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Minimum Wage Raise
updated: Jul 01, 2014, 8:05 AM

By Edhat Subscriber

Today marks the raise in the minimum wage to $9.00 per hr. Can anyone actually live in SB on minimum wage?

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 COMMENT 531939 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:18 AM

$800 to rent a ROOM so two week's work just to sleep...


 COMMENT 531940 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:19 AM

No. This is why 10 people live in a two bedroom house and there is no parking on your street.


 COMMENT 531941 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:19 AM

No, not when tiny studio apartments for going for $1,000.00+, and a private room in a shared housing situation is close to that.


 COMMENT 531944 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:25 AM

Heck NO!

12 bucks an hour, (if you were lucky enough to find a full time job) to be able to squeak by, and didn't have a commute or a car to make payments on, and never ate in restaurants, and didn't spend any money on entertainment), minimum.


 COMMENT 531945 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:30 AM

$15 just to be able to eat, sleep safely and have clothes and utilities.


 COMMENT 531946 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:32 AM

Mimimum wage should be used to bring youngsters into the work force for the first time to teach them "real world" responsibility, not used as a living wage for an underclass of semi or unskilled older workers.

The real problem lies with our politicians of all stripes who have driven jobs overseas (can you say China, et al?) through short-sighted trade policies and who, through stifling regulations, have kept decent-paying domestic jobs from being created.

Jobs creation (and, by extension, education) are the true answers to the present dilemma - not saddling small business with higher wage costs.


 COMMENT 531947 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:35 AM

Sure, if you live at home or have lots of roommates. We all started there. If you're older and still making minimum wage because you haven't developed skills, that's your problem, not the employer's. Seattle raising theirs to $15/hour is going to be an interesting (probably not positive) test case.


 COMMENT 531948 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:35 AM

Minimum wage is supposed to be an entry point, not the pay of a skilled or experienced worker. If you're making min wage for more than 6 month, its your problem not the governments.

This is the real issue, not the min wage being a living wage. Its not the Govt responsibility to make sure that people have basic skills and the motivation to better themselves.


 COMMENT 531949 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:35 AM

Of course not.

Nor is $9/hr enough to live in the South of France, nor the Hamptons, nor Rome, nor Hong Kong.

Not everyone can afford to live wherever they want. That's life.

If ya can't afford to live in an expensive area, move elsewhere.


 MESARATS agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:36 AM

It is the first raise in 6 years which barley keeps up with inflation and that is without considering the high cost of housing in California (and even more so in Santa Barbara) in addition to taxes.


 COMMENT 531952 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:37 AM

Bottomline is that it just gets passed on to the consumers. I do believe those minimum wage employees are also consumers. If I was making minimum wage I wouldn't be living in Santa Barbara, nor California for that matter.


 COMMENT 531953 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:39 AM

It's not, but it's fine for the minimum wage. The minimum wage in this town has never been high enough for living here.

I don't like it, but there is a high price to living in paradise. Hopefully workers can rise above minimum wage and leave those lowest paying jobs to people entering the workforce.


 COMMENT 531956 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:43 AM

meanwhile, the CEO to worker pay ratio has increased how much?


 COMMENT 531957 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:46 AM

My first job was part time for $.85/hr. That would buy three hamburgers. Every kid past 16 had a job. Then I jumped up to $12/day but that was for a 12 hour day. There were no major jumps but eventually with marriage and two kids the salary became livable. If the present minimum wage is $15/hr or even a higher to be a living wage, there will not be many starting jobs. I would much rather hire an adult, even foreign, than deal with a less responsible teen.


 COMMENT 531962 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:03 AM

Just dropping in to stir the pot... For several years I worked for a company that paid a large portion of its production employees an average of $12/hr. These were not entry-level or unskilled workers. Nor is this unusual; from looking at craigslist it appears most manufacturing companies pay next to nothing.

Not directly related to min. wage: salaries in general in Santa Barbara are skewed low in comparison not only to the cost of living but also in comparison to similarly sized metro areas.


 COMMENT 531965 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:12 AM

Most people, and definitely the politicians miss the point. The minimum wage is NOT supposed to equate to a living wage. You do not want to encourage people to feel satisfied being employed in a low end job! People need to be encouraged to rise above it. Work harder, get more education and rise above it to financial success. THIS IS what the American Dream is all about, not flipping burgers for the rest of your life. This is the best solution for our economy and definitely the best thing for our fellow citizens. I paid my way through college, started a business and YOU can too!


 COMMENT 531970 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:23 AM

Santa Barbara should follow what San Francisco does. The minimum wage in SF is $10.74 (obviously due to the extremely high cost of living.) I don't think prices in SB are much different than SF.


 COMMENT 531973 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:29 AM

I think rent in sb should be lower. Every month it gets raised and it makes it impossible for us to save enough money to buy a home. And no I'm not moving. That isn't the answer. When will rent stop increasing.


 COMMENT 531974 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:30 AM

This isn't communist USSR. No one DESERVES a high minimum wage. If you work hard at school and get good grades and get a college education then you will get a high paying job. If you smoke weed all day and blow off school, then you get paid minimum wage and you live at home or with 6 friends in a small apartment.

It's that simple.

Keep the minimum wage where it is and make higher wages an incentive for young people to stay off drugs and learn.


 COMMENT 531978P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:36 AM

Starting min. wage needs to be $15 around this county.


 COMMENT 531981 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:41 AM

Please exclude all tipped income earners.... minimum wage regs do not apply to them.


 COMMENT 531982 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:44 AM

$9 an hour a livable wage in Santa Barbara? (!) Maybe, but you'd have to work 30+ hours a day to pay the bills and cover the basics, let alone have anything resembling a life. Sleep? Eat? Commute? Forget it.

Liberty and justice are a fantasy, light years away from the lower paid - their America is all about servitude, hardship and being on the sharp end of economic terrorism.


 COMMENT 531984 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:45 AM

973 (And those similarly situated) - Raised EVERY month!? Why wouldn't you move elsewhere to buy a first home if you can't save enough here and then come back?

How much do you spend monthly on Starbucks? Do you bring a sack lunch to work or eat at a pricey venue? Bare bones cell service or unlimited talk and text? In other words, is there any money that could be saved by reducing the frivolous "wants" versus actual "needs"?

Just asking legit questions, not trying to be flippant.

Rents will stop rising when there are fewer potential tenants bidding for the property. Laws of supply and demand can't be repealed. Everyone wants to live in this "paradise."


 COMMENT 531986 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:49 AM

The number of people here warbling on in their fantasy worlds of how the minimum wage shouldn't increase or how a "living wage" is a fantasy are living in a fantasy world themselves; a fantasy world where the cost of living doesn't increase and wages are flat for decades. In the real world, where actual people live, the cost of living is always increasing and wages have been in a period of utter stagnation for the vast majority of workers for years.

Increased productivity + no increase in wages = growing income inequality and poverty. If you can't see this, maybe you need to experience being poor through no fault of your own. Millions of people do, and it's terrible. And there are far more reasons for this than people simply not working hard enough or "failing to get ahead in life".


 COMMENT 531991P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 09:56 AM

In Sydney, Australia (where I just visited) the minimum wage is about $17 an hour. Somehow even with universal health coverage, mandated, long vacation pay periods, it works. McDonald's prices are a little more than here, clothes a lot more, but I saw maybe two homeless people in ten days there. Seems as if we can afford trillions for needless wars, billions for bank bailouts, we could provide our lowest paid workers with a little better wage/existence.


 COMMENT 531993P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:03 AM

973, I agree with 984 about rents not rising when there are fewer demands for rentals. Also: keep in mind that every time we have a bond issue, the recent ones on schools and the upcoming one for SBCC, rents rise. Also: property taxes even without bonds can and do go up 2%/year; rents will do similarly; and, remember, that water/sewer/trash costs have been going up every year -- rents will do so equally.

So, when you read about water usage and city intentions to raise the rates, as today, for instance, and when you read about SBCC and other bonds, remember that rent will go up equivalently.


 COMMENT 531995P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:04 AM

At least $18/hour is needed to afford a one-bedroom apartment now. The rents have exploded. It's short-sighted, because no one has extra income to spend now. So, merchants will suffer. Rents will not stop rising. People will just stop spending money on anything but the bare essentials.
I don't believe for a second that any of the posts (mostly by non-subscribers) asserting that it's possible to move on from minimum wage jobs to those paying a living wage know what they're talking about. Sure, when I was young, that was possible. Not now. There is widespread wage suppression. And it's not politicians who sent the jobs overseas. It's a greedy elite. The numbers support this assertion. Look at the increase in income inequality and the increasing concentration of ownership of capital assets. Look at the number of WalMart workers receiving public assistance. That corporation could increase the salary of every worker by $10,000 per year and still make a hefty profit.
If you don't believe in Henry Ford's system of paying workers enough to be good consumers, then you obviously don't understand what built the middle class in this country and what has destroyed it.


 COMMENT 532001 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:16 AM



 COMMENT 532004 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:22 AM

Nope. Depending on family size, $9 isn't even close.

MIT has a living wage chart, broken down by either county or city.

( livingwage.mit.edu/ )


 COMMENT 532007P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:25 AM

It's not even enough to live on in Santa Maria.


 COMMENT 532009 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:28 AM

If you dont make enough money to live where and how you want... make more money. No one and nothing is stopping you from making more money. This in the USA and the opportunity to make as much money as you want is everywhere... It starts with you, not the Govt, not your employer, but you. You're the only one who can change your future. If money and things are important, better yourself and make more money. They print more everyday!


 COMMENT 532011 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:31 AM

"Minimum Wage" is/was NEVER designed to be "Livable Wage." It is for those with minimal qualifications/skills, and allows for those people to work, and contribute to their familiy's income. Get a clue.


 COMMENT 532016 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:37 AM

The problem is, some people aren't worth $9/hr. I've worked with some of them and it's sad but true. This will put them out of work.


 COMMENT 532017 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:39 AM

What's frustrating is that SB locals with Bachelor and Masters Degrees are living here and not making much more than that an hour. We need more jobs, period!

It doesn't make any sense that an educated person with $75k in student loans and a Masters Degree is making $2 more an hour than a McDonalds employee in college. Something is wrong with that picture.


 COMMENT 532019 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:50 AM

Life is extremely hard no matter where you are or how much you make an hour. Raising the minimum wage won't make a dent in personal happiness.


 COMMENT 532021 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:52 AM

you can easily live in your car, shower and use the restrooms at the beach on 9 but that's if you can find 40 hours witch would probably mean two jobs


 COMMENT 532023 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:56 AM

Rent, or home prices for that matter, go up in part due to simple supply and demand. Santa Barbara is geographically limited, so there is not a lot of addition to supply that can happen (not to mention the riots we would have over added water use).

Demand is high because it is a nice place to live. It fluctuates based on all sorts of other factors.

So market prices are mostly demand-based since supply is nearly a constant. If yours are being increased monthly, your landlord is hosing you. Time to move.

$9 is averaging $1,560 per month before taxes. No, you can't really live here on that. Artificially moving it up doesn't solve the problem. If a business has to pay more wages, then they have to raise prices, and it trickles down further. The root cause is more closely related to both a discrepancy in wages for low-end vs. high-end jobs and to an overall lack of high-end jobs.


 COMMENT 532025 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 10:59 AM

If we didn't pay 50%+ of our income to a government in taxes it would be much easier to live off minimum wage.
Again, these types of jobs are not the ones that you should be raising a family on. If you are not worth more than $9/hr to your employer then you shouldn't have had kids. Also, with the government printing money like its going out of style, all your wages and savings are going down by default. It will not end until the dollar collapses (which shouldn't be too much longer, when other countries start using other currency for oil purchases)


 COMMENT 532033 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:12 AM

Don't get a master degree in feminism?


 COMMENT 532035P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:20 AM

Not a chance.....

Do the math: ($9*40)*4.33 = ~$1,558 a month (before taxes). Take a 1/3 for state and federal taxes, S.S., etc... and you have barely $1000 left per month. No one can live on that in this town without a lot of extra help.


 COMMENT 532036 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:23 AM

Why stop there.. Lets just give a way more freebies: many are collecting food stamps for free food, free or reduced rent.. heck, lets just force the folks that work real hard and have a business to pay more to support more people.. Wait, I forgot that Obama already did this. The welfare nanny state IS here. Your options: 1. work harder for better education and thus salary 2. Move to another state where your skill level will permit you the lifestyle that you think you need. Stop asking everyone else to pay it for you.


 COMMENT 532037 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:23 AM

991P, you are right, if we didn't spend so much on defense, more than every other nation in the world COMBINED, we could have a nice society like Australia. I wonder if they are accepting immigrants? Too bad the ozone layer there is disappearing. Maybe New Zealand is a better alternative?


 COMMENT 532040 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:27 AM

So basically there's a bunch of people here telling me that because I dropped out of school to take care of my sick mother who would have become homeless without me taking a full time job to help cover medical expenses, that it's MY fault that I somehow can't move up in the job market and make more money. Even though returning to college would be prohibitively expensive and unfeasible given my expenses, somehow a system that engages in wage suppression and values corporate profits above the welfare of average humans is MY fault. Got it.

This is why other countries laugh at America. Shame on all of you. Damn.


 COMMENT 532049 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:46 AM

Imagine what SB (or California, for that matter) would look like if all minimum wage earners moved away. The economy would promptly collapse. That mentality isn't the answer. Raising the minimum wage (even higher) is the answer.


 COMMENT 532055 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 11:59 AM

037 - When the government spend money on defense, where do you think that money goes? Down the toilet??

No. It goes to pay the salaries of local people like me, a highly educated person. A salary that is big enough to be able to afford to live here (but not quite enough to afford to buy a home).

If you cut the defense budget in half and subsidize the raising of the minimum wage, that wage will only be raised by about $0.25. Meanwhile, 10's of thousands of people like me will be laid off.


 COMMENT 532059 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 12:07 PM

$9/hr is $18,000 a year IF you are full time.... That won't even pay a Trust Fund Baby's bar bill.....


 COMMENT 532062 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 12:16 PM

It's odd that so many posts here complain about skills, yet can't follow simple spelling rules in English.


 COMMENT 532070 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 12:25 PM

Is $9/hr a liveable wage? no. Is minimum wage supposed to be a liveable wage? no.

Santa Barbara is not a place the "common man" can live without making huge sacrifices. It is designed for short-term tourists, non-permanent college students, and a playground for the ultra wealthy.


 COMMENT 532072P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 12:26 PM

Hmm… how many people I know who were crooked by expensive online universities, then though they were told there were jobs in a field, those numbers / stats were fudged or misleading. Minimum wage matter is complicated - some people / places can certainly afford to pay more. We're all in this together and pay one way or another. My father did say "if you took all the money in the world, and divided it equally, the rich would have it back in three years."


 COMMENT 532076 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 12:35 PM

It's sad when you work your ass off (40 plus hours a week )to just be able to pay rent , bills , gas and groceries.. Would love to move elsewhere just can't save anything when it takes every penny you have to live!!!!!


 COMMENT 532086 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 01:13 PM

083: Thanks. That really needed to be said.


 MESARATS agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 01:25 PM

The rest of my 2 cents.
Jobs: Walmart and McDonald's are great examples of how low wages cost taxpayers that end up subsidizing medical, housing and food, i.e. Walmart reports declining revenue in states that have reduced benefits for food stamp programs (Walmart workers cost the government 300 million in food stamp programs a year). Yes these jobs were originally supposed to be temp or entry level, but as others have mentioned, the next level jobs just don't exist in meaningful numbers anymore. Santa Barbara can be the poster child example for the growing income disparity and declining middle class.

Santa Barbara is its own hell for skilled workers. We continue to favor big expensive housing developments, give tax breaks to large hotels, but do nothing to attract business that would provide good paying jobs. I would rather give the 10 million tax break to a tech company or low impact manufacture than a rich guy to finish the Miramar. We are becoming more like Orange County every year, but without the the enterprise zone. Great, we create more low paying hospitality jobs. Many people have 2 or 3 of them which makes it really easy to go to school and improve your marketability for the better paying jobs that don't exist. Thy unworthy shall move away. I guess that explains the commuter traffic on the 101.

Housing. Yep, it is supply and demand. Even when the prices dipped to the point of affordability to more middle class people the banks that screwed themselves by making crap loans to people who could't afford them,did a 180 and stopped making loans even to really solid people. Thats when the all cash buyers and big money step in. The bank owed 600K fixer that would have been great for some locals who may have rented the spare, ends up being held and flipped for 900k. That's even if it even made it to the MLS in the first place. Higher cost base, higher rent and less diversity. Throw in the half of the well funded SBCC population that comes from out of the area who think sharing a room for $600 is a good deal which drives up prices even more.
The only thing renters can do to help keep rents stable is be a good tenant and don't create additional costs. Even if you don't pay for utilities or water conserve, report issues or leaks before they turn into really expensive repairs,
and think twice about voting for every property tax hike that ends up on the ballot. Personally. I don't mind paying a bit more things as a result of the wage hike.


 COMMENT 532093 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 01:33 PM

This area is what it is. If you don't know that going in, you find out. Every place in this country has it's ups and downs. I work 60 plus hours a week by choice because I like working at both the jobs I am lucky and grateful to have. I get good benefits from one and the salaries from both are fair. There is nothing to complain about. I don't think you can afford to live on $9 an hour here or pretty much anywhere else in this state. That being said, a $9 minimum wage is not unreasonable. The quality of your work should not be dependant on what you are paid - a strong work ethic gets you far. And like Kane said "All hail the one who gets the job done". I better get back to work.


 COMMENT 532094 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 01:40 PM

Good wage for a teenager living at home with his parents.


 COMMENT 532095P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 01:44 PM

532080 - you have no clue. It is an attitude like that, if allowed to prevail, that will drag this country into 3rd world status. Already, we are seeing it - in technology and education.

The disparity between the rich and middle class has grown to a huge wide chasm, because the pay of the middle class HAS NOT changed for 30 years, while that of the top has increased by over 300%. Even the POPE has expressed concern about economic inequality.

One can work oneself to death, but if the people who decide how much to pay employees (while making billions themselves) do not pay a living wage, then this country will (is) go to hell in a hand basket.


 COMMENT 532099P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 02:10 PM

If only that education could have afforded some of you with even an ounce of humility, empathy or compassion. And anyone who believes that the "American Dream" still exists has been drinking way too much of the Kool-Aide. Whoever spoke about the rest of the world laughing at us was right. Why, the rhetoric spewed forth in many of these comments is enough crack anyone up. "The American Dream"-hahaha!


 COMMENT 532110P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 02:59 PM

Capitalism only works if there is

- fair play
- no tax loopholes
- no cheating
- no huge bonuses despite trashing the economy
- no tax breaks while involved in two costly wars
- no shipping of jobs to countries that pay employees chickenfeed
- no subsidies to oil companies
- no subsidies to farmers
- no subsidies to congress members
- no large salaries, pensions and healthcare to congress members
- no lobbyists who write the laws, not the taxpaying voters

Otherwise, capitalism will fall flat on its face, as it has in this country. We do not have capitalism in this country, we have an oligarchy, where the rules are not fair but favor the rich and are written by the rich.


 COMMENT 532112P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 03:03 PM

Seems to be a theme here of "let them eat cake," or rice and beans, or poutine. This is a difficult situation - I don't think we should grow as a city to allow everyone who wants to live here. It's a choice if you wish to sacrifice in salary to live here. On the other hand, it seems as if there are a lot of people here who could afford to have workers earning a living wage of about $15 an hour.


 COMMENT 532126 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 03:46 PM

Oh my word! I was out of work for quite some time and I looked for anything I could do, including minimum wage jobs. This included many positions that did not include flipping burgers. Sadly, if you are in the job market, you will often take what you are offered. I was lucky and found something with a decent hourly pay but it is only part-time and it is more than what I would have made in the previous city that I lived. The starting wages for almost any job available out there is minimum wage or a bit higher because there are very little jobs and so many people out of work and businesses can pretty much pay what they want because they can. College graduates are working for minimum wage nowadays. Yes, the minimum raised should be raised but more importantly, there needs to be more jobs.


 COMMENT 532154 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 07:13 PM

If you can only perform minimum tasks, then you should be paid a minimum wage. Uneducated, unskilled work-does not earn high skilled, wages. Those who think they can live in Santa Barbara on a minimum wage, simply prove the point why they earn minimum wage. Low skilled workers simply dont have a right to live here. The obvious answer is No-you cannot earn minimum wage and live in SB, and individuals who complain about that need to realize that just because you want something does not mean that you are entitled to it. Get a skill, become valuable, then you will make more than minimum wage.


 COMMENT 532157P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 07:55 PM

"...don't have a right to live here.", really? Wow, the arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Un-effing-believable!


 COMMENT 532160 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:52 PM

157P- let me try to clarify, simply because someone wants to does not mean that it is their "right" to live here. If you can afford to be here, terrific, if you cannot please dont expect that someone else will pay for you. Too many people think it is their "right" to live here...that is the point I am trying to make. Living in Santa Barbara is something that you get to do IF you can earn enough money to do so. Not, just because you want to. People do not have a "righ"t to live where ever they want if they cannot afford it, For example, I cannot live in Hope Ranch, just because I want to. It is not my "right" to live there while expecting someone else to fund my costs. However, I can see the confusion in the sentence as it is written.


 COMMENT 532161P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:54 PM

"To Close the Achievement Gap, We Need to Close the Teaching Gap
Now we have international evidence about something that has a greater effect on learning than testing: Teaching. The results of the Teaching and Learning International Survey (TALIS), released last week by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), offer a stunning picture of the challenges experienced by American teachers, while providing provocative insights into what we might do to foster better teaching -- and learning -- in the United States.
In short, the survey shows that American teachers today work harder under much more challenging conditions than teachers elsewhere in the industrialized world. They also receive less useful feedback, less helpful professional development, and have less time to collaborate to improve their work. Not surprisingly, two-thirds feel their profession is not valued by society -- an indicator that OECD finds is ultimately related to student achievement.
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. middle-school teachers work in schools where more than 30 percent of students are economically disadvantaged. This is by far the highest rate in the world, and more than triple the average TALIS rate. The next countries in line after the United States are Malaysia and Chile. Ignored by our current education policies are the facts that one in four American children lives below the poverty line and a growing number are homeless, without regular access to food or health care, and stressed by violence and drug abuse around them. Educators now spend a great deal of their time trying to help children and families in their care manage these issues, while they also seek to close skill gaps and promote learning.
Along with these challenges, U.S. teachers must cope with larger class sizes (27 versus the TALIS average of 24). They also spend many more hours than teachers in any other country directly instructing children each week (27 versus the TALIS average of 19). And they work more hours in total each week than their global counterparts (45 versus the TALIS average of 38), with much less time in their schedules for planning, collaboration, and professional development. This schedule -- a leftover of factory-model school designs of the early 1900s -- makes it harder for our teachers to find time to work with their colleagues on creating great curriculum and learning new methods, to mark papers, to work individually with students, and to reach out to parents."

The richest country in the world, is a mess as far as education, decent paying jobs, etc is concerned.

"Federal policy under No Child Left Behind (NCLB) and the Department of Education's 'flexibility' waivers has sought to address thi... [ more ]


 COMMENT 532162P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-01 08:56 PM

the more does not work - here is the rest of the post.

"Federal policy under No Child Left Behind (NCLB) and the Department of Education's 'flexibility' waivers has sought to address this problem by beefing up testing policies -- requiring more tests and upping the consequences for poor results: including denying diplomas to students, firing teachers, and closing schools. Unfortunately, this strategy hasn't worked. In fact, U.S. performance on the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) declined in every subject area between 2000 and 2012 -- the years in which these policies have been in effect."


Read and weep. Especially, after the ignorant, cheap shots that continue against teachers. The next time there is, I will repeat this post.


 COMMENT 532184 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 07:34 AM

Australia's minimum starting wage is $18 aus per hour plus free health insurance. Coffee, two eggs & toast $19


 COMMENT 532188P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 07:54 AM

Pure arrogance, no matter how you try and couch it.


 COMMENT 532189P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 07:54 AM

Nice for Australia! Any takers?!! Ship out! (seeYA!)


 MESARATS agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 09:51 AM

So GRITZ where should all the unskilled workers live? Should we ship them all to Taft and bus them in daily? The reality is that the minimum wage does not reflect the going rate being being paid between private parties in Santa Barbara for what is considered un or low skilled labor. When is the last time you picked up someone at the wall for a manual labor task? The going rate is about $15/hr. Housekeeping? $17-20 is common for someone good. Minimum wage workers and commenters on this topic are not asking your permission to live here nor are they asking to be subsidized to do so, that is something your are projecting. The only subsidizing going on is taxpayers picking up the tab for many basic services so large corporations can continue paying low wages.
Minimum workers are living here and doing so by working multiple jobs and/or living in shared spaces. So I guess the answer to the original question is yes, as people are doing it, but it is not easy.


 COMMENT 532242P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 10:37 AM

Of course not. I wouldn't have even bothered to ask.


 COMMENT 532305 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 01:58 PM

1440.00 a month for 8 hours, 5 days a week BEFORE taxes. Which makes it more like 900.00 a month. Rent is 750.if you rent a room in a house........
I'm able (barely) to pay all my employees (semi skilled food service labor) more than 9.00 and I am in wonder at how hard people work for so little...
Raising the minimum wage isn't the answer. Corporations & individuals who run their money like corporation need to start investing in small businesses that create local jobs....


 GARFIELD agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 02:36 PM

Government controls of prices and wages always have disastrous side effects.

When govt holds down price of goods, supplies dry up.

When govt raises the cost of labor, prices go up, and jobs go down. Increasing efficiency can hold down prices, but eliminates more jobs.


 ILIKECAKE agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-02 07:40 PM

I've read each and every response. My 1 cent: the answer depends on your Operating System. Capitalism? Blame & Dump? Decency (however defined?) My sadness is that so many of Edhat comments are like watching Fox News. A justification of the "Race to the Bottom", of bitterness to your fellow human being, of the morality of the dollar, and if you can't make it here, just go somewhere else. Seriously? Have not so many of our community members prospered via the labor of others? You sweat it out on the fields, or the streets, then just go away? SB, where is your soul? You gonna tell me M. Towbes of MB&T did not profit from cheap labor? Dario Pini? Tax-evading Ty Warner? That so many of our venerable capitalists followed the rules, instead of hiring the bs lawyers to juke the system? C'mon, SB, retain a bit of idealism, and perspective. RIP, Peter Sklar.


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2014-07-02 07:58 PM



 COMMENT 532516P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-07-03 11:02 AM

So I guess Home Depot can hire unlimited numbers of workers - maybe, 300, 400, 1000 locally?


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