a one sided joke as far as comments go. if you're not complaining enough or going against the grain, it gets downvoted by bitter people and deleted. cool. i'll move on over to noozhawk. i have personal ties to this situation and explained that the comments from some people on this thread were disgusting and wrong. oh well. guess my opinion doesn't count here.

a-1567532373 Sep 03, 2019 10:39 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

the magnitude of tragedy this county has had to deal with over the last few years (going back to UCSB shooting) is unparalleled for its size. some major major events have come our way, it's really unfortunate.

Soccer-Fan Sep 03, 2019 09:31 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Dear God. Words fail. Cried all day yesterday, still crying. Our son and his girlfriend are Scuba divers. Over 1,500 dives between them. We've seen them leave on many a trip, usually San Diego, some locally. Happiness evident in the shining eyes and on the faces of all the members of these groups of eager, nature loving people. My heart is with these beautiful people, lost to us, their grieving families and friends.

EastBeach Sep 03, 2019 09:08 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

An article in this morning's WaPo says one of the survivors told the Hansens aboard the Grape Escape that one of the clients was a 17-year old. Also, one of the crew members broke his leg after jumping from the bridge to the deck. Strangely, the Conception was the boat that was stolen and taken for a joy ride before going aground in 2005 .......... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/02/missing-after-boat-fire-near-national-park-california-coast/

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 03, 2019 09:07 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

The comments in this thread prove - without an ounce of doubt, that the internet brings out the absolute worst in people from the very worst people.

winter Sep 02, 2019 08:02 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

This is so awful...just want to know when the news conferences are...Was home from work today..saw the Sheriff Brown conference, on KCAL 9...at 4:00
Do we not have a PIO, anymore ?

Factotum Sep 02, 2019 07:54 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle) has several indepth articles and some fairly knowledgable follow up comments, including the following from a prior guest on this ship: ......" I was recently on this boat - earlier this summer.

A comprehensive safety briefing was conducted by the captain and all passengers aboard were required to be present. The captain shared the procedure for deploying life boats, basic emergency radio operation, the location of life jackets, and the location of two bunk room exits – a stairay towards the bow and an escape hatch near the stern of the boat. The briefing also discussed the alarms on board, underwater alarms, and location of fire extinguishers. It was done within the galley at the site of the emergency escape hatch, a roughly two-feet by two-feet square plank of wood with no lock or latch on it that leads to the bunks below...."

Alexblue Sep 03, 2019 10:32 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Do you know anything at all about boats? You can't create foolproof systems for every possible disaster. It's simply not possible. What happened was a terrible tragedy and possibly it could have been prevented, the facts simply aren't in yet.

mrtrump Sep 02, 2019 09:18 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

How are 34 people supposed to escape out of a 2x2 "hatch" in the dark, in smoke, and in a panic? Even small buses are required to have at least 1 push out emergency exit window on each side of the bus, each window having at least 8 square feet of area. That's in addition to the buses' service door.

Flicka Sep 02, 2019 06:26 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

What a very sad outcome to a fun 3 day diving trip. A couple interviewed on TV said the survivors came to their boat, pounded on their hull and they picked up the guys and used their radio to call in a May Day call. RIP to all the divers who are basically lost at sea. Condolences to all the families involved.

sbsunshine Sep 02, 2019 05:24 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

SB Sheriff Office transitioning to take over the event. Twitter link below:


mrtrump Sep 02, 2019 04:36 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

During the mayday call, the captian clearly stated that there were no escape hatches for the passengers to escape through. That is a fact.

a-1567533787 Sep 03, 2019 11:03 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

at 11:00am - then where should we get our news on this tragedy? Please leave the "fake news" political BS out of this. We don't need your kind here.

Alexblue Sep 03, 2019 10:39 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

See my above comment, likely mis-reported based on their reading of the incorrect questions posed by the dispatcher and the unintelligible response. An, if it WERE a fact that the mayday issuer stated this, why would they, as in fact there was an aft hatch, as you yourself point out. Uses your logical brain and don't spread misinformation. I have no idea what your motivation is to do this.

Alexblue Sep 03, 2019 10:37 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

It's likely that Noozhawk is mis-reporting this claim of the person on the radio saying there are no escape hatches. Listen to the audio of the mayday call. The dispatcher is posing questions which don't make a lot of sense. Maybe you have heard an audio where the mayday caller makes the statement, the call I listened to did not contain that nor does the transcript. If you have heard it, please link to it. The problem is that there is misinformation out there in the press based on the dispatcher's inaccurate interrogatories such as CNN reporting implying that the passengers were locked in. Apparently, on that boat, it's not possible to lock that door.

JoeG Sep 03, 2019 08:47 AM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Thank you AlexBlue for your cogent response. You are absolutely correct. Some of the negative and speculative comments here are so ugly. God, people can be insensitive. How about we wait to hear all the facts. And in the meantime pray for the victims and their families.

mrtrump Sep 02, 2019 06:35 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Both the L.A Times and our local Noozhawk are reporting that the "no escape hatches" comment was made by the ship's captain. In fact here's the exact quote from the Noozhawk article - " ' There's no escape hatch for any of the people on board' the man (captain) tells the Coast Guard". That's a fact.

420722 Sep 02, 2019 06:04 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Yes it’s a fact that he said that but is it an actual fact that there was no hatch? It’s was 3AM and he was in shock. I’m hearing from previous passengers that there is a hatch that has no lock or latch though it may have been inaccessible due to flames/smoke etc. That’s the most I’m willing to speculate since none of us really know what happened other than the fact people are dead, families are destroyed and our community is yet again rocked by tragedy. That’s all that matters at this point.

Alexblue Sep 02, 2019 06:04 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

You're LYING.

The crew member did not say that, the Coast Guard dispatcher stated it as an interrogatory. The Crewmember's transmissions were not intelligible. This nonsense about the passengers being locked in, also a dispatcher mistake. Listen to the transmission, you hear almost nothing. The crew member could have said "blocked", and been misunderstood as "locked." Be quiet and stop condemning people who have been traumatized badly when you don't know the story.

sbsunshine Sep 02, 2019 04:36 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

FYI - KEYT news conference keeps failing on mobile devices and there is zero livestream on FB. They need to upgrade their digital game. Same issues as 2017/2018 still not addressed. Hoping they allocate resources so the community can benefit and access info during important times like this.

a-1567485557 Sep 02, 2019 09:39 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

KEYT has slipped to 3rd chair in the news band these days as the info from EdHat, Noozhawk & other online outlets + CNN & the LA stations is far more reliable, current & consistent sans drop off & amateur hour-type reporting from people other than The Palm & Tracy Lehr.

katie07 Sep 02, 2019 04:29 PM
34 Victims Expected in Conception Boat Fire

Smoke detectors save lives it's true. Which is why the coast guard requires commercial vessels to have smoke detectors in sleeping quarters. There are periodic inspections same as a plane basically. This has been described as the kind of captain who checks the safety of the boat before setting sail. I don't know. An active smoke detector should have solved this problem with a fire extinguisher. I guess we'll have to wait. It is just speculation and gossip. The point is whether it's this disaster or a shooting we all have a connection to someone in anguish. Thankfully we don't see this situation often. Fact is boats do blow. But I predict a knee jerk reaction on the marine industry while Nothing is done on guns.


Please Login or Register to comment on this.