Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

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On Tuesday a friend was walking through Ellwood in Goleta found a loaded short barrel AR-15 laying in the grass. He pulled out the magazine and took the round out of the chamber and carried it back to the car and waited for a Sheriff's Deputy to arrive. When the Deputy saw it he was shocked and said this gun is very illegal and there was some blood found on it.

I haven't seen this reported anywhere, does anyone have information?

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cwazny Oct 28, 2020 06:13 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Semper Fidelis doesn't mean having a blind allegiance to the government. "Always Faithful" pertains to Corps and Country. The government isn't the Country. Please know what you're talking about before you say anything.

dukemunson Oct 28, 2020 08:04 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Not at all! You (and we) get to keep arms... but in the same way that none of us should have machine guns or rocket launchers or grenades... well... none of us should have those things. That’s just kind of obvious... and true and... well.., yeah... obvious!!!!

cwazny Oct 29, 2020 01:41 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Who in Hell gets to have machine guns, rocket launchers and grenades? So, if the main thrust of the 2nd Amendment is to protect ourselves from a tyrranical government, we should be able to do that only with revolvers and double barrel shotguns? Also, if some a-hole criminal busts into my house with an AR-15 (that he undoubtedly procured illegally), I'm supposed to meet him with far less firepower because YOU said so? I'm sorry, but HELL NO! You can have all of the shotguns and revolvers you'd like. Just don't tell me what you think I should have. As a reminder; the 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting or target shooting. I know that like always, you're not going to respond directly to my comments. You're just going to go off on some more anti-gun BS. Not surprising at all...

dukemunson Oct 29, 2020 02:14 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

I will respond as directly as possible (I do enjoy a good meander though...)

I left out a sentence in the previous post, I was saying that in the same way none of us should have machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, etc...none of us should have assault rifles and high capacity weapons. In essence, we pretty much all agree that it's OK to limit your ability to fight the government by not letting you have a rocket launcher or machine gun. I say "pretty much all agree" as it sounds like from your point of view your 2nd amendment right is being infringed by not being able to have a machine gun or anti aircraft missile launcher. But most people realize the common good in limiting the general populations access to mines and uzis. In the same vein, we can and should wildly expand that list to include your beloved AR-15.

The fact is, things have changed in the 230 years since the 2nd amendment was drafted. And we already do wildly limit your right to bear arms (you don't see too many 50 caliber guns on jeeps these days or grenades for sale at the store)...it's time though to wildly limit it a bit more.

Because the fact of the matter is, at this point, people with "government overthrowing" weapons are the threat to our society that our country needs to protect us from. Yeah, it might take 50-60 years for pretty much all of the A-hole criminals to run out of AR-15's...but wouldn't that be great when it does?! Our grandkids wouldn't have to worry about A-holes coming into their house with assault weapons... like not changing the clocks this weekend...that's a win-win for everyone!!!!

cwazny Nov 02, 2020 04:11 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

"it sounds like from your point of view your 2nd amendment right is being infringed by not being able to have a machine gun or anti aircraft missile launcher". When the Hell did I say that? "Yeah, it might take 50-60 years for pretty much all of the A-hole criminals to run out of AR-15's...but wouldn't that be great when it does?!" What? How many crimes are committed with AR-15s, or any rifle for that matter? The majority of crimes are committed with pistols. After 50-60 years, I guess these weapons are just going to turn into dust? Huh?

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:18 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Your argument seems to be that you need Guns and it’s your right to have guns to fight off the government . So, by extension don’t you think you should have access to bigger and better guns? What right does anyone have to tell CRAZY that he can’t get the biggest and best...

Monitor Oct 24, 2020 12:46 AM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

I am skeptical about the basic story here. The reader reporting this relates that a friend found this rifle, then says he hasn't heard the story reported elsewhere. Why would it be reported elsewhere unless the Sheriffs wanted public input and there was a real crime to be solved? Then, blood on the gun? That is at least unusual with a rifle. Then ,why would a criminal ditching a gun just throw it in the weeds, leaving potential forensic evidence on it? How about throwing it in the ocean, or even lake Los Carneros? Sorry, it doesn't make sense to me.

dukemunson Oct 24, 2020 08:52 AM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Ar-15’s are dumb and shouldn’t be legal. We should radically change what guns can be purchased as no one needs an assault rifles (and those that do, are the ones we should probably be stopping from having them)!

cwazny Oct 27, 2020 08:36 AM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

So...should we ban the Ruger Mini-14? Magazine fed, and the same caliber (.223). Also, very few crimes are committed using a so-called "assault rifle". I think people that are ignorant about firearms, are just put off by the aesthetics of the Armalite Rifle (AR).

dukemunson Oct 27, 2020 09:22 AM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Yep... we should also ban the Ruger Mini-14! And after making many of these guns illegal, make the guns still legal harder to get. Any other questions CWAZNY?

dukemunson Oct 28, 2020 05:43 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Yeah... you don’t need an AR. No one needs them. And the ones that do... definitely shouldn’t have them. That’s a win for all. I’m sure you could learn to live with just a shotgun, right? We all agreed automatic weapons and grenades were bad... let’s go ahead and update that list and add a lot more that’s no longer aloud! That’s a Win-win that only a kinda nutty fringe would disagree with. You can have a gun... just smaller ones... with less capacity for mayhem... let’s join the rest of the civilized world on this one...

dukemunson Oct 29, 2020 02:27 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

I certainly don't have all the answers...but some answers/questions are pretty easy. Let's just got ahead and not change the clock in November, everyone hates it...dark at 5pm...it sucks! Easy !!!

Next - people don't need assault weapons ...for the exact reasons you state... I DONT WANT YOU (or anyone) HAVING THE FIREPOWER TO KILL LOTS OF PEOPLE AS YOU FIGHT OFF OUR GOVERNMENT. Easy Easy.

cwazny Nov 02, 2020 04:04 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

In the event I did have to "fight off our government", what do you propose I use to protect myself? I torch and a pitchfork?

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:04 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Would listing sites of mass shooting events in America be helpful or "better reasoning"...because we kind of have a disproportionate amount in this country!!!!

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:09 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

So are you bummed that you cant save up money to buy a rocket launcher or antiaircraft weaponry? Is that an infringement on your 2nd amendment right...because they would be pretty helpful in your fighting off the government fantasy! How dare that right be taken from you!!!!! It's wrong...It's your second amendment right...you should have unfettered access to the latest and greatest artillery!!!!!

cwazny Nov 02, 2020 04:21 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

No. You guys love to list "sites". Just give me the numbers from an unbiased source. Just don't make stuff up, or get your information from some lefty lunatic website. Try the CDC. I want you to tell me out of all of the crimes committed with a firearm in this country, how many use a so-called "assault rifles". And, once again, you're lame. Why do you keep insisting that I want a rocket launcher or anti-aircraft gun? Never said any such thing.

macpuzl Nov 02, 2020 04:27 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

We need to restrict all firearms, especially handguns and assault-type weapons. The key is to limit both firepower and concealability. Civilized nations around the world have done it. It'a especially hard for us because of gun worship culture and the sheer number of firearms, but we have to start somewhere.

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:28 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Thats great!! So now that you have acknowledged that it’s good and right to limit ones access to any/all weopons...to infringe upon that 2nd amendment... let’s just go ahead and make that list A little more strict... ‘m’kay ....

cwazny Nov 02, 2020 04:33 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Wow! Typical lefty tactics. Just twist around the words to fit your narrative. Kind of pathetic actually. Alright DUKEMUNSON and MACPUZL and all of the other lefties. You win. Come and get my guns. I'll let you know where to come and get them...

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:34 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

I don’t know...

Pulse nightclub...the borderline... sandy hook... columbine... the sad thing is... the sites go on and on and on and on... but yeah... Guns.. hooray...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

dukemunson Nov 02, 2020 04:55 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

CWAZNY is making a spectacular argument for gun control! Thank you CWAZNY... keep this up and maybe we can, together , convince a few people on the fence to firmly come to the side of less guns and a safer society.

macpuzl Nov 02, 2020 04:41 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Because cons have courted the lowest common denominators in society for decades, science is now considered "lefty".

macpuzl Nov 02, 2020 04:50 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Well, taking advice from countries that have largely eliminated the firearms problems we have might be a good idea, don't you think? Ah, but you don't - you just scream a knee-jerk reaction. You didn't follow the link, because you'd see that it was showing the good old USA.

cwazny Nov 02, 2020 04:51 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

Okay. Once again. Just give me the percentage of crimes that are committed with so-called "assault weapons". Stop saying that I'm denying that these shootings happened. Never said that.

macpuzl Nov 02, 2020 04:57 PM
Illegal AR-15 Found at Ellwood Mesa

If you look at mass shootings, they are mostly carried out with semiautomatic short-barrel rifles, sometimes modified to shoot full auto or with bump stocks. Not too many mass shootings with bolt actions, but there are some. Many with semiautomatic handguns. That's why we need better controls on all sorts of firearms, based on firepower and concealability.

You'll notice that the states with the biggest problems have the loosest laws:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

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