Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

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This article has been updated with photos from Friday's vigil in the above slideshow. All photos are provided by Shapiro Photo.

 


By edhat staff
June 24, 2022

Planned Parenthood California Central Coast is hosting a "Vigil for Roe" at the Santa Barbara County Courthouse Friday at 5:30 p.m. following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the landmark abortion rights case. 

"We hope you'll join us in solidarity," the nonprofit women's clinic posted on social media.

A draft of the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Mississippi's law limiting abortions at 15 weeks was leaked last month. Hundreds of protestors gathered at De La Guerra Plaza on May 3 for the nationwide "Bans Off Our Bodies" movement in response to the court's proposed decision.

The final decision was released from the Supreme Court on Friday, effectively overturning the nearly 50-year precedent granting women protection of their own reproductive rights.

Planned Parenthood health centers in California will continue to provide care and resources, including abortions due to state law.

"We believe all people — no matter where they live — should have the right to control their own body, life, and future. It is unjust and unacceptable that people in some states have been robbed of that right, forced to overcome unjust barriers just to access to the abortion care they need and deserve," Planned Parenthood California Central Coast states on their website. "But know this: Planned Parenthood will keep fighting with everything we've got to provide patients with a full range of high-quality sexual and reproductive health services and education so that all people get to determine the course of their own life. Because Planned Parenthood stands for care."

Vigils will also be held in San Luis Obispo and Ventura. 

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sacjon Jun 27, 2022 06:04 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

"Sac, I think we have a great learning opportunity here." - You're right! We've all just learned you are unable to answer a question without deflecting and that you never read either pieces of legislation.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 05:58 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

"Even though the bill doesn't actually say 'gay' " - Lol! What do you think they're talking about when they say "sexual orientation?"

Dude, the exact language of the the PRE says what I am concerned about. I don't need to perform (and fail at) logical gymnastics to be concerned with the language "prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity" (PRE preamble) and "instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity" (1001.42 (8)(3))

You are inventing and fabrication both the intent AND language of the WHPA. I did not need to do the same for the PRE, as both the language AND intent are CLEAR and unambiguous.

Nice try with the whataboutism, but you missed the mark..... by a lot.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 05:49 PM
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VOICE - what about answering the question I asked instead of dodging it? What is the intent of the WHPA? I'll tell you: to codify Roe v Wade and make abortion a federally protected right. Nowhere in the language does it say post-viability abortions are allowed for "any reason."

Voice of Reason Jun 27, 2022 05:38 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Sac, I think we have a great learning opportunity here. Take the exact same thought process you used below on the Women's Healthcare Protection Act, and it's actual language vs. intent, now apply it to the Parental Rights in Education Act. You remember that one as you talked about it a lot. Oh, you kept referring to it as the "Don't Say Gay Bill". Remember? Even though the bill doesn't actually say 'gay' and your grave concern was the language was too broad and can be used to discriminate against LGBTQ even though the langue of the bill contained nothing of the sort? So.... are you applying the same standard to both situations or are you using different standards?

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 03:10 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

3:00 - NONE of that is true.
"The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable." - where does it say that?

"The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk)." - Flat out WRONG. It says right in the statute no restrictions on post-viability abortions if they "pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health."

Again, the statement that abortions would have been allowed for ANY reason is WRONG.

Here's a hint: stay away from absolute when "interpreting" statutory language.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 03:03 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

"These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability." Yeah, you keep saying that VOICE (we all know it's you) but that is NOT the same as saying "abortions would have been allowed for ANY reason."

Problem here is, you make claims that aren't true and then scramble to defend them once you're called out, yet at the same time demand others to do what you won't do.

You are parroting right wing extremist propaganda and that's it.

a-1656367248 Jun 27, 2022 03:00 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

The WHPA defines “health care provider” broadly; the term is not limited to physicians. The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable. The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk). The abortion must be allowed if, in the provider’s good faith judgment, there is any risk, whether physical or mental, however insignificant or remote the risk. These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 02:53 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Still waiting...... where does it say it will ""allow abortion up until birth for any reason?"

Saying nothing and ignoring the fact you've been once again proven wrong is the same as saying "it doesn't."

Chevy67 Jun 27, 2022 12:58 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

@Voice - abortion up until birth is not a thing. Please stop spreading misinformation. And don't even dare trying to come up with some anecdote of one instance on an obscure website.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 12:05 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

11:58 - OK, so show us where it says it will "allow abortion up until birth for any reason." Your grasping here and making assumptions on interpretation of a bill that was never passed.

a-1656356298 Jun 27, 2022 11:58 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Post-viability abortions would be allowed (under WHPA) nationwide without meaningful limitation. Under the WHPA, such abortions would require only the “good-faith” medical judgment of a health care provider that “continuation of pregnancy” would pose “a risk” to the pregnant woman’s “life or health.” The WHPA defines “health care provider” broadly; the term is not limited to physicians. The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable. The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk, only that the provider make a good faith judgment that continuation of pregnancy would pose such a risk). The abortion must be allowed if, in the provider’s good faith judgment, there is any risk, whether physical or mental, however insignificant or remote the risk. These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 11:32 AM
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VOICE at 11:17 - "which would allow abortion up until birth for any reason" - That is absolutely WRONG and INCORRECT. Funny how you always snap at others for listening to the media and not actually doing the work to see what the legislation says. Show us where it says it would have allowed such abortions. Provide the statutory language.

Oh wait, I'll do your work for you, again:

"(a) General Rule.—A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements:
.....

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health."

Let me help with the legalese for you... That means that a doctor can perform post-viability abortion ONLY if continuing the pregnancy would harm the mother.

Ok, your turn. Show us where it says something different. Until then, please retract your verifiable lie about the legislation.

a-1656353820 Jun 27, 2022 11:17 AM
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The point is, the politicians continue to prove they only care about using this issue to fund raise and rile up their supports than actually address the issue. Ask yourself wht just a month or so ago they tried to push through Women's Health Protection Act - which would allow abortion up until birth for any reason - something the rest of the world, Europe and nearly every state finds very extreme and don't agree with. If they wanted to actually get legislation passed they would have written the legislation to better align with 70+% our country - safe and available early-term, rare exceptions for late-term.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 10:14 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

10:03 - what's your point? Biden's statement reflects the thoughts of the majority of us liberals. We don't want abortions to become birth control. We realize the pain and emotional trauma involved with the decision to do this. We want less abortions, but we demand women have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

a-1656349525 Jun 27, 2022 10:05 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

As long as both parties acquiesce to their extreme yet vocal minorities - life begins at conception and abortion up until birth for any reason - we will never find common ground, even though that is where the majority of us are.

a-1656349400 Jun 27, 2022 10:03 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

"I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it’s always a tragedy, and I think that it should be rare and safe, and I think we should be focusing on how to limit the number of abortions. There ought to be able to have a common ground and consensus as to do that" - Joe Biden 2006

a-1656347205 Jun 27, 2022 09:26 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Voting (in CA) isn't going to do anything as they have shown over the past 40 years they have no interest in legislating abortion rights at the federal level. It is now up to each states voters to determine their own fate.

a-1656297615 Jun 26, 2022 07:40 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

I used to think such stuff was "nice." But What do petitions do?! Contribute to get out the vote efforts with money and communications, from emails and calls to door to door contact. Follow up asking if people have voted. Drive them to the polls.
Look what Stacey Abrams accomplished in GA.

Alexblue Jun 28, 2022 11:03 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

LETMEGO, and also let's recognize the Draconian intent of the various states--in Missouri, based on the language, a woman could literally be prosecuted for making a plan with another person or health provider to leave the state in order to secure an abortion in a different state.

They won't stop with the right to abortion in their own states, they want to take away a whole bunch of rights.

MarcelK Jun 28, 2022 02:53 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

"And abortions are not banned."

As a result of this SCOTUS ruling, they are now banned in many states.

A hallmark characteristic of the right wing is fundamental dishonesty.

letmego Jun 27, 2022 09:41 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

They are banned, completely, in some states. Including for ectopic pregnancies. And what about spontaneous abortions? I've had two...get used to being arrested/ investigated for murder.

sacjon Jun 27, 2022 09:28 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

SBLETSGETALONG - "And abortions are not banned." - That is a flat out lie. Since Friday, abortions are banned/illegal now in the following states: Texas, OK, Louisiana, South Dakota, and Kentucky.

Educate yourself please. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695

SBSand Jun 25, 2022 09:11 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Abortion is still legal in CA and in other states that have the legislature allowing it. States need to STEP UP and create laws that protect against wayward presidents and SCOTUS decisions. We are over here being indignant, while still having rights. Us lucky Californians who have been so far removed from so many bad things in the country, in our bubble. I am a happy member of the privileged bubble so am not complaining about that but we do have serious privileges here that others do not have. Easy for us to get on our soapbox when we have grown up in a different culture here on the west coast, than our neighbors in the bible belt and deep south.

MarcelK Jun 28, 2022 02:51 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

There will be a proposition to add the right to an abortion to the CA constitution in November ... please vote for it. Hopefully it will withstand the federal onslaught that the GOP is planning for when they take control of the federal government.

a-1656310245 Jun 26, 2022 11:10 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Agreed. But many of us ARE aware. And have given hundreds of dollars to Nat'.l Network of Abortion Funds:

https://abortionfunds.org/

https://donate.abortionfunds.org/give/323375/#!/donation/checkout

biguglystick Jun 25, 2022 08:45 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

I cannot believe that this is where we are in our country in 2022. Abortion is essential healthcare. Abortion is a fundamental right that we have enjoyed for 50 years. Now our daughters and grandaughters have LESS rights than we had. This is INSANITY. Minority fringe rule. The SCOTUS has just announced that in this country women are second class citizens that have no constitutional rights to govern their own body and reproductive rights. It's INSANE. The whole world has reacted to this, and it's NOT A GOOD LOOK, AMERICA!!! I'm gutted, heartsick and FURIOUS!!! This will not stand!! We will FIGHT. WE WILL NOT GO BACK!

a-1656133655 Jun 24, 2022 10:07 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

I have grave concerns about women who have more than one abortion. But I support that.

We need to champion and fund SEX EDUCATION, starting in grade school!

and FREE BIRTH CONTROL!

And pre-and post- natal health and food and other support.

a-1656402616 Jun 28, 2022 12:50 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

I went as far as a colposcopy at PP, grateful I didn't need a LEEP.

Talk about the best, most experienced doctors and other clinicians!

(Loop electrosurgical excision procedure (LEEP) uses a wire loop heated by electric current to remove cells and tissue in a woman's lower genital tract. It is used as part of the diagnosis and treatment for abnormal or cancerous conditions. The lower genital tract includes the cervix and vagina.)

letmego Jun 27, 2022 09:44 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

I escorted my college roommate to the clinic for a checkup after one of her abortions. I've donated to PP, purchased pregnancy tests. Fun fact, in the 1990s my sister was too poor and didn't have health insurance, so she got her cancer treatment and PRE-NATAL CARE at PP.

a-1656312322 Jun 26, 2022 11:45 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

How many men insisted on STD panels before having sex with their new interest/partner? How many men brought up birth control before sex; before their partner did? How many men paid for and supplied and had available forms of birth control when the moment arrived?
How many men even ever had the conversation?!

Sadly, in my experience of of over 40 years, my answer is ONE.

a-1656311902 Jun 26, 2022 11:38 PM
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Think abougt what you've actually done. How many actions, how many dollars?
How many STD and pregnancy tests have you paid for? How many times have you escorted someone to clinic for whatever purpose? How many abortions have you paid for and accompanied the patient to?
Me? Two friends' abortions, and thousands of dollars over the years of donations, to PP and NNAF (abortion funds).

a-1656310858 Jun 26, 2022 11:20 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

To the males who responded to my 6/24 10:07 p.m. post:

I'm female. I had an abortion in the early 80's, in college. My birth control; my use of it, failed. A woman in the recovery room with me had just had her third abortion. That struck me as irresponsible. I never took a chance on it again, went back from mechanical onto hormonal birth control and got a tubal ligation ASAP.
Women can only look out for themselves; no one can trust anyone else with something so important.
About 10 years later I started working at Planned Parenthood here in town. NO ONE left without birth control counseling, not a birth control, STD or abortion patient, not even a high schooler who participated our education programs (with permission if anyone's worried). And yes, the education is/was non-judgmental. We provided all sexual health services, to males and females. No one can make a woman use birth control. We sure can make it easy for us though!\
Yes, I believe my female, involved experience is a little different than any males. Thank you for supporting women and reproductive health and freedom!

Bird Jun 27, 2022 01:11 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Why wasn't it fixed? Probably because there was a lot of concern, fear that the pro-lifers would demonize the would-be fixers and, as we see in recent elections, the loudest voices get the attention and often prevail.

GeneralTree Jun 26, 2022 06:14 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

You've fixed nothing. Under that same logic - interracial marriage can be illegal at the court's next whim. Or on a state's next whim. In vitro feralization, same sex marriage and contraception could all be kicked to the curb tomorrow. This terrorist Catholic court can rule on fetal personhood next and it is no longer a decision by the state.
People should read a little more if they think this is just a state's rights issue. The Far right evangelical Catholic minority has been working on this maniacal and tyrannical overthrow of government for the past 50 years. Terribly sad how so many people here support girls and women carrying the babies of rapists and those as a result of incest.

toot Jun 25, 2022 10:57 AM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Right. If "everyone has known roe vs wade was shaky," then why did Beer Kavanaugh state in his confirmation hearings that the decision has "been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years"?

Transparent Jun 24, 2022 06:48 PM
Vigil for Roe Held at Santa Barbara County Courthouse

Roe was/is very good policy and pragmatism, and it's overturning is a disastrous day. Disastrous on many levels. Roe was also clear legal activism with barely a thin thread of constitutional validity ... Am I the only one that can see both at once?

We are so divided on this issue because it is an ersatz discussion of the deepest tension of our republic, whether we actually trust each other as citizens and our democratically elected representative bodies. If we did fully, we wouldn't have needed a Bill of Rights. If we didn't fully, our republic would make no sense.

Take Obama's tweet today. He said that leaving this important and deeply divisive decision to elected state legislatures (rather than Supreme Court of 50 years ago) is equivalent to leaving the decision to the "whims of politicians and ideologues." I regret today's decision, but by that logic, how much should we curtail the power of local democracy when we disagree with it on deeply divisive matters? Apparently, state legislatures are politicians and ideologues. Yep, they are. The rub is that our courts are too..

Repeating. Roe was/is very good policy and pragmatism, and it's overturning is a disastrous day. Disastrous. Roe was also clear legal activism with barely a thin thread of constitutional validity. Am I the only one that can see both at once?

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