The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

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By SBCAG

Santa Barbara County Association of Governments (SBCAG) wants the public’s help to identify sites for future electric vehicle charging stations. Six California central coast counties have collaborated on an interactive online mapping tool where the public can offer their valuable and necessary input.

The goal is to identify ideal locations for new public charging stations in the six counties between Ventura, Santa Cruz and San Benito Counties.  Electric vehicles are essential to the fight against climate change, and more charging stations are needed to recharge vehicles, particularly in rural and traditionally underserved communities.

“Electric cars are the future of transportation and the number of these vehicles on the road continues to grow,” said SBCAG Board Chair, Das Williams. “We want to make charging as effortless as possible and need the public’s help to identify opportunities to make it even better and easier to charge on the fly.”

The information gathered from the interactive online mapping tool will help create the Central Coast Zero Emission Vehicle Strategy.

Santa Barbara County Association of Governments (SBCAG), Association of Monterey Bay Governments (AMBAG), and San Luis Obispo Council of Governments (SLOCOG), along with Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Monterey Santa Cruz, and San Benito counties have partnered to develop the strategy. 

The public can find more information on the Central Coast Zero Emission Vehicle Strategy at www.centralcoastzevstrategy.com.

The Central Coast Zero Emission Vehicle Strategy needs public input on the interactive mapping tool to accelerate the adoption of zero emission vehicles in the region. There are different types of charging stations and popular locations for them like rest areas, retail venues, restaurants, libraries, community centers, beaches, parks. Feedback on the map identifies the needs of communities.

The interactive mapping tool is live and available to the public through October 2022 at www.bit.ly/CCZEV. A quick video tutorial on how to use the interactive mapping tool is also available at www.bit.ly/InteractiveMapVideo 

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Shasta Guy Aug 18, 2022 07:45 AM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

This really needs to be done by some innovative individual who can put together a string EV charging centers every 150-200 miles just like truck stops. Lots of hook ups to charge vehicles and some form of an entertainment lounge to safely hang out while charging. I don’t think government studies were required to figure out where to place gas stations.

ParvoPup Aug 16, 2022 07:41 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

The solution is simple - each Tesla should haul a trailer behind it equipped with a fueled up generator to be used to recharge their batteries.

Sounds like jest, but just two weeks ago, while at my off-grid place in the Sierra, a new property owner from the Bay Area showed up in their Tesla. Apparently, they overlooked the fact that an EV vehicle sucks more juice at altitude and especially when crawling up 4000 feet in elevation with gradients of up to 17% over a 40 mile stretch.

Dude came in on battery fumes.

Panicky guy he was.

"How am I going to recharge when I leave"?

"Settle down Scooter - I have a portable propane generator that I can flip to 240 volts and get your wokemobile recharged so you get back down the hill. You just owe me for the propane - cash only please."

a-1660714145 Aug 16, 2022 10:29 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

While an EV may use more energy to climb a hill (so does an ICE), altitude itself has no effect. And, when you come back down the hill, your EV uses regenerative braking to reclaim much of that extra expenditure, whereas an ICE vehicle just uses a little less.

pstarSR Aug 16, 2022 04:15 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

man to think we had a bunch of EV chargers installed 20 yrs ago at costco and other places( malls, paseo nuevo etc ). only to have them ripped out because of politics.

hopefully that doesnt happen again. does my skepticism come through the internet correctly?

bosco Aug 16, 2022 03:43 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

The majority (>90%) of my EV charging is done on a Level 2 charger at home or work. These are relatively cheap and easy to install. The focus should be on incentivizing Level 2 installation at home, work, and residential parking areas (apartments, condos, etc.). Places where people leave cars sitting overnight and long periods of time. Not shopping centers and strip malls where EV charging is fairly pointless.

bosco Aug 16, 2022 06:58 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

As a Tesla owner I am very aware of DC Fast Charging capabilities. DC charging is critical to long drives and will continue to expand. The point I was trying to make was most of the focus seems to be on long drives when the majority of charging does not depend on this extended network. If you don't have easy access to a reasonably priced charger in your daily routine then an EV doesn't make sense. L2 Chargers are relatively cheap and easy to install and we should be targeting residential neighborhoods, businesses, and homes. Putting L2 chargers in stripmall parking lots makes no sense.

edney Aug 16, 2022 02:13 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

I was intially responding to this great tech Sun generously shared:
This type of charging combined with autonomous is the future, and our state should be making sure our power sources and grid can handle it

"Wireless road charging for EVs to debut in 2023
2022-06-09 KAMI BUCHHOLZ
A pilot program for public roadway charging of passenger and commercial electric vehicles is a first in the U.S.
https://www.sae.org/news/2022/06/wireless-road-charging-for-evs

Wireless Electric Vehicle Charging
https://www.nrel.gov/transportation/wireless-electric-vehicle-charging.html
High-power, in-road, dynamic wireless charging could go a long way toward realizing the potential of charge-sustaining electric vehicle operation (i.e., unlimited range with in-route recharge) while enabling the use of smaller, cheaper batteries."

This type of charging combined with autonomous is the future, and our state should be making sure our power sources and grid can handle it

edney Aug 16, 2022 02:06 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

FondofSB

I know these families I wrote of personally.
I clearly said the families drove through the night. They leave after work, pack food and drinks and drive straight through the night taking turns at the wheel, stopping for gas and bathroom.

They go to visit relatives and they stay at their relative place. Yes, it gets crowded.

Gas is a known cost, motels can put the trip out of reach financially, and also cut out the time spent with the relatives

So did you really think I was writing about people who would pack the kids in the car after work, drive 16 hours to Washington state overnight, only to immedaitely hang a U-turn and drive back home? I have never met anyone ever who would do that on purpose and if I did, I'd think they need their brain donated to science so whatever mental illness caused that behavior could be cured.

FondofSB Aug 16, 2022 02:36 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Edney :
You said nothing about the purpose of their trips.
And so when you go on "vacation" you can't stop 15 mins every 150 miles ? Is that it ? Especially with kids : they'll feel better being able to move around every 2 1/2 hours and the driver will be more secure, and they'll spend 3 times LESS money for the "gas" ...

FondofSB Aug 16, 2022 09:51 AM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

It's nice to know what you're talking about !
In 15 minutes you can actually recharge enough to go another 150 miles.
So , yes, gas stations which are CLOSE TO the freeway exits and available every few miles are ideal places to refill.
You can walk around a few minutes, get yourself coffee and evacuate what needs to be evacuated and by the time you're done you can go off another 150 miles ..
And if you do stop overnight stay at hotels with "destination" chargers and the next morning your EV is full to the brim .

Voice of Reason Aug 16, 2022 01:20 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Ok, but the article is about public charging stations like the ones at the downtown lots. I would agree it's up to the EV makers to provide for adequate charging opportunities IF it wasn't for the state mandating all new vehicles sold be EV by a certain date. That's simply a feel good measure for political points if not connected to a concrete plan to increase green electrical generation, distribution, and EV charging stations adequate to handle what is expected to be a marked increase in EV's on our roads. It's easy to waive your hand and say all cars sold will be EV's by a certain date, it take superior intellect, cooperation, and leadership to get our electrical grid into a position that can handle all that new capacity.

Sun Aug 15, 2022 07:03 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Wireless road charging for EVs to debut in 2023
2022-06-09 KAMI BUCHHOLZ
A pilot program for public roadway charging of passenger and commercial electric vehicles is a first in the U.S.
https://www.sae.org/news/2022/06/wireless-road-charging-for-evs

Wireless Electric Vehicle Charging
https://www.nrel.gov/transportation/wireless-electric-vehicle-charging.html
High-power, in-road, dynamic wireless charging could go a long way toward realizing the potential of charge-sustaining electric vehicle operation (i.e., unlimited range with in-route recharge) while enabling the use of smaller, cheaper batteries.

a-1660696200 Aug 16, 2022 05:30 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

And greatly decreases the danger to our climate? Yes, it's a good thing, unless you're a carbon shill. Even if you're stupid, and continue to use carbon fuels to generate electricity, you can do it much more efficiently, and control the effluents much better, if you do it at a power plant than spreading it across inefficient ICE vehicles and home stoves.

FondofSB Aug 16, 2022 01:21 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Edney : " families who drive long distances through the night SB to Washington, SB to Salt Lake".
SB to Washington : 1100 miles. SB Salt Lake City : 800 miles.
Your "families" drive at what speed to make it through the night ?
Once they get there, since they "don't want to pay for a motel.", what do they do with their "kids" ? They go back to SB to redo it the next day ?
They "don't want to pay for a motel" but paying the $ 250 to $ 300 they spend on gas for just the one way trip (not counting coming back), that's no problem, right ? Looks like you're "out of touch" with reality !

edney Aug 16, 2022 11:13 AM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

I'm a big fan of that kind of technology
Great article.
My main concerns are the cost per mile of lane multiplied by number of lanes and the current inadequate capacity to produce enough electricity in summer months and the power grid.

I am assuming the state or SCE will be billing drivers per fraction of mile using transponders. Will that be more expensive than gasoline?

At $1.9M per mile per lane, it would cost $180M to electrify the 101 from SB to Rincon

How is that much electricity going to be generated and delivered? That is a ton of power

We'll know if our government is serious about EV's when they stop the talk and the Soviet style 5 year plans and start building things. Issuing edicts like X% of cars sold in CA have to be EV's is the easy part. but ever notice how when you ask where the electricity is going to come from, all you'll hear is solar and wind?

Last, some of us here are out of touch regarding near term edicts and the current state of the technology. I know quite a few hispanic families who drive long distances through the night SB to Washington, SB to Salt Lake, SB to Zacatecas, with the kids sleeping in the car. They don't want to have to stop every 150 miles for 15 minutes recharging, and they don't want to pay for a motel.

Imagine the lines at a gas station if everyone took 15 minutes. According to this study, the average time to fill up with gasoline is 2 minutes.
https://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas/consumer-information/consumer-resources/staying-safe-pump#:~:text=It%20may%20be%20a%20temptation,be%20discharged%20at%20the%20nozzle.

Imagine the size that station would have to be to accomodate electricity for everyone on the road. (7.5X)
The average Interstate or main US highway Recharging station would be a big as the empty Sears parking lot at La Cumbre Plaza and probably need its own substation

a-1660670076 Aug 16, 2022 10:14 AM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Very interesting. Back to the future? Trolleys and streetcars with overhead and 3d rail systems have been around for over a century and still exist and work great. Not sure how efficient these systems might be--seems pretty sketchy that just driving a good 12 inches above the line would be efficient transmission. We'll find out.

FondofSB Aug 15, 2022 01:36 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Some EVs are "local" and driving "around town" , some are travelling long distances.
For the "locals" : ALL public parking lots should be required to have, say, 10 % of their parking places equipped with "level 2" chargers (which are basically nothing more than a 240 V plug, very easy and cheap to install).
These parking places should be by the entrance of the parking and next to the handicapped parking places.
For the "long driving" : Most current traditional gas stations located along major driveways have enough space, in the back of their stations to install 4 or more "superchargers". The installation of those should be subsidized and the station owner should be remunerated as a portion of the KW "purchased" by the EV driver.
This way EV drivers would know that on long travel they can "refuel" as easily as is now done with traditional ICE cars.
One thing that should apply to both types of stations is : they should be treated the way handicapped parking places are currently treated : anybody parked on those spots which is NOT and EV car should be hit with a very steep fine (the $ 250 to $ 500) which currently hit you for parking on a handicapped spot.
These are easy answers to the problems of local or long distance EV driving.
In addition, all new individual housing building should be required to have outdoor accessible 240V plug to let the homeowner "refill" their EVs overnight, and apartment buildings should have recharging stations in front of the building which are reserved for EV cars.

a-1660706680 Aug 16, 2022 08:24 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

As for the new housing, many of these new developments have very limited or even no parking except on the street. This was strongly supported by some of the advocates for electric cars, although since most owners of e-cars are affluent, they probably would not be living in the new apartment houses.

sbbeachguy Aug 16, 2022 09:25 AM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

I agree that gas stations are often not good locations, but hotels and bus stations? No - not usually staying the night and certainly not hopping on a bus!
In my recent experience making a 2200 mile trip at 180-200 miles per leg, stations need to be easy to get to (near freeway/highway), near amenities (dining, restrooms!) and have cover from sun and rain. Walmarts (which often have Electrify America DC fast chargers) were often the best locations.

Chip of SB Aug 15, 2022 05:23 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

Not sure charging at a gas station would be viable for long distance travelers. Spending hours at the gas station would suck, especially watching other motorists come and fill up in 5 minutes and take off with 300-400 miles of range added. Better to offer chargers at hotels or near a bus stop so EV drivers can stop for the night and/or access public transportation once their 200-300 mile range is used up.

a-1660594002 Aug 15, 2022 01:06 PM
The Future of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Needs Public Input

This survey is pretty hard to handle. Doubt that it will give any reliable information. There is some typical insensitivity of the people who drafted it, assuming that those who will want to participate are sophisticated in use of the technology and services (i.e., the instructions to use a Google app if you want to complete it in Spanish). We have owned an electric car and have for 4 years but the issues this deals with are pretty irrevelant to us. The idea seems to be that EV users are traveling long distances whereas most seem to be doing regular commutes that allow them to charge at home or at work, for example.

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