Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

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Does anyone know how the newly formed Ember Team of volunteer firefighters did in stopping the Cave Fire from going into the Painted Cave  community? Since the trucks are gone, did they fight from the ground or what?

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a-1576066347 Dec 04, 2019 03:42 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

The timing and location of this fire is highly suspicious. Predicted high winds and super dry brush. With rain on the way there was just enough time to do some serious damage but not to rage for long and unlikely to go into the city. Point of origin not far from the Painted Cave Community... All firefighting equipment purged by an angry former resident. Has anyone stated how this fire started?

a-1576066347 Dec 04, 2019 09:59 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Ember Team you need to get an attorney. No way should it have been ok for the dishonest ex Chief to take all of the money in the account, fire trucks and equipment as stated. There’s something missing here.

TWOSCOOPS Dec 03, 2019 10:27 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Ember crew. What are the supplies and skills needed? Every neighborhood might need Ember Teams in the future. Neighborhoods at base of #154, San Roque, both sides of Foothill and both sides of Cathedral Oaks. Teens and adults can make a difference, if they know how to fight embers. There might come a time when evacuation won't be an option. What then?

MountainMan4865 Dec 03, 2019 03:01 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

First and foremost is safety. Every area is going to be slightly different. I can in no way advocate anyone staying behind, but am aware that sometimes that choice may not be there. There is tons of great information readily online regarding fire behavior, the difficulty of the Wildland/Urban Interface (WUI), and home hardening. We are starting a library of videos and information on our website - This is an excellent short article with two 3+ minute videos regarding embers. https://www.fs.usda.gov/rmrs/science-spotlights/protecting-your-home-wildland-fire What is your water supply? We're installing additional, stand alone tanks in the community, to allow for our main water system to be available for incoming resources. People with pools are equipping themselves with pumps and hose. There are many stories of homeowners leaving sprinklers on, with all good intentions, but that can create a significant drain on municipal resources, especially if the power is out. That happened in Ventura during the Thomas Fire. Beyond the water is how to move it. We found this Summer that lots of people had pumps, but most hadn't been started in years and were essentially useless. This could easily several pages long. Please feel free to contact us either through our website or you can contact MountainMan - [email protected] Neighbors sharing information and supporting each other is what it's all about!

Flicka Dec 03, 2019 09:31 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

It has never been explained how the Volunteer Fire Dept in Painted Cave could have their firefighting equipment sold to defend that criminal of a chief. If the equipment, including the fire truck, were bought with donations and some money from FEMA, as I've read, how is it legal to sell to benefit a guy who had been cheating the organization for years? Seems totally unfair.

pstarSR Dec 03, 2019 08:31 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

there was a reporter in the painted cave area and showed a home being "protected" by the "ember team". From what I saw in the video, he had a hose and was "wetting" the vegetation around the home. they are volunteers, they will fight from the ground. they dont have helicopters.

Michaelsdoors Dec 04, 2019 02:14 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Here is a link to the KEYT 5:00 news clip that featured members of the Mountain Ember Team in action. https://keyt.com/news/fire/2019/11/26/cave-fire-firefighters-battle-toughest-firefighting-conditions-in-the-world-rain-on-the-way/

pstarSR Dec 04, 2019 08:29 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

whats is wrong with you? I did not say that in anyway. I was discussing the ember team, not the county resources. this topic is about the EMBER team, not the county resources. READ the post the question was "are they fighting on the ground or what?" no where was my comment condescending, it was truthful and to the point of the topic and question asked. gezzzus this place is ridiculous.

Zenyatta19 Dec 03, 2019 06:05 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

PSTARSR - Um is that not what I said? SB COUNTY had helicopters come in. I guess I should have added a “ but” at the beginning of the sentence. Yes the Ember Team fought on the ground, but SB County aided with air support. Your condescending remarks are unnecessary as are your quotes around protection, ember team and wetting in your original post. Are you implying the Ember Team members are just pretending to be firefighters?

pstarSR Dec 03, 2019 12:27 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Great comment Zenyatta19, but that is NOT the ember team in painted cave. that is COUNTY resources. please understand we are talking about two different entities. one being volunteer and other other being emergency services.

PitMix Dec 03, 2019 08:23 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

That's great to hear that the Ember Crew was able to do so much given their lack of access to the volunteer dept equipment. Thanks, MountainMan. I hope everyone associated with the volunteer fire department gets what is coming to them after their dangerous and illegal actions. What is the State's Attorney General that investigates non-profits waiting for?

Michaelsdoors Dec 04, 2019 02:22 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Hi, this is Michael. Thank you for your contribution as we have secured your donation to our equipment shed. It is your contributions that make our efforts possible.

Michaelsdoors Dec 04, 2019 02:19 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Thank you for noticing that we on the Mountain Ember Team are here to aid in any way we can, even through our very humble means. We care about those around us and we are just trying to help.

sb-resident Dec 03, 2019 08:31 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

I have half dozen (?) fire hoses wound up in two barrels sitting here on el Sueno road. Could the painted cave community use these? Does anyone want to pick them up? 805-886-8510.

a-1576066348 Dec 02, 2019 11:07 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

It is inconceivable what the Painted Cave Volunteer Fire Dept Chief & Co has done to that community. How dare they?! And how is any of it legal? Do we know how this fire began yet? Makes you wonder...

MountainMan4865 Dec 02, 2019 10:14 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

It did come to Painted Cave. It surrounded several houses in the Lower Loop and burned over two water systems, damaging one that fed 10 homes and destroying another that fed 3 homes. The Mountain Ember Team deployed over 3,000' of hose at six different points around the community and in the Lower Loop. In the Lower Loop, water was provided to staged resources and downtown Painted Cave provided over 36,000 gallons of water to tanks and engines fighting the fire. There were almost 20 people who were up for nearly 36 hours, with hoses, watching and waiting for embers or encroaching flames. Power and phones have still yet to be restored to some houses. On an ironic note, the Painted Cave Volunteer Fire Department, Inc denied access to additional hose and nozzles for community protection on Tuesday, but did completely empty out the station of any and all equipment - including foam, bunker gear, hose and nozzles, etc - loaded onto trucks, late Sunday afternoon, the evening before the hearing for a restraining order against the further sale/disbursement of equipment. We were denied the restraining order this morning.

PitMix Dec 02, 2019 04:21 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

With mother nature throwing embers 2 miles ahead, if the fire had been driven through Painted Cave by the wind, nobody could have done anything about it. Remember, the big tankers couldn't fly that night. Painted Cave must have been off of the main path of the fire from the start.

Luvaduck Dec 03, 2019 07:37 AM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

I'm not a fireman but as I understand it wildfire direction can turn and roar in another direction if the wind changes and is strong, and also the fire adds its own 'conditions' that speed it up, a venturii effect like a bellows at a blacksmith shop. Someone correct me if that isn't so, please.

a-1576066348 Dec 02, 2019 09:16 PM
Painted Cave Volunteer Firefighters During Cave Fire

Pitmix Tankers could not fly but 4 helicopters with night vision did. Add that to the heroic efforts of firefighters and the preparedness of the Painted Cave residents and it was a good outcome for all. Of course nothing can stop a wind driven wildfire. We were all lucky the wind speeds were not 75mph like those in Montecito that night. Chaparral doesn’t typically throw fire brands 2 miles ahead of the fire. But Palm trees and Eucalyptus do.

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