Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

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Source: Santa Barbara County Public Health Department

Santa Barbara County residents who are 16 years of age and older are able to make an appointment for the COVID-19 vaccine beginning today for Public Health Community Vaccination Clinics in Santa Maria happening this week administering the Pfizer vaccine.

Additionally, Lompoc Valley Medical Center will expand eligibility to all who qualify based on vaccine availabilty. Effective April 15, people  age 16 and older will also be eligible to schedule appointments at any of the participating pharmacies, hospitals, or health care providers as supply is available. These locations may be able to begin sooner, depending on availability of vaccines.

NOTE: Moderna vaccines are only available to those age 18 and older. Those age 16-17 are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine.  

County residents may begin scheduling appointments for the Public Health Community Vaccination Clinic located in Santa Maria at Allan Hancock College.

All eligible community members can sign up for a vaccine appointment by registering online at the Public Health website.

“We have reached a critical moment in our vaccination efforts where all groups able to receive the vaccine are now eligible at County Public Health Community Vaccination Clinics. Now is the time to encourage your family members, neighbors, coworkers to do their part and receive the vaccine as soon as they can."

-- Van Do-Reynoso, Ph.D., County Public Health Director

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ChemicalSuperFreak Apr 07, 2021 04:53 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

I should add, that while the M-W dictionary entry is not technically correct as written, it still actually agrees with my assertion that stannous is not the metal. A valence of two, means that there are only 2 electrons in the outer shell. Tin, the element, should have 4 electrons, which you can see on the periodic table. 4 - 2 = is an oxidation state of 2+, reflecting that it is missing two negative charged electrons. This is what I wrote initially, that stannous is the 2+ oxidation state of tin, which is definitely not metallic. So our little dictionary friend actually sabotaged their own argument with that cut and paste and didn't even realize it. Hilarious!

ChemicalSuperFreak Apr 07, 2021 04:26 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

You see kids, this is what happens to people who don't understand chemistry. They default to the Merriam-Webster dictionary for their scientific knowledge. As it turns out, the dictionary entry is incorrectly written, there and elsewhere, as they are conflating valence with oxidation state. Those entries were certainly not written by chemists.

The -ous/-ic designations are taught in high school chemistry and college general chemistry, pertain to oxidation states, and are related to the -ite/-ate designations. Valence pertains to electrons in the outmost orbitals, which for tin is 5s and 5p. Tin has two electrons in each of these orbitals. These are the orbitals where electrons are gained or lost, giving rise to different oxidation states and the possibility of bonding, either ionically, coordinate, or covalently. Two such oxidation states for tin are 2+ (stannous) and 4+ (stannic), among other possibilities. Metallic tin is elemental and has an effective oxidation state of 0. All other oxidation states are tin salts, oxides, etc. and could not possibly be pressed into a metallic foil.

For the record, I wrote the above paragraphs myself and didn't lazily cut and paste incorrect information from some webpage. You two should have some self-respect and stop embarrassing yourselves.

ChemicalSuperFreak Apr 07, 2021 02:29 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Wrong, again. Stannic refers to the +4 oxidation state, as in tin (IV) oxide, SnO2. Have a look at stannic oxide and let me know if that looks like metallic tin foil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin(IV)_oxide. Stannic oxide is as different from metallic tin as rust is from iron metal. Metallic tin may be obtained from stannic oxide (cassiterite) through reduction, which is achieved by heating the oxide in a furnace with carbon.

Voice of Reason Apr 07, 2021 04:04 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

3% more deaths per 100K while having a signfincitaly higher elderly population (to whom covid is much more lethal) could be called a wash or even in FL's favor depending on the demographics of the at-risk population. I simply don't understand how the covid stats can be nearly identical, with the drastically disparate responses between CA and FL, and people still support and defend CA's path. They have been wide open, kids in school, restaurants at full capacity, Disney World open, since September 2020! How many suicides could have been prevented if we followed Florida back in September? How many businesses would open and people employed? How much could we have minimized the largest increase in income and education inequality in CA's history?

Chip of SB Apr 07, 2021 03:48 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

There is a lot of discussion about florida, and to my mind it seems easy enough to compare COVID deaths in florida and california. Using the Johns Hopkins COVID map, california has had about 60,000 COVID deaths to date and florida has had about 33,800. California has a population of 40.3 million, and florida has a population of 22 million. I calculate that florida has had 153.6 deaths per hundred thousand population and california has had 148.9 deaths per hundred thousand. This indicates florida has about 3% more deaths per hundred thousand population than california. Someone else noted the proportions of Florida’s population over 65 and over 75 years old are significantly higher than in California’s population, so that could be a factor.

dukemunson Apr 07, 2021 03:07 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Sac - You have to reference time frame though...California has quite a few more total cases (and deaths) than Florida...per 100k though you are correct Florida is slightly higher. What about the age difference though? Much older population in Florida...which is big right regarding COVID? I know you want to bring it back to last 7 days...but humor me and look at full year. Obviously Florida and California have gone much different routes and have pretty similar outcomes. You can't deny that...right?????

dukemunson Apr 07, 2021 12:36 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Sac - It's slightly confusing as you are using the last 7 days as a stat but not stating that you are using the last 7 days (and in the body of your paragraph you quote VOR's praise of Florida over the last 12 months). Over the last 12 months California has had 3.7 million Covid cases and 60k deaths to Florida's 2.1 million cases and 33k deaths. When adjusted for population it's quite comparable...and when you add in Florida's older population a very credible argument can be made that Florida has done better than California regardless of how many less businesses have gone under and less schooling missed.

sacjon Apr 07, 2021 12:28 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

DUKE - FL has 24.5 cases per 100K in the past 7 days to CA's 6.5. THAT is almost FOUR TIMES what CA has. The reason that last 7 days is important, and really read here...... FL was open completely for spring break. It was completely OPEN and the whole world saw what "no restrictions" looks like. So, while even on a normal day, FL is worse than us, when they allow people to party like this and spike their numbers, it is proof positive that they are not handling the virus as well as you and VOR keep saying.

Voice of Reason Apr 07, 2021 12:26 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

I standby my prior comments, you're intentionally ignoring the data that shows the virus was going to run its course regardless of the restrictions each state put in place. If the restrictions don't clearly show a benefit (which they haven't) , for the extreme cost that came with them (a brutal cost both economically and on our overall wellness), then they shouldn't have been continued.

sacjon Apr 07, 2021 12:19 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

VOR - you're dodging like a 7th grader in PE class. Florida does not have "comparable covid rates," it has DOUBLE the rate with HALF the population of CA. Again, not talking about other states. You made it your mission to praise FL against CA for the past 12 months and once again, you're getting called out. So, that means that whatever Florida is doing is NOT GOOD. I really can't make this more simple for you.

Voice of Reason Apr 07, 2021 12:07 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Sac you continue to intentionally deviate from the point. All the numerous restrictions state governments have put in place have not had a measurable impact on controlling the spread. States that removed restrictions months ago (while providing information and support on how to keep themselves and their businesses/patrons safe) have comparable covid rates to states that still have heavy restrictions in place.

dukemunson Apr 07, 2021 11:46 AM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

SAC - California does have slightly lower numbers (9067 cases per 100k and 148 deaths) than Florida (9527 cases per 100k and 156 deaths), however when you factor in the much older population of Florida...I'd again (and still!) say Florida has done at least as well as California...and done so with everything open! Again, what do we know about COVID...it really REALLY hits you as you get older. 10% of Floridas population is over 75 (and 20% is over 65)...California though only has 5% of it's population over 75 (and 14.3% over 65).

So yes...Florida has had more cases and deaths (per 100k). But considering who is dying...that tips the scale pretty hard back the other way. So I get where you are saying that Florida hasn't "beaten" California...but when you take a step back...all things considered...they didn't do worse...AND THEY GOT A LOT MORE SCHOOL AND KIDS SPORTS GAMES/LEAGUES in over the last year!

sacjon Apr 07, 2021 10:46 AM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

VOR - according to the AP, FL is among the top FIVE, not 11. Also, a scientist, not Youtube or Sean Hannity, said the following: "In Florida, relaxed safeguards during a busy spring break season likely helped spread virus variants, said University of South Florida epidemiologist Jason Salemi. The state’s seven-day average of daily new infections has exceeded 5,400, an increase of 20% in the past two weeks."

Here, read for yourself: https://apnews.com/article/nearly-half-us-coronavirus-infections-come-from-5-states-53888dc78894cc76cb1bb50f8300f102

sacjon Apr 07, 2021 10:14 AM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

VOR - you truly are a joke. YOU have been bragging about and pretty much carrying on a love affair with the state of Florida for the past year. I'm not talking about the 11 states with higher numbers because YOU WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT FLORIDA! So, please spare me the holier than thou with the "critical thinking," as I'm calling you out about FLORIDA and FLORIDA only. Don't "whatabout" the other 11 states since NONE of them are CA.

Dude, you're flailing here.

Voice of Reason Apr 07, 2021 09:12 AM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Thank you for brining up FL Sac, a state with no restrictions since September and schools open in person this entire year. While their 7 day average is higher than CA, it is lower than at least 11 other states who still have severe restrictions in place like. How many months of data do you need in order to understand that government restrictions and the course the virus takes through a community are two independent things?

Chip of SB Apr 06, 2021 12:49 PM
Community Members 16 and Older Now Eligible for COVID-19 Vaccine at Public Health Vaccination Sites

Sac, the vaccines themselves could also help spawn a new more deadly virus. The vaccines may be effective in preventing severe cases of the virus, but if they are not 100% effective in stopping transmission we may end up having some major problems, namely ADE. Since the “experimental vaccines” have not been through the traditional 10-15 year trials process, we dont have years worth of data from animal testing or a small scale human trials to evaluate this possibility. I sure hope ADE does not become a problem with any of the experimental vaccines.

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