Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

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Governor Newsom has enacted a new statewide stay-at-home order when regional areas experience low levels of hospital capacity. 

Residents will be required to stay home for three weeks when the hospital's intensive care units (ICUs) reach below 15% capacity. 

Currently, no area of California meets this requirement but Newsom stated the state's health team projects many areas could reach the threshold by the end of the week with the majority shutting down this month.

"If we don't act now, our hospital system will be overwhelmed," said Newsom during a virtual press conference on Thursday.

The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) is dividing the state into five regions. San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, and Ventura counties all fall within the "Southern California" region. State health officials are expecting this region to hit the ICU threshold this week prompting a lockdown.

The lockdown would occur for three weeks, similar to lockdown orders in March. Bars, wineries, salons, and personal services would close. Restaurants would be required to close their on-site dining and could only serve takeout or delivery. 

Schools, however, would be allowed to stay open if they previously received a waiver. Retail would be reduced to 20% capacity and critical infrastructure would be allowed to remain open.

The other regions include the Bay Area, Greater Sacramento, San Joaquin Valley, and Northern California.

"The five regions that we have highlighted, most of these, four out of the five, we anticipate as early as the next day or two... will have reached that 15% or less ICU capacity," said Newsom.

This is a developing story.

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dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 08:26 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Why go anonymous? Does it distract (or detract) from your other posts... is it Embarrassment? Are you posting follow up posts to your posts to back them up? I get the fun/need for anonymity... (though of course Dukemunson is my birth name)... but why go anonymous when you (and everyone) already are anonymous ??? why does that button/option even exist?

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 07:42 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Right... distancing is best/safest! In the absence of it, or inability to do it, wear a mask. It was a really simple point... distance from other people in a pandemic is obviously the most important thing... and not going places where you would need a mask is ideal/safes. Not sure why you fought it for so long.... really really simple !!!

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 07:32 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

A follow up semi-unrelated question:

Why anonymous? We’re already on a (mostly) anonymous message board... are you so worried about your post that you really need to be anonymously anonymous? Or did you just recognize that you we’re going down a silly rabbit hole and didn’t want it known that you were (insert random Edhat handle) that still no one knows who you actually are?

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 07:29 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

This is true... but in my argument here with WENT ANONYMOUS OUT OF EMBARRASSMENT OF THEIR WEAK ARGUMENT... my couch alone/with my 5 and 8 year old is safer than a crowded bus, elevator, political rally, concert, night club, etc...

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 07:26 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I’ll accept the point about random capitalization ... I definitely love the random large C or Q... I’ve always found that it really compliments MY excessive Punctuation!!!!

Your original post said that Masks were the most important thing. I corrected you, as obviously distance is more important. For some reason (I’m still guessing humor and/or strong weed) you doubled down.. convinced somehow that masks are more important than distance. There is absolutely no logical argument to be made that masks are more important than distance. You MISSED THE FORREST FOR TGE TREES my good man/woman/random sequence of numbers!!! The point of masks are for WHEN YOU CANT DISTANCE!!! If we could all completely distance... we’d be safe! Since we can’t... then... DISTANCE WHENEVER YOU CAN!!! But when you have to be around people, yeah wear a mask...it’s helpful and important! But, and again this is painfully obvious, the most important thing is distance. It’s the reason we are kind of down on massive rallies and concerts and night clubs...even with masks, they are obviously less safe then those people just ya know....not being at said stadium, event or gathering.

macpuzl Dec 04, 2020 07:21 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Your couch might not be so safe, depending on how well your family has been following health protocols.
"Masks are critical to stopping coronavirus spread, even at home, CDC says."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/health/cdc-coronavirus-guidelines-masks-distancing/index.html

a-1607135641 Dec 04, 2020 06:34 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Your original postulate was that the CDC was promoting distancing as the most important factor, without any supporting evidence. When you were shown to be in error, you started flailing around with strawman statements and resorting to random capitalization. Fail.

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 06:33 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I’m back to being convinced this is good humor... good job Not breaking character... tough to do!!! I’m mask less on my couch Right now while many someone’s (many somewheres) are on crowded buses with masks... I’m living dangerously compared to them right now!!!!

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 06:27 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

What dead end??? The quote about most important tool? Your argument is akin t o saying that it’s Better and safer to be in a car accident while wearing a seat Belt, than to have not been in the car at all and just sitting at home watching a movie. It’s sheer nonsense!!!! Obviously (OBVIOUSLY!!!!!) not being around people is safer than being around people whilst in a mask. What part of that are you struggling with? What possible way can you not understand that? This is fundamental... easy... and quite basic.

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 05:58 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Just so I’m 100% understanding you:

10 cent mask in a crowded elevator is safer than sitting at home Or taking a walk where there isn’t anyone around? I’m glad you are enjoying cali’s finest cash crop... but maybe lay off the trip weed!!!

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 05:35 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Wait... you mean you were being serious??!! So... You think wearing a mask is more important than distancing? If given the choice between being nowhere near anyone (but maskless) and being around lots of people (but in a mask)... the mask is the safer/better option????

You’ve confused a “narrative” question with a “logic” question. It’s simple and obvious logic, staying away from people is the best, safest and most important course of action .. when you can’t do that (the best and most important thing)... then wear a mask and wash your hands. Let’s also add in “use your head”... and while we’re at it maybe double check the strap on your mask... it’s too tight... it’s impairing your ability to think!!!!!!

a-1607131472 Dec 04, 2020 05:24 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I'm glad you had early access to the vaccine. The rest of the world, however, is still waiting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/05/coronavirus-misinformation-facts/
To lift a pertinent quote:
"Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified before the Senate in September that masks are “the most important, powerful public health tool we have” for combating the pandemic."

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 05:11 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I honestly can’t tell if this is you being funny, or serious... help me out... are you joking or do you honestly think this? The cdc listed things in the article you cite..it’s obviously not a ranking by importance. They have “vaccine” listed last. If you Have the option of distance that’s obviously best! That’s why, when possible, they are recommending to work remotely instead of in the office in masks. This is because - drum roll - distance is obviously key!!! So yeah... if you were joking and I missed it, my bad.. good (very subtle!!!) humor that was beyond my Long/weird/bad work weeks mind to immediately recognize. (Nice touch with the CDC link!!!)

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 04:43 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

To make an obvious and pertinent point: THE OBVIOUS MAIN THING IS DISTANCE!!! Every article on the CDC website urges distance.. the more distance the better! So to recap: Masks are good.. helpful... not being near or around strangers though ... OBVIOUSLY BETTER!

a-1607127281 Dec 04, 2020 04:14 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949e2.htm?s_cid=mm6949e2_w

To lift a pertinent paragraph:

"Recommended Public Health Strategies
Universal use of face masks. Consistent and correct use of face masks is a public health strategy critical to reducing respiratory transmission of SARS-CoV-2, particularly in light of estimates that approximately one half of new infections are transmitted by persons who have no symptoms (2,3). Compelling evidence now supports the benefits of cloth face masks for both source control (to protect others) and, to a lesser extent, protection of the wearer.† To preserve the supply of N95 respirators for health care workers and other medical first responders, CDC recommends nonvalved, multilayer cloth masks or nonmedical disposable masks for community use.§ Face mask use is most important in indoor spaces and outdoors when physical distance of ≥6 feet cannot be maintained. Within households, face masks should be used when a member of the household is infected or has had recent potential COVID-19 exposure (e.g., known close contact or potential exposure related to occupation, crowded public settings, travel, or nonhousehold members in your house). A community-level plan for distribution of face masks to specific populations, such as those who might experience barriers to access, should be developed (Table)."

sacjon Dec 04, 2020 04:09 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

VOR - Damn, I was just about to blame Trump and call you a wingnut, haha kidding! Yeah, I do appreciate the civil discourse. I would be interested though to see just how many people who are diligent in safety have caught it. All the people I know that got it, well they were asking for it we'll just say. I imagine a lot of people who wear masks that get it, were infected the rare time they had no mask on or got too close. We all drop our guard at one point or another.

Voice of Reason Dec 04, 2020 04:02 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I've seen that fact check too and that only "corrects" that he's since changed his mind. If they worked more than a nominal amount people who always wear masks shouldn't be getting the virus, because they're being "safe" and staying away from those darn mask wearers. But everyone is getting it no matter how careful they are, there is something else at work here. It is easy to blame those not distancing or wearing masks but then why are even the very diligent/safe getting sick? And all the "rules" being imposed merely restrict rule abiding businesses and patrons. Akin to gun control failing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You can't legislate compliance just like you can't legislate morality. People have to want to comply and you'll never gain that by the punitive and arbitrary actions out state is taking. BTW, thanks Sac, it's nice to have a back and forth without the name calling or bringing Trump into it.

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 03:57 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Nope...distance is. Because you can generally control distance from people in most of the settings we find ourselves in these days...and masks, while helpful, are much less than 100% effective. Obviously...distance is the most helpful measure. And if you cant maintain some distance, then yeah...wear a mask.

sacjon Dec 04, 2020 03:49 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

VOR - I see what you mean, and I agree our communities should be left to do this on our own.... BUT there are too many people who outright refuse to wear masks or do any sort of distancing. Because of their selfishness, the rest of us are suffering. It is now up to leaders to impose rules and I'm fine with that. I feel in no way my rights are being violated.

As for Fauci, I disagree - he (and ALL the world's experts) have learned a great deal. Specifically, regarding the transmission of the virus. "When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don’t know they’re infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks,” Fauci told O’Donnell. (https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507728-fauci-has-no-regrets-about-advising-against)

As for your quote from Fauci earlier, see: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR

Basically, I (as well as the medical experts in the articles I've cited) think you're wrong about there being no new knowledge that would change the tone on mask wearing.

Voice of Reason Dec 04, 2020 03:35 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Sac, there is not much new he could have learned about covid between making that statement then and now, asymptotic spreaders were known then. Actually, new and important information learned since is that them mortality rate isn't 3% but closer to .3% if we isolate the elderly and at risk. (We went into the first lockdown thinking 3% will die, yet we're about to do it again knowing it's more like .3% ?). To your 2nd question, no Fauci does not believe mask are useless, but why they are now useful is psychological, more a symbol of what we're going through and to provide many with a feeling of safety and control over their lives (however illusory). I want to be very clear Sac, I have never claimed, nor do I now, that we're ready to pack shoulder to shoulder concerts and packed bars (indoors). It is very possible to be #beatthevirus, and against lockdowns governmental overreach. Myself and many others think our own communities are perfectly capable of managing this on our own, but that would mean we don't really need our politicians to get us through a crisis so here we are.

sacjon Dec 04, 2020 02:29 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

VOR - I don't care what his position was "for decades," I'm only interested in what it is now, after all we've learned over the last 10 months. And no, he didn't change his opinion on masks because of "politics," it was because he (and the world) learned more about the virus as it spread. That's called "science." Now, does Fauci believe masks are still useless, yes or no? Your assertion is that he does think so, now back that up with current sources.

Voice of Reason Dec 04, 2020 02:21 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Sac, yes that was his position for decades, even wrote an article about their ineffectiveness for coronaviruses, and made the no mask comment after asymptomatic spread was already known. He only changed position when politics go involved. If you believe for one second that he didn't recommend people where flimsy cloth or paper masks from the beginning because of the PPE shortage (which is far from flimsy cloth or paper masks) I have a bridge to sell you. If you do believe it, then you're acknowledging the preeminent epidemiologist in the USA knowingly deceived the American people. If you're okay with the ends justifying the means, then you must not have been one of the people up in arms about Trump downplaying the virus early on so people wouldn't panic (which they did anyway). I know GeneralTree was up in arms about it but doesn't seem have an issue with Fauci...

GeneralTree Dec 04, 2020 01:03 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Voice of Treason never gives all of the story - and only the charged political parts that fit her far right ideology. "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people," Fauci told O'Donnell. "When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing."

Voice of Reason Dec 04, 2020 12:40 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

12:21 from the Great Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”------nothing new was uncovered about covid from when he made this quote, but the politics certainly changed. The "science" behind changing his opinion is psychology, not epidemiology. I think in the future it will come out that covid-19 is airborne, for which cloth/paper masks are useless, and would explain why cases are soaring even with widespread masks use.

a-1607114360 Dec 04, 2020 12:39 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Duke of course, no need to wear masks where not required (beach, hiking, etc). I'm talking about people who refuse to wear them indoors when close to others, at stores, and other times when masks are considered helpful and in some cases, required by law.

dukemunson Dec 04, 2020 12:34 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

12:21 - But there also needs to be a limit to mask mandates. I'm all in for masks inside and public places, but your comment lacks nuance as there are times (running, going to the beach or a hike, etc) where I think wearing a mask is asinine. Does that make me anti mask? Seems like there is a bit of crazy on both sides...

a-1607113285 Dec 04, 2020 12:21 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

VOICE when you refuse to wear a mask, you are "anti-mask" regardless of your reasoning. I know anti-mask people here in town and they truly believe that not only are masks useless, but they will actually harm them. This belief is rooted in conspiracy theory, not necessarily anti-overreach values. Either way, refusing to wear a mask is asinine, selfish and dangerous. People like that are a threat to public health, again.... regardless of their intentions.

Voice of Reason Dec 04, 2020 12:03 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

Pit, they aren't anti-mask / anti-restrictions, they're anti-government overreach and the turning over of personally responsibility for the government to handle. The government messes up most things it touches, and things it does well costs an exorbitant amount of money, we don't need the government to micro manage our lives.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 03, 2020 08:08 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

I wonder if Chancellor Yang is going to continue with his plan to open up UCSB housing to several thousand undergraduates this winter quarter. I guess it doesn't matter now, since Gov. French Laundry lumped 1/3 of the state into the Southern California Region, including SB and Mono counties. What the hell, Santa Barbara to Bridgeport is just a 411 mile, 6 hour drive. That makes sense.

Sbrysa Dec 03, 2020 07:56 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

If you’re able this year, please remember to support local. Many of us owners would do touch less free deliveries. I’m heartbroken we stocked up for Christmas only to be shut down but my heart also breaks for all the lost lives and the jobless, homeless. Be kind to one another we all have our battles right now. Let’s pray a 3 weeks shut down doesn’t turn into a 7 month one again.

jimbo212 Dec 03, 2020 05:24 PM
Governor Announces New Stay at Home Order Based on Hospitalizations

If we block 101 at Gaviota, 154 at San Marcos pass, 150 at Lake Casitas, and 101 at Rincon, would they exempt us from being lumped in with the rest of "Southern California"? How long do you think we would last before we started to run out of food?

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