Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

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By edhat staff

The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) is advising vaccinated Californians to continue wearing face masks indoors until June 15.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) released new guidance last week and stated vaccinated people no longer need to wear a mask or physically distance in any setting, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance. 

California is planning to implement these new CDC guidelines on June 15, the date when Governor Gavin Newsom plans to lift all COVID-19 restrictions for the state. California Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly stated this four-week period will give Californians time to prepare for the change while the state continues to focus on delivering vaccines, particularly in underserved communities.

“We urge all Californians to get vaccinated to ensure that infection and hospitalization rates remain low across the state and that we can all return to the activities we love. Until June 15, when California plans to fully reopen the economy, California will keep our existing guidance around masks in place," wrote Dr. Ghaly in a public statement.

Since May 3, face coverings have not been required for outdoor gatherings except at crowded events and for unvaccinated people when physical distancing cannot be maintained. In indoor settings outside of one's home including public transportation and schools, face coverings are required regardless of vaccination status," wrote Dr. Ghaly.

California has administered more than 34 million vaccines and is among the lowest case and positivity rates in the nation.

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Shasta Guy May 17, 2021 08:57 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Forcing vaccinated people to remain masked only perpetuates fear needlessly. If you are not vaccinated and you have comorbidities, then you should you should be very careful and think about getting vaccinated ASAP.

If you are vaccinated, your personal risk of Covid is dramatically diminished and your ability transmit Covid is basically nil. For the state of California to treat vaccinated people as the greatest threat to humanity is pointless and overbearing. There is little science from the state of California only raw political power to advance social agendas.

dukemunson May 19, 2021 09:58 AM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

I’m going to counter with a “We all lost” read aloud in morgan freeman’s voice from the night he thought Andy had taken his own life in the Shawshank...

Except pitmix!!!! Who was hoping for schools to stay closed till August!!! Didn’t get all schools, but quite a few are staying closed till August... despite anything and everything the cdc has said... so yes... “pitmix wins” must be read around in best James Earl Jones voice!

dukemunson May 19, 2021 08:21 AM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

GC - That is correct, which I noted multiple times, however when you actually look at the posted CDC numbers California's numbers are better simply due to the fact that we have less elderly. 95% of the people dying from COVID are the elderly...and Florida has drastically more elderly than California (per capita). So great...less per capita in California died...but more capita in every single age group died in California in Florida! Since we have millions more youth though, that, like the much less per capita Florida youth didn't die, it drops out per capita death rate below.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:54 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Here's the numbers on seniors over 65 in California and Florida (per 100k of that demographic)

California - 822.6 deaths per 100k for people over 65
Florida - 620.5 deaths per 100k for people over 65

California 65-74 year old deaths - 14494
Florida 65-74 deaths - 7324

California 75-84 deaths - 15669
Florida 75-84 deaths - 10,035

California 85 and older deaths - 16475
Florida 85 and older deaths - 9686

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

We had a higher death rate for the demographics that this actually effects...we just have less seniors. So...again...More Seniors (per 100k) of seniors died California than in Florida. MORE IN CALIFORNIA.

GeneralTree May 18, 2021 02:46 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

DUKE MUNSON - are you ok? You sound like you are busting a vein man. You are saying Florida "did" better than California on Covid. I disagree. If people on the outside of those homes had masked up and stayed home and followed all the rules - I believe your elderly numbers would be lower. If we had the same death rate - we would have 6,000 more deaths here in California. I believe it was you taunting the unemployment rate but not mentioning the budget windfall of California vs the budget deficit of Florida. . While unemployment rose sharply through much of 2020, millions of middle-class and high-wage workers were able to keep their jobs and work from home. Tax collections also rose after a strong stock market boosted capital gains earned by the state’s wealthiest taxpayers. Your numbers take nothing into account for the percentage of minorities effected, population densities, or other factors. Yet your Floridians cases are still much higher than California and the trend towards vaccination much lower. I think you are just angry.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:35 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

GeneralTree - Did you look at the numbers? Were you able to open the CDC website? Were you able to find the table that shows the breakdown on deaths? If not I copied and pasted it for you. You are right...less per 100k people died in California than Florida. When you take out the over 75 age group though, more (per 100k) died in California than Florida. And when you look at the (per 100k) of people over 75, more died in California than Florida. In essence, all the additional babies, toddlers, teenagers, millenialls, Gen Z'ers brought California's numbers down?

Is that something you can't understand...or? Here's an extreme example, which institution (f everyone get's sick) is going to have more deaths...an elementary school or a retirement home. With COVID it's truly brutal if you are over 75...and Florida has a lot more over 75 year olds!!

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:24 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Sac...you couldn't be more right. Arguing with Generaltree though is more akin to drive home from Vegas...it's painful, you feel lousy and your wondering what the heck you are doing with your life.

A lot of people on Edhat though seemed to think all the closures (school and businesses) were for the best...it's slightly hard to let go of how tough that year was for seemingly no purpose. The Covidiots wouldn't listen to logic or reason...

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:20 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

I'm certainly no economist...so...I'll defer to you on the state budget as that certainly is a win for California. That being said though...It just doesn't feel real or right as the unemployment numbers are much worse here and a lot of businesses are shuttered. I guess the wildly wealthy made a ton this year and paid a lot in taxes...wohoo!!!

sacjon May 18, 2021 02:17 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

You guys remind me of those movies of a bunch of dudes standing around a kitchen counter doing coke all night long "debating" over useless topics. Go to bed, get some sleep. Nobody cares anymore about who did better anymore. It's over. Go outside, take off your mask and step away from the pile on the counter.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:14 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

And how did I say it wasn't about the elderly? It's all about the elderly! That's who the 95% of people who have died of COVID are!!!! If you compare an elementary school with a retirement home, are you really going to conclude the elementary school did better because less people died. When you actually factor in age demographics California did worse than Florida...definitively.

GeneralTree May 18, 2021 02:08 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

But California’s state budget outlook is surprisingly robust. While unemployment rose sharply through much of 2020, millions of middle-class and high-wage workers were able to keep their jobs and work from home. Tax collections also rose after a strong stock market boosted capital gains earned by the state’s wealthiest taxpayers. While California is forecasting a state budget windfall, Florida is grappling with a state budget shortfall.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 02:07 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

GT - You do realize California had more deaths in the 75+ than California...right?

California 75-84 deaths - 15669
Florida 75-84 deaths - 10,035

California 85 and older deaths - 16475
Florida 85 and older deaths - 9686

And who is trivializing them?? COVID kills senior citizens at exponentially higher rates. The same percentage of the states population of the 75+ in California died as died in Florida...nothing we did helped or made a difference, unless you count being a wildly expensive place to retire and as such having less older people.

GeneralTree May 18, 2021 02:06 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Oh now he says it ebbs and flows. haha.
Duke according to you the numbers are about deaths - unless it comes to elderly? For every million residents of California, 1,385 Californians have died of COVID-19. But for every million residents of Florida, 1,538 Floridians have died of COVID-19. And for every million Californian residents, there have been about 91,000 confirmed coronavirus cases; for every million Floridian residents, there have been about 94,000 cases.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 01:59 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Sac - California has twice the population of Florida but nearly three times as many deaths in the 0-65 age demo...

Considering the unemployment rates and school closure effects, it's pretty hard to say Florida didn't do the better job. Make sense?

dukemunson May 18, 2021 01:57 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

GT - The pandemic has ebbs and flows...you get that right? California and Florida have had peaks and valleys at the same times...and at differing times, often of late mirroring the various variants (see Michigan not too long ago). California is at 39% vaccinated to Florida's 36%...so sure...there is a win for California. The metrics that matter though are hospitalizations and deaths and ultimately by total number...right?

sacjon May 18, 2021 01:45 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

VOR - not a change of tune, it's more that you never read my comments with much critical ability. I have from the get go condemned what the schools have done. Further, and more importantly to this point, I have never said CA was handling this better. It has consistently been my position that FL is not the beacon of COVID success you have made it out to be. I can say Florida is doing a poor job while at the same time saying CA did a poor job (with 20/20 hindsight of course). I will not though, say FL did/is doing a better job than CA though. Make sense?

dukemunson May 18, 2021 01:30 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Generaltree - I know you wont go to the CDC for numbers, but again, here it is:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

You are so blinded by misinformation that you cant take a step back and look that all those domestic terrorists in Florida with their schools being open all year and theme parks open all year and what not actually did better than California in terms of deaths over the last 14 months.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 01:28 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Except...they didn't! Florida's policies led to no additional burden. In fact, a lower percentage of their over 75 residents died than in California...they just have a proportionally much higher number of people over 75. So...California accomplished nothing except steal a year of school from our kids and nearly lead in the country in unemployment rate...win-win-win!

GeneralTree May 18, 2021 01:28 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Yesterday Florida had 1,976 new Covid Cases and California had 1,391

The 7 day average for Floirda is 3,125 and while the 7 day average for California is 1,522

All with California having twice the population.

Is this because Florida is doing better than California - or is this because of the misinformed anti-vaxxers?

Voice of Reason May 18, 2021 01:26 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Sac that's a change of tune from your prior comments but we're glad to have you on board in realizing CA would be in nearly the exact same spot without closing schools, without losing the publics trust, without destroying our economy, without forcing hundreds of thousands out of job, and without closing down thousands of small businesses that will never reopen.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 01:25 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Sac - Perhaps it wasn't you, but quite a few people on here have talked about how effective Newsome and California was with direct links and comparison to Florida. If you look at the numbers though, California didn't do better. And honestly, when you look at the numbers Florida actually DID better...they just had a much higher percentage of their population in the COVID age range where death is much more likely.

a-1621369030 May 18, 2021 01:17 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Looking at deaths is a measure of the resilience of the healthcare system in the face of asinine political decisions to open up. When they get overwhelmed, deaths go up even more than they would in the case of rising infections. Bravo to the healthcare systems in Florida and Texas that are being unnecessarily burdened by their state government policies.

sacjon May 18, 2021 01:16 PM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

DUKE - I never ever once said CA is doing better than Florida, ONLY that, contrary to you and VOR, Florida is not doing better than CA. Big difference! But now I'm really done with this. You should be too! Masks are off outside, businesses are open, kids in school, youth sports going full swing! Come one! Stop wallowing on the details now. Yeah, you might have to wear a mask inside some businesses for a few more weeks. Oh well, it's not that bad!

dukemunson May 18, 2021 11:45 AM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

GT - COVID killed older people at wildly disproportionate rates than younger people. Florida has a much higher population of older people. So if you actually care to look at the numbers, Florida did better than California...we just have a much lower percentage of people 75+.

GeneralTree May 18, 2021 11:40 AM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

If California had Florida’s death rate, roughly 6,000 more Californians would be dead from COVID-19, and tens of thousands of additional patients likely would have landed in already overburdened hospitals. And if Florida had California’s death rate, roughly 3,000 fewer Floridians would be dead from COVID-19.

dukemunson May 18, 2021 11:38 AM
Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

Sac - Look at deaths per 100k. California is at 158 (per 100k) and Florida is at 167 (per 100k). 95% of COVID deaths are of people over 55 years old.

Check out this graph from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

California deaths 0-17 year olds - 30
Florida deaths 0-17 year olds - 14

California deaths 18-29 - 348
Florida deaths 18-29 - 117

California 30-39 year old death - 1084
Florida 30-39 deaths - 317

California 40-49 year old deaths - 2805
Florida 40-49 year old deaths -911

California 50-64 year old deaths - 12862
Florida deaths 50-64 year olds - 4675

California 65-74 year old deaths - 14494
Florida 65-74 deaths - 7324

California 75-84 deaths - 15669
Florida 75-84 deaths - 10,035

California 85 and older deaths - 16475
Florida 85 and older deaths - 9686

When you break it down by age, Florida is quite simply doing better. Yes, they have half as many people...but look at the numbers!!! Florida has about 1/3 of the deaths of California in all age brackets until you get to the 65 to 74 when it's 1/2 the deaths. Considering Florida has 1.4 million people over the age of 75 (while California has 1.7 million), the percentages continue to tilt to Florida.

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