California Assembly Advances Gun Violence Prevention Package

killing off a cult is as accurate as "breaking up a cult."
Waco was a travesty and a crime. So was the 1985 bombing of MOVE.

VOICE - your link, well..... you do realize its about when the military was used to break up riots, right? These weren't attempts by the government to oppress or in any way attack the civilian population. But yeah, it is cool to play "soldier" in your bunker and get all prepped up for this imaginary assault by our own government.

Godspeed you Modern Day Minutemen!

Ukraine has a military force and standing militias. Further, it was attacked by other nations, not their own government. The government of the United States has never, ever, in its entire history come even close to attacking its own citizens. Further, we don't have a superior world power trying to make the US a subject of its monarchy. The "protection against the government" excuse is just fantastical dreaming.

Zero, EricL wasn't talking about one political party or the other in his "elitist" reference. Our founding fathers put the 2A amendment in so the citizens can protect themselves from the government, so while they had only muskets or similar at the time, so did the government (you can save the tanks, fighter jets, and bazooka, comments as in Ukraine and Iraq both proved an entrenched civilian population can't be stopped with with tanks and jets). Finally, holy cow wow, I simply can't fathom how after two years of Covid tyranny it's Trump you cite as the only time you think we've had a tyrannical government, MSM played you well.

SB93117 butthurt by someone's pride? 19 people were just gunned down. Most of them elementary school kids. I'm pretty butthurt by that and have kids in school. You have a problem with that??? Your post is callous, rude, insensitive and obnoxious.

BOOM....good point Sac.

EricL- Ok you really do have some solid points that can't be debated logically. I can't even come up with things to challenge you and I really want to, so I will agree with most of what you state, because it's fact. I don't agree with you politically for the most part, but yeah, there is no stopping this.
Now, you state this: "These infringements on the 2nd Amendment are a deliberate attempt by elitists that live in a bubble surrounded by armed security to remove the People's only protection from tyrannical governments.
****ok this i don't agree with. It's not just them, it's the other side too. Don't be fooled. It's a faux back n forth. The left stands up because this really has gone way too far. The right stands up, "don't take my guns!". Well your guns are murdering a lot of innocent people in the greatest nation on earth...and it is making it much less great and much less safer.
Tyranical governments. Frankly the only time in my life, i'm 51, that we have had a tyranical government was under Trump. Id even take "W" back in office over Trump. At least "W" tried his best.****

Yes, guns. Modern, up to date guns. Because our Founding Fathers didn't put the 2nd Amendment in to protect deer hunting, or skeet shooting, or even (believe it or not) personal self defense.
*****here is something and I'm sure you have heard it before, but for a reason. Our founding fathers did not pen this with assault rifles and semi automatic hand guns, ghost guns, 3D printing guns and armor piercing rounds too. When they penned this, a musket was the main weapon and their hand guns, do you know how long it took to load just one bullet? Think about that. Now we have allowed this to spiral out of control. If we were talking about old school rifles and a 6 shooter, it would make a LITTLE more sense.****
Law abiding citizens who follow these laws will be at the mercy of criminals who don't. And everyone here should remember how well "The War on Drugs" got us less drugs. How "The War on Terror" replaced the Taliban with the Taliban. "
*****Yes this is all true. Good guys and bad guys. But this fun fetish culture has allowed both to be armed to the teeth with assault weapons and battlefield quality firearms. That's way over the top. Gun manufacturers and right wingers get rich off of this. While people die and kids get murdered. This is not the time to defend guns. This is the greatest country on earth. This is also the only country this happens in.

"give peace a chance"? as you shout that from behind a barrel of a gun, hypocrazy at its best right here.

the constant battle of saying people are "stupid" and " blinded " and "dont know the facts" its the example of where this country is. internally. why are we fighting each other like this, its obvious that this is a problem yet some wont open their eyes to see it. wont change the page to make a worthwhile change.

to EVERYONE shouting about "Tyrannical" things and protecting yourself from it.

when was the last time that happened? when was the last time you have to "take up arms" and protect the country from this? never.... so stop saying thats what we need them for!

SB93117 - I see now the timeline has been once again revised and the 2 border patrol agents never happened. STILL.... look at all the other times "responsible adults" who were there and armed failed to stop the shooters: Parkland, Buffalo, and many more.

SB93117 - "had a responsible adult at Robb Elementary been carrying a weapon (maybe even the teacher) we'd have 19 children to tell the story of how their hero teacher stopped a madman from doing harm." - were the armed 2 border patrol agents who tried to stop him but were shot not "responsible adults....carrying a weapon?"

ERICL...FINALLY! An intelligent answer not based on someone's buxxhurt pride. Can I write buxx here? lol I would only add that, had a responsible adult at Robb Elementary been carrying a weapon (maybe even the teacher) we'd have 19 children to tell the story of how their hero teacher stopped a madman from doing harm.

I saw a photo recently of a sign with LARGE letters posted at a school entrance that read, "ATTENTION: The staff at EARLY ISD is armed and may use whatever force is necessary to protect OUR STUDENTS."

If schools were protected, responsible adults were able to carry (yes, with training and safeguards, etc.) then I believe we would see less tragedies like this in schools. So, ERICL, GREAT post, right on target!

Accurate, and thank you for saying what many are thinking but too afraid of the wrath from the likes of the regular shills here.

Did you read up on the potential side effects of SSRI's and the FDA black box warning before commenting, as I recommended? Doesn't sound like you did....

WHAT?! You clearly don't understand what I'm talking about with the "it's not 100% effective so let's not do it" thing.

My question about medications was directed toward your comment saying you never said "over-prescribed." The reason for my comment was to call it out and ask what you meant then by even bringing up prescription meds. If they're a (not the) cause (as you said) of mass shootings, then I'm asking if you think we should stop giving people meds. Why am I walking you through this..... ?

How do you get this:" So, we shouldn't give people suffering from mental health and medications? " from my comments? This is more of that if it's not 100% so we shouldn't do it flip floppy stuff.

VOICE at 8:58 - "Take a young boy ..... give him some prescription medication...."

1) So, we shouldn't give people suffering from mental health and medications? The right wing mantra (espoused by SAIL or CHIP or both, I don't remember) is that the killers are being prescribed mental health meds unnecessarily (ie, over prescribed). Is that not what you're saying? If not, then just remove the "over" from my comment.

2) I never said you said it "caused shootings", I said "You claimed it is a cause." A cause, as in "certainly a factor" (VOICE at 10:56am)

I never said over-prescribed (don't you call that... a lie?) and also never claimed it caused, but is certainly a factor in, incidents of violence including mass shootings. If you aren't aware of the FDA black box warning and potential side effects of SSRI's including violence and suicide, particularly in already troubled individuals, both while taking it or abruptly stopping in, you need to do some reading before you continue running your mouth here. https://www.psychreg.org/antidepressants-ssri-mass-shootings/

VOICE - I also asked "what other" shooters were found to be over prescribed meds? You claimed it is a cause of mass shootings. I'm asking which ones. Super simple, nothing to evade here. You make the claim, you support it.

Sac, that's because you are asking a logical, intelligence based question. They won't be able to understand or even respond. <3

VOR and you don't think your party is doing just that? man you really bring weak/lame arguments to the table. go back to work on this and come back after you do some reading and research.

Which comment are you replying to? 4:29 where I'm referring to the specific recent tragedy and did not mention medication, or the 8:58 comment where I'm clearly talking about school shooters in general?

VOICE - was this shooter being prescribed any meds? What other mass shooters were being prescribed meds unnecessarily? I've tried asking CHIP about this but he won't/can't answer.

Thank God you're here Voice to solve this super easy problem.

Still not much talk about WHY a barely 18 year-old would do this. Take a young boy, remove the father, sit him in front of a screen all day with endless content, social media and porn, no guidance or companionship, give him some prescription medication, isolate him - that's how you make a school shooter.

Sac - But we can all (probably) agree that if they didn't show up and engage the shooter, he presumably would have gone to other rooms and killed more people.

DUKE - yeah, I agree about defunding the police and removing SROs, but look at what happened with the cops the other day.... they didn't do squat.

Who buried their heads in the sand? I loudly champion gun control while also noting the need for police and the logic in having a resource officer on site when/where possible...

Madhatter - It's a two way street though. The far left needs to stop bringing things up like "defunding the police" or "getting rid of school resource officers" . We need to change our gun laws...that is absolute truth. But the argument that many made on here not too long ago about reducing our police's ability to respond and/or removing all police presence from schools is also wrong.

OMG MAdhatter nails it. I've said this time and time again and they just won't hear it. When you say this sentence to them, they immediately bury their heads in the sand and plug their ears.

Duke- I never said to get rid of security at schools. I said to stop bringing it up because I feel that people get so wrapped up in those other components that they fail to address the deadly main ingredient, which is the guns. Let’s focus on the guns. If we do better about the actual guns then maybe someday we won’t need security at schools. Perhaps we can do something about ammo. Everyone can own guns, but make the ammo purchasing like Sudafed. An ammo restriction might be more acceptable to those who want to own guns.

Madhatter - The idea to get rid of Security at schools is illogical. We need to wildly restrict guns...but taking away the Security presence makes no sense.

GC - That doesn't appear to be true. According to the (admittedly changing narrative) there was no resource officer on campus at the time and the first two police officers to arrive were both shot and wounded as they entered and then pulled back. The shooter killed everyone in the room they were in. So, explain to me...how would less (or no!) police have helped?

SAIL - where did I say anything about armed parents?

SACJON, Armed parents roaming the school grounds? Do you stay at your children's school all day? Most parents go to work while the children are attending school,

Ukraine has a military. Where is our "dormant militia?" Who is threatening to invade us?

SACJON, All you need to do is look at how little old Ukraine has been able to hold off Russia. Ukraine is the most firearm friendly county in Europe. See how the militia works? Dormant until called into action to defend the country.

"If articulating a reason that a constitutional right could be harmful to children was sufficient to invalidate it, then we could go ahead and void the entire bill of rights."

What kills more kids each day? Free speech? Assembly? Trial by jury? Freedom from cruel and unusual punishments? Not having soldiers quartered in their homes? Speedy trials? Due process? Which of these rights kill children every single day?

CHIP - "being armed empowers parents to protect their children." How'd that work out for those 19 kids yesterday? How about for EVERY. SINGLE. CHILD murdered at their school? Any parents with guns there helping out the other "good guys with guns?"

If articulating a reason that a constitutional right could be harmful to children was sufficient to invalidate it, then we could go ahead and void the entire bill of rights. In addition, being armed empowers parents to protect their children.

CHIP - what about these children's rights? Do you care as much about them as you do about your "gun rights?"

General, nothing can help those children. However, trying to leverage people’s emotional reactions to a tragic event in order to take away constitutionally protected rights is not helpful either.

CHIP - But wouldn't you agree that it's good that you can't go out and buy grenades at your local store, rocket launchers, machine guns, etc? And considering how many crazy people there are, wouldn't you agree that at least somewhat more stringently limiting who can buy guns (and what they can buy) is a good thing? Again, we (virtually) all agree that limits to the weapons people can buy is a good thing...so we do limit the 2nd amendment. All things (and facts) considered...how the hell is it possible to buy an AR-15 three years before your first M Special Greatland??? How is that reasonable, logical or sane?

How is this helping the 19 dead children Chip?

CHIP - I don't "prefer" to call them that, they're just not civil rights. You know, facts and such.

"widespread firearms ownership prevents that type of situation from occurring." - Are you seriously implying that the only reason America has never been overtaken by an "oppressive" government because some of us have guns? Hahaha! Wow, you are one of those. Gross. Hey, do you think the US Military can be defeated by you and your buddies? Do you guys have some battleships, fighter jets and tanks we don't know about? Good god that is hilarious.

Im not advocating for doing nothing. However, taking away civil rights, or civil liberties as sac prefers to call them, will not make us safer. Oppressive governments have murdered hundreds of millions of people over the years, and widespread firearms ownership prevents that type of situation from occurring. Oppressive governments and armed populations never coexist. In addition, owning a firearm gives people the means to protect themselves and their families in the event of a disaster, civil unrest, and other dangers. Being armed is the opposite of being helpless in a dangerous situation. To your point Alex, this nation was built by the founders who used their firearms to overthrow the oppressive government of king George III, and the founders believed an armed populace was crucial to preserving liberty. They did something, they wrote the second amendment.

So, Chip, your answer is doing nothing.

And that's how we built this great nation, right? By doing nothing.