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Election Forum - Medical Marijuana
updated: Nov 02, 2010, 7:00 PM

This forum is for discussion of election day topics related to medical marijuana, including statewide Prop. 19 and local Measure T.

The companion thread can be used to talk about voting experiences, level of activity at the polls, anticipated results on local races and measures, and later tonight, actual results.

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COMMENT 117752	2010-11-02 07:02 AM
No on 19 and yes on T. That way it will be so hard for our kids to get it? Sometimes they have to wait until 2nd period.
COMMENT 117754P	2010-11-02 07:04 AM
No - 19. Yes - T.
COMMENT 117755	2010-11-02 07:05 AM
We need the younger generations to vote. If they turn out prop 19 will pass. If they don't vote it won't.....
COMMENT 117758P	2010-11-02 07:09 AM
Yes, KEYT showed Das Williams last night passing out flyers in Isla Vista. His peeps.
COMMENT 117759	2010-11-02 07:09 AM
Yes on 19, prohibition doesn't work.
COMMENT 117760	2010-11-02 07:09 AM
polls have been open 10 minutes. early returns show T being defeated and 19 passing.
COMMENT 117761P	2010-11-02 07:10 AM
No on 19, addiction to dope doesn't work for families.
ROGER DODGER	2010-11-02 07:18 AM
Yes on 19, no on T. Thanks Das. Either was it will still bee my medication.
COMMENT 117765	2010-11-02 07:19 AM
Pot users need to take the vast amounts of money they spend on this junk and put it to far more productive uses for themselves and for society. No on 19 and Yes on T. Ban all pot shops in Santa Barbara (YES on T). Stop this illegal drug from taking over this state and our lives (NO on 19). Say no to any more illegal drugs use frontal-lobe impairment in this state. Ban pot entirely. Pot users, stop wasting your money and our time.
COMMENT 117777P	2010-11-02 07:30 AM
117765, thank you. I agree with you, absolutely and completely.
COMMENT 117778P	2010-11-02 07:33 AM
Yes on 19. Who cares about T. All one has to do is look at the past. The past policies regarding marijuana have not worked. Its just made the criminals rich. It was the mafia. Now its the mexican cartels. They are the ones who do not want 19 to pass. Their billion dollar stream will dry up. They want the US to keep it going forever. They love to grow large plantings in our national forest. They do not care about our forest. They do not care about spreading rat poison everywhere. Or metal traps which do not kill the animals right away. Then after the pot is dried and sold the money goes to mexico. They use the money to buy guns and to pay off the many mexican officials, police, politicians, who are all getting rich of of the lucrative American market. And its not ever going to stop. They are the ones who want to keep the Marijuana trade illegal in this country. By voting no on 19 you are supporting the mexican cartels, the drug pushers, the dope heads, the corrupt Mexican goverment, and our lousy, lame, stupid, war on drugs.
COMMENT 117782	2010-11-02 07:36 AM
No on 19 yes on T. It appears the yes on 19 crowd has been drinking the kool aid on that prohibition theme.
COMMENT 117786	2010-11-02 07:47 AM
Yes on 19, yes on T...you heard that correct!
COMMENT 117789	2010-11-02 07:54 AM
No on 19. I don't have a problem getting or smoking weed. If the concern is drug cartel violence, SECURE THE BORDER, otherwise it been fine being illegal.
COMMENT 117800	2010-11-02 08:06 AM
Yes on 19. No in T. Prohibition and the criminalization of marijuana is a clearly failed policy. Wake up people! Why continue to spend massive amounts of tax dollars fighting a problem that will never go away? Tax it and regulate it. Let the community generate income. Get it out of the criminal justice system. It should be treated like alcohol. Why should alcohol and cigarettes be legal when the less harmful marijuana is not? End the refer madness deception perpetuated by the federal government and the drug lobby. Let individuals make their own choices.
COMMENT 117816	2010-11-02 08:34 AM
If you really think people that smoke pot are just lazy peopel that do nothing, you haver another thing coming because they run much of this country. lawyers, doctors, computer programmers, etc. All of these professions have many so called "stoners" . There will always be people that are useless individuals, drugs or not. To make a widespread judgement is downright ignorant. Vote Yes on 19 and no on T. Legal or not, the stuff is everywhere and it does not change access for children that are going to use it.
COMMENT 117823	2010-11-02 08:45 AM
Yes on 19 its basically legal as is take the next step and make it all the way legal, and Yes on T stop the sham MMJ storefronts.
COMMENT 117841	2010-11-02 09:02 AM
Everyone who would grow, smoke or possess pot after 19 passes is already growing, smoking or possessing it right now. That employee who would "light up right before coming to work" is already lighting up before work now. What 19 will change is that good people like myself who are responsible parents, concerned, compassionate, nonviolent citizens, (and would you believe highly educated and very successful) won't get taken to jail and treated like scum for driving around in a car with a little bit of a plant that has been growing on this earth since before humans were here!!!!
COMMENT 117845	2010-11-02 09:14 AM
117841...couldn't have said it better...legalize it. Now if we could only have a prop to make alcohol illegal. Why someone would poison themself is beyond me.
SHOREBIRD	2010-11-02 09:21 AM
Yes on 19. T is not on the Notela ballot.
COMMENT 117852	2010-11-02 09:22 AM
19 does not legalize sales! Just possession and cultivation, which patients already have the right to. Most can't grow it though. We still need to vote NO on T to protect safe access. People's lives are at stake!
COMMENT 117856	2010-11-02 09:25 AM
Abuse by doctors or resellers is not the dispensaries fault. Do we close the pharmacy when someone sells your kid Oxycontin? Besides the "skateboarding 20 year olds", thousands of people in Santa Barbara really really need medical marijuana for serious conditions and have no way to get it without dispensaries. The new ordinance limits the city to 3 non profits that are subject to regular inspection. Don't remove regulations and send patients to the black market drug dealers. Protect safe access. Vote No on T!
COMMENT 117858	2010-11-02 09:26 AM
People's lives are at stake???? No, marijuana inc's wealth is at stake. Yes on T.
COMMENT 117860P	2010-11-02 09:30 AM
Yes on 19, no on T. The war on drugs is a failure. Release non-violent MJ offenders from our jails and prisons and make more room for violent offenders. 19 will not create more stoners. Weed is already easy to obtain. Alcohol is a far bigger threat to our public health and safety.
COMMENT 117864	2010-11-02 09:39 AM
117860P: Alcohol was just found in a recent study to be worse than heroin or coke. Why is pot illegal again?
COMMENT 117865	2010-11-02 09:41 AM
Alcohol was the bigger threat because more people drive drunk
COMMENT 117868	2010-11-02 09:48 AM
Without weed, Santa Barbara would become a ghost town. Remember back in 2006 when they had a day without immigrants? Complete shutdown. If the idiotic, almost EIGHTY year old failed war against cannibas continues we should have day without stoners. Good luck getting that latte or getting your car worked on.
COMMENT 117870P	2010-11-02 09:53 AM
YES on 19. Vote yes for a healthier alternative to alcohol.
COMMENT 117871	2010-11-02 09:53 AM
okay... do people understand the power that just a zoning, code enforcement, or architectural review board can place on a household trying to add a room onto their house or remodel their kitchen? My friends were trying to add a greenhouse at the end of their driveway, and the city kept sending them back to redo the plans at a cost of thousands of dollars for permits and an architect. Likewise, getting a DUI ticket with 30 day hold on your vehicle will cost the typical first time offender thousands of dollars and has a very persuasive effect on people's behavior. The jails are not filled with drunks though, and their children only suffer mild economic and social losses rather than losing a parent. Why can't they just ticket and regulate the pot growers
COMMENT 117874	2010-11-02 09:55 AM
Yes on 19. No on T. Did anyone read the study released yesterday that shows alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana, cocaine and even heroin? You should. Google it, and read it.
COMMENT 117885P	2010-11-02 10:14 AM
Yes on 19. No on T. Let's see this plant for what it is, and move on. If 19 passes, I guarantee you, people will begin focusing on what really matters in their lives. Tax it, regulate it, allow employers to continue a no-drug/pro-testing policy if they want, and cut off the source of funding of violent criminal gangs. A no-brainer.
COMMENT 117891	2010-11-02 10:25 AM
Hello, all drugs are dangerous. Alcohol is legal and therefore more socially acepted and easier to obtain. What's going to happen once MJ becomes legal and easier to obtain? That's all we need another legal drug. I live very close to a "medical marijuana dispensary" and all I ever see is drunks hanging around it and the people who run it have been arrested numerous times and they had a stabbing there. If it's illegal federally why would it legal statewide? Doesn't make sense to me.
COMMENT 117895	2010-11-02 10:29 AM
Tax it! Yes on 19, Yes on T This stuff should be sold in places other than the "dispensaries".
EZ2	2010-11-02 10:30 AM
YES 19
COMMENT 117898	2010-11-02 10:31 AM
Hello! Life is dangerous, According to leaders in the medical community, it is the number one cause of death.
COMMENT 117904	2010-11-02 10:44 AM
117874 - that study was entirely funded and ran by pro-marijuana folks.
COMMENT 117910	2010-11-02 11:04 AM
117904 - That is completely false and incorrect. You're just trying to create a straw man.
COMMENT 117911	2010-11-02 11:04 AM
The bottom line is that marijuana will be legal, if not this election then next. It is inevitable, I support it, and frankly I would bet my life on it. Prohibition is caused by false reasoning, those companies that would compete against it, and general ignorance by those that oppose it.
COMMENT 117914	2010-11-02 11:05 AM
Using marijuana is the failed policy. When you come down off the chemical high, the same problems you tried to put behind you on the weed are still there and have gotten worse. So you have to smoke again, and again and again. No one thinks pot smokers are charming and don't want any more of them.
COMMENT 117917	2010-11-02 11:18 AM
I like the idea, but 19 is just a very poorly written bill.
ROGER DODGER	2010-11-02 11:18 AM
Yes on 19 no on T. Yes for spare change for the oppsitions depends.
COMMENT 117921	2010-11-02 11:20 AM
117904 - just to illustrate a recurring theme in these back-and-forth's on Edhat, the study that is being discussed/referred to (and I am quoting from NBC's website directly): "The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet." While you may disagree with British scientists for some reason, you have failed to be honest and/or show your work in constructing your anti-marijuana argument. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your level of education, and I'm going to assume that you're probably a nice person with good values, and that you & I simply differ on this issue...but I would ask that you 'show your work' before making blanket (false) assertions like that next time.
COMMENT 117931	2010-11-02 12:12 PM
No on 19.
COMMENT 117932	2010-11-02 12:18 PM
YES ON 19. Get your hands off of my lungs!
COMMENT 117933	2010-11-02 12:20 PM
117921 - The Centre for Crime and Justice Studies is NOT a scientific organization...it is a charity whose mission it is reclassify crimes it sees as being punished too harshly or not punished enough. They are WELL KNOWN for being totally against the criminalization of marijuana. This report is totally biased. I suggest you do your research.
COMMENT 117935	2010-11-02 12:25 PM
yes on 19 and no on T. Can't wait for you prohibition fools to discover the sky is not falling. A 50 yr old productive tax payer and volunteer in the community that does not drink. Sick of someone's brainwashing and bigotry. Oh yeah, never has given pot, alcohol, or cigarettes to a minor...nor oxycotin and all the other pharma slime poisons err drugs most of you take on a daily basis. All you parents that feed your abused children ADHD drugs AND never lifted a finger to discover diet and nutritions role in this mess deserves to be in jail rather than innocent pot smokers. Search: the emperor wheres no clothes"... not that you will and not that you will unclog your head.
COMMENT 117938P	2010-11-02 12:31 PM
117935 - let me paraphrase your comment... "I'm a 50-yr-old stoner whose brain is mush and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about...huh-huh...wait...I need another hit..."
COMMENT 117941	2010-11-02 12:35 PM
117938P, and what negative aspects(along with proof that they are true) would you like to provide to the board? ...that's what we thought...
COMMENT 117943	2010-11-02 12:41 PM
@117938P- how can you paraphrase somebody you have clue about, no information about, and most importantly, a comment that they made as their own personal view? Be constructive or don't comment!
COMMENT 117953	2010-11-02 01:04 PM
Yes on T! The "no on T' funding all came from marijuana dispensary owners. What does that tell you? Safe access, my left foot. "Don't cut off my cash cow" is more like it. And did you see the No on T flyer? Like little old ladies fret outside a locked dispensary. More like 20-25 year old males on skateboards, deprived of their hit.
COMMENT 117954	2010-11-02 01:08 PM
Yes, it *is* a waste of time and money to have to vote on Measure T. Thank the City Council for that. They were unable to come up with a plan that all could agree upon so they literally threw up their hands and said they'd pass it to the voters to decide. No on T. Preserve safe access. It's the right thing to do. And you hysterical prohitionist people: Keep your hands off of and your children away from my medical cannabis! Go worry about something else...like alcoholism and how it destroys lives or the diversion of ritalin and oxycodone in the schools. Those are real concerns in our community, not a little bit of pot used in the privacy of one's own home.
COMMENT 117962	2010-11-02 01:38 PM
117933: I accept your assertion that you believe the CCJ is not a scientific organization. Brief googling informs me that until this year, the CCJ "was part of King's College London, the third oldest university in England". So, I apologize for not understanding that it's WELL KNOWN - I can't seem to find any facts to back up your assertion. Any references/suggestions to educate me? Asked a different way; what organization or science group or governing body WOULD sway your opinion on the use/benefits of marijuana. Are there any? Or is your mind already made up so that any evidence to the contrary will always be countered with an argument? Is there any way that your mind is open to change, or has the issue been decided for you regardless of any current/future evidence to the contrary? I respect your point of view, and ask that you respect mine as well. Please respond without any personal attacks or rhetoric. Thanks, and thanks for taking part in the democratic process!
COMMENT 117967	2010-11-02 01:56 PM
I couldn't find measure T on the ballot at all, neither could my Girlfriend when she voted. Has anyone actually seen it?
COMMENT 117971	2010-11-02 02:00 PM
117967 - it's actually based on your precinct, I believe. Someone commented on here earlier that noleta did not have the option on the ballot, which makes sense, since SB and goleta are two different cities...bwahahaha. Sorry. I almost called Goleta a city with a straight face ;-). I kid, I kid.
COMMENT 117972	2010-11-02 02:03 PM
@117967 - Only SB city voters can vote on it. The rest of the county will still have dispensaries unless the Sheriff keeps wasting all his resources on year long investigations that lead to pointless raids. Meanwhile, let all of your friends who live in city limits know to vote NO on T.
COMMENT 117973	2010-11-02 02:04 PM
117967 are you registered as living in the City of SB? It might be that T is a City-only measure? We're in the City and we didn't have the option of voting for the measure for elementary school bonds (can't remember it's letter, R maybe?), I figured we didn't fall into the area. We did have the measure for the high school bonds.
COMMENT 117974	2010-11-02 02:06 PM
T is on city ballots only. 19 is statewide. Yes on 19. End prohibition. No on T.
COMMENT 117997P	2010-11-02 02:58 PM
I just voted YES 0n 19
COMMENT 118001	2010-11-02 03:11 PM
Yes on 19. No on T! Alcohol is far worse than marijuana. People also forget to mention the uses of hemp as fuel, rope, paper, building material, clothing, cosmetics, and hemp seed as food.
COMMENT 118003	2010-11-02 03:21 PM
YES ON 19! :) End prohibition!
COMMENT 118004	2010-11-02 03:26 PM
Great discussion forum thank you! Santa Barbara is lucky to have informative websites like edhat and newshawk. Glad to see Cheri Rae covering politics for the Santa Barbara View too! Keep up the great work, Sally
COMMENT 118013	2010-11-02 03:47 PM
So how uniformed are some of the Yes 19 folks? (And I voted Yes on 19) afraid of being dragged off to jail because they might have some on them. Unless you are driving baked they are not going to take you to jail for a small amount. If you have 5 pounds well thats different. I cant believe the ignorance of what actually the penalty is, a misdemeanor and like a 100 dollar fine. It does of course point out the problems with the state are not all with the politicians, voters who have no real idea are a problem to. Whether it passes or not go spend a little more than 100 at any of the script mill doctors the dispensaries will point you to and you can legally smoke.
COMMENT 118018	2010-11-02 04:05 PM
WooHoo! Another voter making sense! Yes on 19 no on T. I guess the knuckle draggers will have to get use that the world has changed.
COMMENT 118020	2010-11-02 04:09 PM
118013 - they will just cite you if you are caught with a small amount smoking or possessing in public. If they find it while searching your car, you are getting cuffed. It is in the police blotters every day, and it happened to me, albeit a long time ago. I didn't say it was a jail sentence, but if you've ever been cuffed and stuffed unjustly you know it makes you mad enough to kill, and it changes your view of law enforcement forever. Maybe they will let you off if they want, but keep in mind that they can also Rodney King your ass if they want to as well. No we're not all ignorant of the law, in fact possession is no longer even a misdemeanor just an infraction courtesy of Arnold. That's not the point. We need this law to protect pot users from the whims of law enforcement.
COMMENT 118040P	2010-11-02 04:54 PM
support general idea of 19 but believe that it is a flawed law. better to vote no and get a better written law next time. I do not use mj and am well past college age. Had many friends in college who smoked and most have turned into fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
COMMENT 118052P	2010-11-02 05:37 PM
for the past 3 hours the election ads for Measure T and Goleta City council have been playing 2- 3 times an hour on CCN. What is that about?
COMMENT 118059P	2010-11-02 05:58 PM
Ridiculous - marijuana should not be illegal - prohibition didn't work the first time - just put distribution into the hands of criminals. AND either way, if marijuana is a prescribed medication, it should be sold at the pharmacy, just like any other medication. Why develop a whole new tier of retail with "dispensaries"?
COMMENT 118066	2010-11-02 06:21 PM
67 comments in this thread vs 32 in the "everything except weed" thread... statistics indicate Edhat posters are more than twice as interested in marijuana as they are in all other political topics combined. If that's not an argument in favor of legalization, I don't know what is? ;-)
COMMENT 118079	2010-11-02 07:33 PM
Put the Pot Doc's out of business! Vote yes on 19 and No on T!
COMMENT 118085P	2010-11-02 07:55 PM
Not sure what 118013 is asking. I'm not uniformed in anyway. Did u mean "uninformed" or are you asking if we're cops?
COMMENT 118164P	2010-11-03 05:37 AM
The growers in northern california are very happy, the mexican cartels are extremely happy, your local pusher man i is very happy, the corporations who supply drugs are very happy. Anyone who voted no on 19 is giving a green light to supporting the killing, the violence, mayhem, and the exporting of large quantities of american dollars to the mexican cartels.
COMMENT 118211	2010-11-03 07:56 AM
Medical Marijuana should not be "non-profit". In Colorado, it is medical but a open market. As a result, the price is 1/2 of what it is here. The "NON -PROFIT" model has failed as it opens too many windows for corruption. Colorado proved my point. The Clubs barely stay open from the fact that the price is so low. That was the whole goal of "NON-PROFIT", which has turned out to be a profiteering/tax evasion scam. We just need to re-write prop 215.
COMMENT 118212P	2010-11-03 07:57 AM
Thank you Edhat for giving the community a voice this election. Much appreciated!

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