Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

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Source: Santa Barbara Mayor Cathy Murillo

The city of Santa Barbara is processing two street renaming proposals, came in at the same time coincidentally. Details below.

Barbareno Chumash Tribal Council wants to change Indio Muerto to Hutash, which means Mother Earth.

The second application aims to honor Dolores Huerta by renaming San Andres to Calle Dolores Huerta.

The Neighborhood Advisory Council will make recommendations to City Council.

Send City your opinion: [email protected]

1. Rename Indio Muerto to “Hutash” :

Neighborhood Advisory Council: this item will be heard by the Neighborhood Advisory Council on August 10 at 6:00 pm.

Public Participation: those wishing to give public comment at the meeting can register with GotoWebinar at: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7475561273521910285 -Webinar ID - 347-086-347

This registration information will also be printed on the meeting agenda.

2. Rename San Andres Street to Calle Dolores Huerta:

Neighborhood Advisory Council: this item will be heard by the Neighborhood Advisory Council on August 24 at 6:00 pm.

Public Participation: those wishing to give public comment at the meeting can register with GotoWebinar at: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5238734609519318544 - Webinar ID 791-451-947

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Ksen'_Sku'_Mu' Aug 13, 2020 01:29 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

Oh my goodness, yet another neochumash group stealing away identity.
Barbareno Chumash Tribal Council was an offshoot of the coastal band of the chumash nation back in the 90s. When they broke off they followed leaders who didnt agree with the cbcn. Eventually those leaders proved to beess than who they claimed. The followers were actual lineal santa Barbara chumash descendants from villages in santa Barbara. They say they got tired of the leadership and also found out they those leaders were lacking any actual chumash blood so they split off in the early 2000's. This new group is called the Barbareño band of chumash indians.
THE Barbareño band of chumash indians have actual documentation showing they come from villages in the city of sb. One of the members is Ernestine Desoto-yee and she is a direct descendant to the last recorded chumash wot of the village of syuxtun, Yanonali.
So when folks say sb chumash tribe should be part of this, the Barbareño band of chumash indians should be consulted as a matter of protocol before anyone from the Barbareno Chumash Tribal Council attempts to take cultural credit.
This relates to a recent podcast that discusses how neochumash have taken over in an attempt to claim chumash identity for some cause that will grant them public exposure to further support their claim to be chumash.
Take some time to watch this podcast that exposes neochumash and the things they do to fool you all.
https://www.facebook.com/PollenNationMag/videos/291581435480575/

The correct santa Barbara chumash should be consulted http://www.bbcindians.com.

The Barbareno Chumash Tribal Council may have a member or so that do have chumash blood but when its leaders are in question then it raises a question about motives especially when they are not acquiring the support of the actual lineal descendants.
One day this will no longer be a problem. A current bill is in the works called HR 5268 which aims to prevent groups from claiming to be native without proof. This should keep these groups from making public claims like they do and being able to access contracts or funding that should only go to those who can provide documentation showing descendantcy.
Right now the folks who are descendants have no problem showing their genealogy but ask a neochumash to show you the paperwork and they get all defensive.

Only suggestion to the neighborhood council is to ask the Barbareño band of chumash indians to comment. Heck ask Ernestine she lives only a few blocks between both streets. If City folks want to do things right they should start there.

Ahchooo Aug 13, 2020 08:29 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

I’m all in favor of consulting the correct people. But we don’t need any true descendants to realize that “Dead Indian Street” is due for a name change. We probably wouldn’t like “Dead German Street,” or “Dead Human Street” these days either. I think Indio Muerto stuck this long because for the non-Spanish speakers it sounds nice. The meaning, however, is kinda weird for a street name.

NostraChumash Aug 12, 2020 12:50 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

Even "Native american" is not correct & we don't like the name.
Most Natives do NOT like america, & we prefer to be called by our tribal names.
"Natives", Indigenous, 1st Nation, Aboriginal..are more appreciated.

a-1597272720 Aug 12, 2020 03:52 PM
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NostraChumash: Are there any events for those of us who would like to learn more about your culture? Possibly there is a monthly pow-wow held locally (or in the SYV) where we could meet/talk to the local chief, learn about the culture, costumes, and such. I think a lot of people would be truly interested in attending such an event. We attended a Native American event at Live Oak Camp several years ago, and it was wonderful with the colorful costumes, tribal music, and the fry bread was really good! Would be nice if we all could learn more.

NostraChumash Aug 12, 2020 12:36 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

How about deporting all the Chumash back to the islands from which we came?..
Or, kill us off, as was initially intended?..
Place another bounty on our heads (1$..ea) & we will go away, or keep quiet..
Change the name to Manifest Destiny & celebrate.
And here's an answer to a question that was asked;
"Hutash" comes from the language created during the Mission System, by the various bands of Natives imprisoned
there, in order to have a common tongue.
Keep in mind that there were at least 3 very different languages spoken by us, & up to 11 dialects.
Hutash actually means
"The Spirit of Mother Earth".
And as long as we're suggesting new names, i suggest August..
"The month of celebration"..
"Hesiq?momoy ?an smaxa?tam"

KuroNeko Aug 12, 2020 01:14 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

NOSTRACHUMASH, you are recommending a word for August taught to us by Fernando Librado, and coming from the Ventureno Chumash language. I think we need a Barbareno Chumash word since this area is their ancestral homeland.
And I'm curious, from what source did you get information about the "language created during the Mission system"?

Ksen'_Sku'_Mu' Aug 13, 2020 02:00 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

Bohnett Park (Anapamu)Park
2.25 acres
Northwest corner of san pasqual and anapamu
Acquired Sept 1st 1936
from John H McCune for $1,960
for West side playground

The park is located partially in and adjacent to Old Channel of Mission Creek. In his 1935 report to the City,park consultant Ralph Stevens commented that the populous West Side should have a playground or neighborhood park. The site he suggested was the subject property. A plan for Anapamu Park was discussed in 1936. It was improved in 1940 and contained facilities for archery, baseball, scout camping and summer programs.
Beginning in 1947 the park was used for "Camp Conestoga" a day camp for local children. At the time restrooms were constructed. The use ended in 1973.
The configuration of Anapamu Park was changed in the 1950s when one block of San Pascual street was constructed adjacent to it on the east, and again in the mid 1960s when the Westside Boys club was constructed on the Anapamu street end of the park.
In February 1976, the Rotary Club of Santa Barbara offered funds, labor and material to improve the park with the request that it be named for the late Floyd O. Bohnett, former mayor and Rotary International district governor. The offer was accepted in April and the park was named Bohnett Park.

Parks and Rec, Histories of Individual Parks, 1977 by Mary Louise Days City Planning Division.

Minibeast Aug 12, 2020 04:02 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

A-1597262859 AUG 12, 2020 01:07 PM------- According to Christina Biava, PhD Linguistics, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1991)
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These are 2 different words.**************************

“Hippie” is a noun. It developed in the 1960s as a slang variant of the word “hipster,” which referred to someone who was quite up-to-date and aware of new styles. The word hipster itself came from the word “hep,” a slang word describing, similar to “hep,” a person who was ”in the know” when it came to styles, music especially. The origin of “hep” is unknown, but the word became popularized by early jazz musicians in the 1910s and 1920s. (Note how “hippie” came to have a rather different meaning than “hipster.” That is, while the connotation of “hipster” was positive, “hippie” took on a disparaging meaning).

“Hippy” is an adjective that describes a person with broad hips; it comes from the noun “hip.”

a-1597262859 Aug 12, 2020 01:07 PM
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According to most dictionaries, hippie is an alternative spelling for hippy, a member of the 60s counterculture. It came from jazz slang hip (in the know). Nice try!

Minibeast Aug 12, 2020 12:57 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

A-1597255921 AUG 12, 2020 11:12 AM-----It's "detail-oriented," with a hyphen. And: A long-haired 60s flower child was a “hippie.” “Hippy” is an adjective describing someone with wide hips.

Mas Gaviota Aug 12, 2020 09:41 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

I have a simple solution. Change the name of Indio Muerto to just Indio. That would celebrate the first humans in this area and it would be less expensive. The city could fix the street signs by painting over the word Muerto.

Mas Gaviota Aug 12, 2020 12:28 PM
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Actually Columbus though that he had reached the Indies or as we call it now Indonesia / Malaysia. The American Indian Movement AIM and many other tribal members prefer to be referred to as American Indians.

PitMix Aug 12, 2020 12:07 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

Indio means indian, right? Because Columbus thought he had arrived in India but was off by a few thousand miles. I bet Indio St makes very few people happy.

Babycakes Aug 12, 2020 09:37 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

What does Dolores Huerta think about renaming the street in honor of her? Has anyone asked her about this? My guess is that she would not really be interested in having something RE-named after her. Kind of like receiving an engagement ring that was originally purchased for someone else.....basically, "leftovers." How about something "new and shiny" (new street/park/library/clinic/school) for her rather than changing a perfectly good/historic street name and making 99% of those affected angry? The last thing I'd think she'd want is to have her name thought of in negative light.

LoveMySB Aug 12, 2020 08:56 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

SB City Council needs to focus on the bigger issues we have in this city and there are many. Not in favor of the name changes to satisfy a few. We start with these two and next it will be this one and that one because someone doesn't like it. Neighborhood Advisory Council is a waste in my opinion. Ever been to one of their meetings? I have and it's a complete waste of time.

seaninsb Aug 12, 2020 07:27 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

I think it’s a dispacable waste of tax payers money and people’s time and hard earned money. This is a feel good project. Let me remind you the city is in a deficit and many businesses are struggling to stay open. People are out of work. This change will cost real significant money to the city, to the business owners, renters, residents and property owners who live and work on San Andres street.

32 businesses will be affected by this
2 churches
156 other structures that’s a mix between homes and dense apartment buildings. This will affect overall around 1000 people along this corridor.

Cost to home owners and renters: (Expenses you will have to pay out of pocket if this change is passed)$548.00
Cost to business owners: At a minimum $518.00
Real cost to the city: (your wasted tax dollars) $10,000.00

City costs: $10,000.00
Per Business cost: $518 x 32 = $16,576.00
Per resident cost: 1000 x $548.00 = $548,000.00

Total costs for name change to San Andres street: $574,576.00

Now ask yourself why the city is in a deficit. The answer is simple, because our current council members keep supporting and pushing unnecessary financially irresponsible changes like this upon our community.

Ehdat Aug 12, 2020 09:07 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

these costs maybe not exactly correct, but there are real costs that are a lot higher than people realize. Are we in a good financial position right now to spend like this? Let's put it on the calendar for 2022 and see where we are at that point. The issue I have is the flyers plastered all over the westside are misleading. "Will it be easy? Yes!! it only takes one step you to change your address and it is free of charge!"
There is real costs. The last street the city changed the name, in San Roque, was only like 7 properties on a dead-end street. Someone needs to research the real cost of that one. Maybe the costs can be billed back to all the property owners on those streets as a special assessment tax.

JB86 Aug 12, 2020 01:54 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

Fine, change the name from Indio Muerto to whatever the Chumash want, if residents are OK with it. They are the ones affected, having to change all their official documents, from grant deeds to insurance policies and utility bills, magazine subscriptions, etc? Is the City going to take care of this? I doubt it; all they have to do is change a few street signs.

a-1597299929 Aug 12, 2020 11:25 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

When a street name is changed, the City notifies the Post Office. The post office reprograms all its machines to automatically send mail addressed to Indio Muerto to Hutush for 18 months, for free. Meanwhile, all the companies that have large address lists (your credit card companies, utilities, insurance companies, etc., etc. update their own software periodically (every three, six, and/or twelve months) to match that of the post office. What you are left with are very few companies/people you might have to call.....after 18 months.....

PitMix Aug 12, 2020 08:30 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

People keep bring this up like it is a real thing. It is not. The law changing the name allows you to keep the original documents until you need to change them for some other reason, like selling your house. Then it is part of the transaction and doesn't cost you anything. There is some small cost to change the street signs up front, but that is it. But I guess spreading misinformation is helpful if it supports your cause. We are used to it by now.

RHS Aug 11, 2020 06:43 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

I am regularly drive through this neighborhood, often on San Andres. I object to the suggested change. It is in fact a form of colonialism. Outsiders have decided that locals should want the new name. It is the outsiders' initiative, not those of the people who live on and use this street. Leave it alone unless the users want change. With regard to Indio Muerto I suppose it is in bad taste. So go ahead and look at the idea. But if people on that street oppose it, stop.

KuroNeko Aug 11, 2020 06:14 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

The Neighborhood Advisory Council Agenda for the August 10 meeting states this: "On June 15, 2020, the City Administrator’s Office received a request from the Barbareño Tribal Council to rename Indio Muerto Street to Hutash Street, which means “Mother Earth” in the Chumash language." I have a question; In which Chumash language does 'Hutash' mean 'Mother Earth'? In Barbareño Chumash language sources (the language of this area), I find no mention of the word 'Hutash'. So the question remains: from which Chumash language does 'Hutash' come from? Is it a word from a language not from this area that is being imposed on the indigenous peoples of this area?

PitMix Aug 12, 2020 08:27 AM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

In Oxnard they renamed the J St Drain to Chumash Creek, only the spelling is Tsumas with some dots above the S's. So there are also some questions about how these words should be spelled using the english alphabet. Not to stop us from using them, but something to think about.

a-1597212082 Aug 11, 2020 11:01 PM
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Good question. Also, never heard of this particular group of Barbareno Chumash. Their address (from the letter they sent the City) is on Coast Village Rd. and their website has hardly anything on it.....Anybody familiar with them?

ChemicalSuperFreak Aug 11, 2020 05:28 PM
Santa Barbara Council to Discuss Street Renaming

High COVID-19 numbers, inability of the local health department to get case numbers correct, inability of the county to enforce pretty much anything, skyrocketing crime, a massive homelessness problem that is contributing to fires and violence directed at local residents...and renaming a couple of streets is what they're going to focus their time on. Unbelievable.

PitMix Aug 12, 2020 08:24 AM
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You are really going overboard on how serious these problems are. SKYROCKETING crime. MASSIVE homelessness. VIOLENCE directed at residents. What neighborhood do you live in so I can make sure to stay away from it? My westside neighborhood has not changed at all. Really, what is the point of your hyperbole? Does it make it more likely these problems will be solved?

a-1597203050 Aug 11, 2020 08:30 PM
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This is a tangent, but: If you haven’t read Trevor Noah’s “Born a Crime,” I recommend it. Apparently Hitler was a not-uncommon given name when he was growing up.

a-1597193903 Aug 11, 2020 05:58 PM
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SANDY1 - so you're saying you would go to a restaurant called Hitler's Cafe and smugly think how "fruitcakes" will be offended? What "fruitcakes" do you believe would be offended by such a name? Seriously, it's ok, you can say it. Who are these "fruitcakes" offended by Hitler's BBQ? We're all anonymous here - go on and say it......

a-1597192259 Aug 11, 2020 05:30 PM
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REX - no, there isn't. But there WAS a Sambo's, there IS an Indio Muerto and there are probably many many more examples of offensive names out there. The point is/was, just because YOU don't find it offensive, doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.

a-1597189925 Aug 11, 2020 04:52 PM
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KOHN1 - what if I had a restaurant called "Hitler's BBQ?" How would you feel about a name change then? Or, if our city had an old street called "Midget Lynching Lane?" Maybe need a change? Hey, my name and my friends name, when combined, would be a great name for a cafe. I'm guessing you don't mind us opening "Cafe Kike," right?

REX OF SB Aug 11, 2020 04:57 PM
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DOULIE: Mrs. Costantino was around the corner on Micheltorena Street, but I'm sure she wouldn't have been happy about it either. And you forgot Mr. Costelo. FUN FACT: Mr. Souza's wife and I shared the same birthday. That said, in no way is changing the street name a good idea.

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