July 4th Cartoon

4:32 - You certainly have embraced the fantasy alternate reality world if you think that.

While the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters.

Come on. The hate is strong on both sides, if you don' understand that you are a big part of the problem.

These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live.

Chip "hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. " Like when the far right extremists used flag poles designed as spears to attack Capitol Police?

FITZ - A hearty "Welcome Home" (from Vietnam) for your husband. People these days don't always follow "traditional" ways of celebrating everything. I'm not concerned about the youngsters manner in which they celebrated the 4th of July with flags and their trucks. But, my BP does rise significantly when I see protesters burning and defacing the US flag in other ways and there's nothing that can (legally) be done. Enjoy your day.

Doulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.

Doulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.

CHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Get a torch and exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?

CHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?

FITZ - If you're intimidated by the American flag best you stay inside today. There is nothing illegal about this display of patriotism.

Fitz, it is unfortunate, but such grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. Below is an example from the early 20th century. What a menacing sight! For many, the sight of this flag brings on tremendous pain and suffering. Displaying the American flag is literally an act of violence. One might suggest some kind of common sense flag safety legislation to put reasonable limits on displaying this symbol of oppression, but judging by the recent decisions from our Supreme Court they would probably come up with a way to claim the display of our flag counts as free speech. Crazy!

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Everyone the right worships: Jesus, the founding fathers, Lincoln, heck even Reagan. Would completely despise the crazy hillbilly nonsense the GOP has become.

The Roe v. Wade thing should be decided by individuals not government--or perhaps only those who could get pregnant should be allowed to vote on it locally. I spoke with an elderly and kind couple this morning who get all their news from FOX--no other source except friends--and don't check any of it. He is all-in for repeal, she is (quietly) not. Both his dominate stance and her experienced vulnerability inform their positions.

I'm spending time right now with family in a rural red area in a purple state. I definitely had to bite my tongue a few times. The love of Trump and DeSantis is strong here.

Of course they are Catholic too, the family members.

This cartoon doesn't suggest that at all. It suggests that most men aren't personally affected as they haven't lost any of their freedoms.

I do know that the SCOTUS is not acting as the Founders intended, and anyone who denies that is morally corrupt.

Bologna - we've become the most restrictive now on "birthing". Funny you defend the US rather than defend women.

Not the developed world.

Freedom of speech? "Don't say gay"

You do know the Supreme Court is unelected by design and has been since day one?
"Maybe better than many third world countries dominated by religion, but not compared to the modern developed world."
You are going to need to give names of countries. Are we talking about Iceland or Brazil?
Many liberal countries have gestational restrictions that exceed most American states

5:22 - Maybe better than many third world countries dominated by religion, but not compared to the modern developed world.

Even after that we still have more abortion rights than nearly every other country in the world.

50? How about 2

ALEX - he and VOICE seem to be using the same playbook. If anyone calls someone out for posting a verifiable lie (intentionally false statement), they howl and cry about all the "hate" from the left and then call us "libtards" or "idiots." Not saying BABY has said those things, but the constant conflation of "hate" with being called a "liar" for continually posting verifiable and blatant misrepresentations of fact while refusing to back it up, is getting old. I'm guilty as hell of over posting here, I own it, but I can't (at least only during weekdays before 6pm usually) just stay quiet when I see the constant barrage of lies (intentionally false statements) with the concomitant complaints of "hate" against the conservative posters here.

Babycakes, who are you talking to? I haven't called you any names. You do love to tell people how to comment, and then you dodge and run away rather than answering questions about your thinking and tell people to just reeeeeelaaax. As if you haven't written volumes on this site.

Babycakes, if you say that "no one disputes that she had 50 vape cartridges and was planning to sell and distribute the vape cartridges", then you are carrying water for a totally corrupt police state by accepting their claims and therefore implying that her detention is justified.

You don't see that?

MarcelK/Chillin/AlexBlue: I'll admit that the facts in the case are not completely clear, but Ms. Griner's freedom is now limited, and that's no joke. Two cartridges or fifty cartridges, does not matter (there were t-w-o vape pipes and many multiple cartridges to the best of my knowledge), she is detained in prison because of what is rightfully or wrongfully being claimed. We can sit here all day with the back and forth, and you can call me names and play games, but don't forget who is in jail right now. The four of us can look back on this one day and have a cold beer or glass of wine or shot of bourbon or whatever you want, but for now, it's best to present a common front against tyranny. God bless and please be good to others and treat them well.....even when you completely disagree.

" I should have used the word "detained" rather than jailed"

Detained in jail, genius.

As for the comments from VOMonsters, no one should be surprised. He could give his hero Tucker Carlson a run for his money.

"No one disputes that the 50-plus hashish cartridges"

Everyone intelligent disputes your nonsense.

Baby: Are we supposed to take the word of the Russian police at face value? You and Voice of Stupidity are jumping to conclusions here. We're talking about police who routinely beat up people for peacefully protesting, plant evidence, and make up charges.

"No one is questioning". LOL. As if no one has ever been railroaded by a dictatorship with false legal charges.

How do you know she had the cartridges and they weren't planted by Russian security forces?

You don't.

And btw, the number of cartridges is not "fifty plus", it's two.

You just love to pull stuff out of thin air, don't you.

VOR, and exactly how do you know that? Not a fan of due process, eh?

Chillin & The General: No one disputes that the 50-plus hashish cartridges are considered trafficking in Russia. No one is questioning that she was planning to sell and distribute the vape cartridges as it's obvious to even the casual observer that the number alone would not be for personal consumption. Basically, she is being looked at by Russia as a drug trafficking drug dealer. Nothing more and nothing less. She still needs your support as she is an American in a Russian prison. This has nothing to do with Trump, Trump supporters, conservatives, the GOP, patriots, and so on. It has everything to do with one of our fellow citizens schlepping drugs into a foreign country. You have to ask yourself, "What was she thinking??!!??"

Remember the theme song from the movie 'The Falcon and the Snowman'? It's a Bowie/Metheny collaboration: This Is Not America. As a side note from the article '24 Countries That Have the Death Penalty for Drug Trafficking':
"Drug trafficking, unlike drug consumption, is considered a very serious crime in most parts of the world and is usually punishable by several years of imprisonment. In some cases, even capital punishment is invoked. Trafficking is defined by carrying a specified quantity of drugs like marijuana, methamphetamine, heroin, cocaine etc, and the punishments depend on the quantity, geographical location, the intent of the offender, and whether or not minors were involved."

Voice of Putin: Not only are you judging her guilty before proven innocent. You are taking the word of Russian airport police over that of a US Olympian and stellar athlete. In addition to sexually abusing toddlers and bombing and looting civilians, Russian security forces are some of the most corrupt in the world and no stranger to hostage-taking on bogus charges. I suppose you're one of the odd Trumpies that respects Putin for being a strongman and seeing him ride horses shirtless and poison journalists makes you feel warm inside.

VOR supporting Putin - lock people away forever for marijuana - typical Republiturd extremist standpoint. This is who we are fighting = Russians and the GOP who hold the same extremist viewpoints as a dictator. Still not getting why the Trumplicans love dictators - but it makes sense why they promote the Big Lie.....

VOR policing the world - arbiter of the right.

VOR: I should have used the word "detained" rather than jailed:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has determined that WNBA star Brittney Griner is being wrongfully detained in Russia, meaning the United States will more aggressively work to secure her release even as the legal case against her plays out, the State Department said Tuesday."

Personally, I cannot belive she decided to smuggle 50 hashish vape cartridges into Russia. I suppose she may have thought that she did not have to follow the law. I assume that she is learning that the rules do apply to her, at least in Russia.

Wrongfully jailed? Britney did break the drug laws of a foreign country she was in.

Right wing talking points are deeply dishonest. We fought a civil war over whether state legislatures should be able to deprive people of their civil rights, and one of the consequences was the Fourteenth Amendment, which the right wing ideologues dismiss with their phony "originalist" doctrine. Regressive misogynist throwback Joseph Alito notes that women and their issues aren't mentioned in that Amendment and weren't on the minds of those who drafted it--funny thing, since they were all men--women had no vote or say. For Alito and anon here, that's as it should be.

And these red state legislatures with their gerrymandering and voter suppression are not "the people" and do not represent "the people", the great majority of whom oppose their policies.

So individual voters can now control my body?

Now give me your kidney. I need it.

Anonymous posters that want to argue.....

Tell that to all the states with trigger laws.

Regardless of your feelings on the matter you’re incorrect, it was something granted by an unelected body on shaky legal grounds and now has been given to the citizens, individual voters, NOT the state government.