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Motorcycle Cops Ticketing
updated: May 08, 2014, 9:00 AM

By Edhat Subscriber

Recently I was ticketed by a motorcycle cop for not making a complete stop. I have never received a ticket in my 50 years of driving and I know I made a complete stop. I am told that if I plead guilty and pay the fine , and go to traffic school it won't be in my driving record. I am wondering if any one has pleaded not guilty in this type of situation and had the case dismissed? It's my word against the police officer and I realize the city needs the money? If I knew the motorcycle had a camera I would definitely plead not guilty as I'm 100 per cent sure I made a complete stop.

Thanks for any advice.

Comments in order of when they were received | (reverse order)

 COMMENT 517383 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:12 AM

When it comes down to your word vs the cop's word, the cop wins every time. Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise. But if the cop doesn't show up to the trial, your case is dismissed.


 COMMENT 517386P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:14 AM

If you don't have any outstanding tickets, I would advise paying the fine and doing an online traffic school to take it off your record so your insurance rates don't increase.
Otherwise, it is definitely worth fighting the ticket. A similar situation happened to a relative (car...not motorcycle) and the ticket was dismissed. An officer has to appear in court to defend the ticket. This is costly overhead and there is a good chance that he/she won't choose to do so. Also, a judge can reduce the fine if you are found guilty. So, you may pay less.
You do not have to appear in court. California allow you to plead your case via mail. You ask for a Trial by Written Declaration. If you search for this term, you will find advice on how to complete the forms. County officials are familiar with this process.
Good Luck!


 COMMENT 517389P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:15 AM

Do fight it, go to traffic school if that is an option in your case.


 COMMENT 517390 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:17 AM

If you're not sure if you made a complete stop, you didn't.
Why would the cop make it up? He could wait 2 minutes and find someone else not following the rules of the road.
Pay the fine do online traffic school


 COMMENT 517392P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:17 AM

Dang, I meant to say 'do not fight it, go to traffic school...'

I clicked 'post it' to fast.


 COMMENT 517393 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:17 AM

It just depends if the officer's supervisor decides that they'd rather have the guy out writing more tickets than in court that day. If he shows up, I think you lose. But if you have the time, you might as well go to trial and hope he doesn't show.


 COMMENT 517396 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:24 AM

Just pay up citizen.
Its only money and time.
The city needs it more than you.


 COMMENT 517397P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:24 AM

Officer's don't make things up....... and they do go to court! Pay the ticket and improve your driving......


 COMMENT 517398 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:25 AM

Fight it, go to court is my advice. Many times the officer will not show up, and the case will be dismissed.

My wife was ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt. The absurd thing was that she was wearing a seatbelt. The officer was overbearing with her and told her that she put the seatbelt on while he was doing a u-turn to pull her over. This is absolutely not the case. My wife showed up in court, the officer did not, case was immediately dismissed.


 COMMENT 517399 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:25 AM

Plus, fighting it sends a message about writing bogus tickets. Yes there were plenty of other people to stop, but you were convenient.


 COMMENT 517402 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:29 AM

I think that even if you go to court and lose you still are able to go to traffic school and not have it appear on your record. If you have the time, go ahead and go.


 COMMENT 517403 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:32 AM

In many countries dash cams have become standard accessories for cars. We're getting close to the point where this makes sense here as well. Not only for these types of events but for almost every other potential issue. Soon cameras will make sure that every interaction with a police officer is recorded for future scrutiny. This cannot come fast enough as the police absolutely abuse their power and are often wrong. Nothing assures accuracy more than a video of the event.


 COMMENT 517417 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:00 AM

The number of commenters immediately believing that the officer is right is surprising!

Why the disbelief of the OP? He's says he's 100 % certain that he made a complete stop and apparently the officer is 100% certain also so the choice is to believe the officer & chastise the driver? Amazing!

Question Authority.

An individuals position in an organization doesn't automatically make them right.


 COMMENT 517420 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:03 AM

I may have seen more contested traffic tickets than most people outside the legal system , as I was a traffic hearing officer for several years. Oddly, although the myth is that officers "frequently" don't show up for traffic hearings, in my experience they virtually always DO show up for the hearings. Can you enter a "no contest" plea and request traffic school, rather than entering a guilty plea, since you strongly feel you weren't guilty? If you still want to contest the ticket, I advise you to get a copy of the statute you are excused of violating, because you may find you are indeed guilty of violating some portion of it. For example when people fight a speeding ticket (because they were going a slower speed than the officer estimates, but still over limit)they will be found guilty of speeding.


 COMMENT 517429 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:17 AM

No one has said the officer is right. Their point is if the driver has no evidence, then they will not win.

You can fight it, but just so you know, here is how it works. You show up to your court date, you'll see the judge and they'll ask how you plead. If guilty, you pay the fine and leave. You can save your time and do that from home.

If you plead not guilty, you still have to pay the fine right there. Plead only, there is no argument to be made here... you'll soon get annoyed because everyone before you will be trying to win there case here, which is the wrong time, wasting your time and annoying the judge.

They'll give you another date to return, face the officer and argue your case. You'll need more than saying the officer is wrong. You best hope is the officer fails to appear, which is unlikely because they're paid to appear. Good luck!


 COMMENT 517430 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:22 AM

Traffic citations are big business that generates significant. Some cops often lie to meet or exceed quota, and like referees in sports, they can often be WRONG in what they perceived.

Laying down belly up to authority is just what the system wants you to do.


 COMMENT 517431 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:28 AM

I had a "failure to make a complete stop" ticket 15+ years ago and another for stopping in an intersection of a red light (7 years ago) because a vehicle 3 or 4 cars ahead of me broke down, causing me to end up in the intersection when the light changed. Both were bogus tickets and I went to court. Cop didn't show up for either one. Both dismissed.


 COMMENT 517436 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:49 AM

It is very rare that I see people come to a 100% all wheel complete stop at sop signs in town. I, most of the time, come to a complete stop but I feel like I'm putting myself in danger of being rear-ended by doing this!


 SHOREBIRD agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:01 AM

I wish that the cops would ticket bike riders that blow stop signs.

I almost killed 2 of them last year.


 COMMENT 517446 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:14 AM

3 cheers to that Shorebird ! They never stop. I've even seen parents on bikes, with children on bikes following them, and they aren't teaching their kids to stop either.


 COMMENT 517453 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:26 AM

I agree SHOREBIRD! It's unbelievable how many bike riders do not follow the rules of the road - riding on sidewalks down one way streets the wrong way, blowing through stop signs. Then if you hit them they'll sue but the thing is, they won't win.


 COMMENT 517454 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:26 AM

Why in the WORLD people don't use Trial by Declaration is beyond me.

And for those of you who are almost always killing people, slow down and relax. Sometimes, run stop sign or not, it really isn't your world. You're just a participant in it.


 COMMENT 517464 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:44 AM

There is no money in citing homeless people for agressive panhandling.

There is lots of money in traffic stops.

Just sayin'


 COMMENT 517465 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:44 AM

50 years + legal driving age of 16 tells me you are at least 65 years of age, perhaps you should consider brushing up by taking a mature driver class for the safety of all, yourself included. AARP and most auto insurers have information on available programs. .


 COMMENT 517466 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:45 AM

Darn those bike riders.....I wondered how long before the rant against cyclists would start. Where does this hostility come from? Take it easy out there.


 COMMENT 517467 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:48 AM

Following up with Shorebirds post......

To be truly overwhelmed with the number of bicyclists not stopping at STOP signs, just head to IV.

I have had to sit in my car at a stop sign for over 5 minutes while herds of cyclists blow through stop signs...non-stop..

It's crazy.... and if you start to inch forward to get going, they give you stink-eye.... weird place.


 FLICKA agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 11:58 AM

In Carp we have blinking yellow lights in a couple crosswalks; I had a grandchild in a stroller and didn't step into the crosswalk right away or we'd have been run down by a herd of bikers in some event. No matter, they have to follow the rules, race or not.


 COMMENT 517470 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 12:02 PM

I went through this a few years ago. The cop didn't show up so I walked, but this is what I saw.

In the second hearing THREE of six officers didn't show up for their cases. So just by that I would say take your chances. But unfortunately the others were all found guilty.

The judge was Brian Hill and he explained to the losers that they needed proof that they were right, otherwise he would side with the officers. Here's something interesting, he asked them, "At the time did you insist that you were not guilty of the offense?"

Judge Hill did reduce the fine for all those that showed, but like others have said, your best hope is the cop not showing up.


 COMMENT 517474 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 12:07 PM

You cant fight it and do traffic school, that option is removed when you plead not guilty. Weigh that out. With no ticket history your insurance probably wont go up much, if at all.

Like many have said above, if you show up to court and the cop is present on your court date you will be proving your word against his/ hers. You might as well throw in the towel then.

Tip, dont go into court spouting off your anti-local goverment rant " i know the city needs money "

Guys gotta get over that, when ever something happens to you its not because the city needs money.


 COMMENT 517476 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 12:14 PM

I haven't been driving for 50 years, almost 40 actually, and I wouldn't trust my memory on something as subjective as coming to a complete stop at an intersection, stop sign or traffic light. If I'm focussing on traffic coming or going I may not be paying a lot of attention to whether I'm doing the California rolling stop or the one required by law. I'd defer to someone looking at me and what I'm doing rather than be so sure of my own actions when I'm not entirely focussed on them.

That said, however, if you can't afford the ticket 'coz of your fixed income it may be worth your while to see if the cop shows up to defend the ticket. It's a roll of the dice and you may not win.


 COMMENT 517480 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 12:25 PM

Or you could check with your insurance and find out if one moving violation in 50 years is going to make any difference. Often, one ticket won't affect your rate at all, and if that's the case, you might consider just paying the fine to save time, or pleading, "guilty with an explanation" which can result in a lower fine (but is totally up to the judge).


 COMMENT 517483 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 12:54 PM

@465, what's with the age related comment & how do you infer from the OP's posting that his driving skills need a "brushing up" as you put it?

He said that he is 100% certain that he made a complete stop. He hasn't had a ticket in his 50yrs of driving so that must mean that he needs to sharpen his skills?

I'm not suggesting that there aren't some mature drivers who could benefit from a refresher course but let's not make blanket judgments based soley on age and a recent citation.


 COMMENT 517486P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:11 PM

I don't believe we have online traffic school for Santa Barbara tickets based on the speeding ticket issues to my wife last week. The fact that it is an in person school is a big deterrent.


 COMMENT 517490 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:28 PM

What I'm hearing from many people who gave their opinion - is that the OP should be a sheep and pay up the fine - Because cops and government can never be wrong and police officers never bully or make mistakes.


 COMMENT 517492 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:31 PM

If you really stopped, why is there any question that you stopped? I've more than one copper tell me that you have to count to 3 before continuing, otherwise it is a rolling stop and therefore ticket able. He probably counted to 2 before you started moving again and got yah!


 COMMENT 517493P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:36 PM

Where was this and did the Officer give you the exact definition of coming to a complete stop? If you ever go through Hope Ranch very few stop and even less slow down.


 COMMENT 517494 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:38 PM

Fight it. Who cares if he shows up. If you are confident you made a complete stop, go to court. Take the time to make him accountable. You may lose, but it is definitely worth the effort. You can still opt for online traffic school (486 you are incorrect) if you do not prevail providing you haven't had a traffic offense in the last year.


 COMMENT 517495 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:42 PM

In my opinion, 517476 has the right of it. The defendant of course has the right to contest the citation in court, but I would add that it's not necessary to trash the integrity of the officer who issued the citation, who likely has a good faith belief that s/he saw what s/he saw and that the defendant committed the violation. But the place to argue the matter is in front of a judge, not here.


 COMMENT 517496 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:43 PM

I say fight it. It is not beyond SB cops to make things up - two years ago, I was issued a citation for driving while on my cell phone when I was not. I even showed the cops my call history and they proceeded to bully me and accuse me of lying.

Mine was easy to prove and I was found not guilty; I imagine yours will be rather difficult to prove. Best of luck to you.


 COMMENT 517497 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 01:49 PM

If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime


 COMMENT 517501 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:08 PM

I had this experience last year at the corner of Chapala and Haley. I made compete stop behind the line then went forward to make the legal left turn on red onto Haley. The patrolman on the bike was approaching in the left lane and had the buildings in his field of view so he had not seen me stopped. He assumed I did not stop and gave me a citation which was later dismissed. Just ask for a trial of declaration and give the facts. If you are still found guilty then you may ask for a trial before a judge. A big question is was he parked or moving when he made his judgement


 COMMENT 517506P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:20 PM

Cops do make mistakes. My daughter was pulled over because the cop thought she was on her cell phone. She showed her call record and was let go. Something similar happened to another daughter. She was using a headset that the cop couldn't see because of her hair. Rather than letting her go, that cop (CHP) ticketed for not having her registration & insurance. She had them in the glove box but was too rattled to find them and the cop was too impatient to wait. She sent in written proof later and that fine was reduced.


 COMMENT 517507 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:21 PM

483 you are the pot calling the kettle black..., where did you read that this was a man?


 COMMENT 517509P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:22 PM

a car just (about 30 minutes ago) blew by my son and I in the crosswalk with a school crossing guard holding a stop sign - SLOW DOWN SANTA BARBARA!!


 COMMENT 517510 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:35 PM

If you're certain, always challenge the ticket in court. Also, you have the right to cancel your court date and re-schedule up to three times, and guaranteed one of those will catch the cop on an off-day and he won't show up.


 COMMENT 517514 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 02:59 PM

@507, So you read through all of these comments and your take away was that @483 assigned a gender to the OP that may or may not be correct? Gender isn't the issue here, fair play by the Police is.


 COMMENT 517518 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 03:05 PM

Good job Shorey and others bringing cyclists into the mix. Can we bring up runners on the bike path yet?


 COMMENT 517520 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 03:15 PM

yes we do have online traffic schools for sbco tickets.Idid mine at lowpricetrafficschool,and when you take your final exam on line have 2 computers set up so you can double check any answers you are not 100 percent of on google because you get 2 attempts and must get 80%+ to pass not as easy as you think. Cost 23.00$ absolutly worth doing. Oh and it s no prior ticket 18 moths not 12 mine was for unning \ jumping red turnsig and speeding empty const zone while late or work.goleta motorcycle cop,verry professional and civil,the guy was alright .


 COMMENT 517532 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 03:49 PM

fight it for all of us!


 COMMENT 517545 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 04:26 PM

Cyclists are the absolute worst in this town. Many times, too numerous to count I've seen guys dressed like Lance Armstrong on $6,000 road bikes in the middle of Foothill road, yes enjoying the middle of the road expecting cars to line up behind them. Then there are the cyclists who like to ride on or over the white line on narrow lanes.


 COMMENT 517553 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 04:50 PM

They should stop calling them cops and call them what they really are "Revenuers" for the pension fund of dysfunctional bureaucrats.


 COMMENT 517557 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 04:56 PM

467, you do realize that Pardall Rd doesn't have a stop sign where it crosses the Embarcaderos in IV, right?


 COMMENT 517560 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:03 PM

To 517545 : I admit I ride my bike in the center of the lane on Foothill...various places between Nidever Rd & Casitas Pass Road. The outside is in horrible condition. I will move for a vehicle if the give me a little honk or I hear them behind me.


 COMMENT 517563P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:09 PM

This doesn't apply to OP, but for anyone else reading this after getting a speeding ticket, there are state laws about how speed zones are set. Traffic studies must be done on a regular basis to support the posted speed. You can find out whether a study has been done according to the state-mandated schedule in the area where you got your ticket. If not, then that is grounds to get the ticket dismissed. You can also challenge the officer's certification to use the radar detection equipment, as well as the certification of the equipment itself. Records must be kept on all of this. Having grown up in a state where every little town set up speed traps to generate revenue, I believe these laws and regulations are a good thing and keep police corruption in check.


 COMMENT 517565 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:10 PM

You may also challenge the ticket via trial by written declaration, where you write-in your challenge to the ticket. I've tried this, but I'm pretty sure they just have some lackey with a big rubber "GUILTY" stamp standing by to stamp your written declaration as soon as it hits the desk. My case was similar to yours, where I entered an intersection on a yellow light and I am 100% certain it was yellow, but an officer who couldn't even see the stop line from his position alleged that I ran a red light.


 COMMENT 517566 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:13 PM

You may also just STOP next time.


 COMMENT 517574 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:53 PM

Yes this is just a rant.. But why doesn't anyone use their turn signals? It's drives me freaking nuts. Is it that much of an inconvenience to let fellow drivers know what you're doing?


 COMMENT 517575 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 05:54 PM

There's no need to stop at a stop sign for any specific duration. CA vehicle code 22450 does not specify any amount of time, just that you need to stop at the line. I've got a pet peeve about coming to a full stop behind the line (and have seen police vehicles that didn't share my strict adherence to this) so if I was stopped for this I would have no doubt that the officer was incorrect.

Anyhow, just wanted to dispel any notion that you have to stop for 3 seconds, or any specific amount of time. Come to a stop, check the intersection, proceed when it's clear.


 COMMENT 517580 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 06:07 PM

I just about always feel the car's motion forward stop and give it another second or 2 to feel the suspension stop the motion of the car... Sort of like a jerking action.

After a while driving my own car which I know well it is automatic and done without even thinking.

That assures anyone who is paying attention that my forward motion stopped.


 COMMENT 517582 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 07:00 PM

While we're on a rant, why do birds suddenly appear every time you come near?


 COMMENT 517604P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 09:33 PM

Hahaha...this brings back memories of my daughter's rolling stop when she was a new driver. She was required to go to driving school, and a parent was required to accompany her (that would be mama!). People were asked to state their infraction, and most were "Going 55 in a 40" and "going 75 in a 60". My daughter was "Going 2 in a 0". It was a good experience. I wasn't entirely on board with the ticket, but it was what it was and she did have affirmed that "STOP means STOP!".


 COMMENT 517611P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-08 10:37 PM

483 - I agree. Also, I took a "mature driver" class, didn't learn anything new, and my insurance only went down about $1 a month! Most importantly, the class is all in the classroom - no behind the wheel training.


 COMMENT 517619P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 12:41 AM

My attorney friend once asked me, when I told him I had been done a great injustice and wanted to fight my moving violation by going to court: "Would you pay $100 for a cup of coffee?"

How much is your time worth? You have already suffered enough stress. If you go to court (as I did) and the officer shows up, the judgment will go against you.

In my case, the officer denied he had a ride-along in his car. He did. He didn't remember me having a 110-lb dog in my car. I did. The officer said he was next to me, in his vehicle, when I ran a red light, while turning left---AFTER having stopped! He was not next to me, but far to my right, on another street. I was never stopped. I went through the intersection on the yellow, with plenty of time. (Try to imagine NOT seeing a patrol car right next to you, while stopped at an intersection . . .)

He lied to the judge, making up such a ludicrous story that, if I could have had the judge visit the intersection where I supposedly ran a red light----the judge would have known there was no way I was stopped and then proceeded to run the red light. I would have been t-boned by oncoming traffic.

I had to pay the fine. It still rankles that the officer lied. I didn't listen to my attorney friend. Best to pay the fine and be done with the citation. You know what you did or didn't do. Spare yourself the extra grief and let it go.


 COMMENT 517630 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 06:54 AM

Every time I have fought ticket I've won. you will still need to pay the fine until its cleared and they send you $ back after.


 COMMENT 517632 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 06:57 AM

when you come to a stop sign, you stop, count to three, then carry on. I found out the hard way when I was taking my first driving test. I slowed down, and slowly rolled through the stop sign, FAILED test.


 COMMENT 517635 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 07:11 AM

Glad for this discussion - I will certainly be more careful at stop signs!!


 COMMENT 517636 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 07:16 AM

We've all bin der. Just pay da ticket and move on.


 QUEENDI agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 07:45 AM

If you have the time, go to court and see if the cop shows up. If he doesn't, you can walk.


 COMMENT 517654P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:02 AM

632: YEP! I've been driving for 32 years (ticket free) and I always still count in my head from my Driver's Training class in high school...one-thousand-one-one-thousand-two...that is what we were taught was a complete stop. ;)


 COMMENT 517661 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:15 AM

Stop signs provide a critical safety component to our system or traffic. Who cares if someone blows through a 4 way stop? Maybe someone else that goes for it at the same place/ time?
The "all about me" attitude is what causes most of the accidents.....


 COMMENT 517662 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:16 AM

545, as a cyclist, I agree that we need to obey the laws and treat others like we want to be treated. Most of us are drivers too (I've gotten pretty mad at my fellow riders before).

BUT, per the law we are allowed to take the lane if the bike lane is not safe. Often the bike lane is completely full of glass, tire treads, road kill, etc. We would crash or flat if we stayed in there. Also per the law, motorists must give riders 3ft of space. If there isn't 3ft, then the driver must wait until the rider can move over. When you step back and consider it, how much does it really delay you to wait for the cyclist to go around a road hazard? 5 seconds? Less? Is it worth possibly injuring or killing someone's parent, child, spouse, or friend to save that tiny amount of time?

Cyclists, we must be responsible. Obey traffic laws, don't ride side-by-side unless there's space, and so on. We will always lose a run in with a car, so give respect to get respect.


 COMMENT 517666 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:26 AM

Depending on the attitude of the cop who pulls you over you can often get just a warning if your honest and polite with him or her. Behaving defensive and denying guilt (even though you may have very well been innocent) will only make the cop more agitated and eager to write you a citation. and That's been my experience in my 30+ years of driving. Remember "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".


 COMMENT 517672 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:37 AM

397P: you're funny. You think cops don't make things up. The first thing cops are taught in the police academy is how to lie under oath. This gives them the opportunity to give tickets without being scrutinized.


 COMMENT 517675 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:46 AM

Bicyclist rarely obey the rules of the road. Running through stop signs is one of the more egregious violations routinely occuring. But the politically correct, "green", "sustainable", "I am better than you cause I ride a bike crowd" are some of the most arrogant obnoxious users of the streets and roadways there are. Their politically correct special interest lobby was able to get the fools in our Sacramento legislature to enact a law recently prohibiting cars from getting closer than three feet from a bicycle. Even a novice vehicle driver can see the patent absurdity in that law which, if challenged, would most likely be thrown out as being void for vagueness and virtually undefinable in everyday traffic situations. (unless the bicyclist received the ticket)


 COMMENT 517678P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 08:53 AM

A Trial By Written Declaration takes virtually no extra time. You do NOT have to go to court. It's the best option for people who have had another ticket within the last 18 months and so can't repeat traffic school. There's nothing to lose in trying.


 COMMENT 517683 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 09:14 AM

Cops lie all the time.

Fight it. Go to court. The declaration has become an easy "Guilty" stamp.

We have a cop who lies in wait...I stop fully and 1.2.3. then proceed at our stop sign. And yes, I fear a rear-ending with that as the other fella mentioned.


 COMMENT 517685 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 09:19 AM

675 - What does your comment have to do with the OP's question? If you have a rant about cyclists or any other group you wish to single out and stereotype, it may be best to start your own topic, or add to 1 of the previous debates. You'll find loads of supporters and opposition to engage with in a more appropriate place. I'm not advocating for bikers or drivers in the everlasting, exhaustive debate, would just prefer it didn't permeate every traffic related thread as it provides little benefit to this particular topic.

OP, you may be in the right and stopped fully, but you probably won't win the case in court or change the way the officer conducts business even if you do win. If your time is important and you don't have prior citations, it would be easiest to pay the fine, attend traffic school, and move on. It's easy for a cop looking at an intersection to see if the wheels come to a full stop, just like officials in sports, sometimes they get the call wrong. Best of luck.


 COMMENT 517688 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 09:32 AM

@ 501 there is no such thing as a legal left on red on Chapala at Haley.


 COMMENT 517698 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 10:09 AM

I got a non-stop ticket while I was driving under 10 miles/per hour at a place where no cars or pedestrians nearby. I swore I stopped, but a cop emerged from nowhere and gave me a non-stop ticket and claimed that he had me on his video camera. I asked to show me the video, but he refused. I went to court and he was there. He showed me the video then, but I could not tell how I made a right without stop and from which angle he taped me. He would not show me the second time. He presented the video to the judge. The judge looked at it and did not seem to be able to make out what was going on. I stood up to present my case by starting "as a good citizen who always abides by law..." The judge shut me up right there and said "even I sometimes forget to stop, we all do." and then gave the fine and the traffic school.


 COMMENT 517716 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 10:52 AM

675, please do not consider all cyclists as being the same, it is an unfair stereotype. Some of us do our best to obey the laws and encourage other riders to also.

As for 3ft, try being on a bike sometime and having someone come by at 55 close enough to feel the wind off their mirror! Or even 45, or 35, or 25. It's scary. I know my wife wouldn't want to get the knock on the door that I'm never coming home because someone couldn't move over a little bit. And I could be your neighbor or friend.


 COMMENT 517723 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 11:07 AM

Just wondering... Did this happen downtown? Was the officer's name Nakagawa or something similar? He ticketed me. I'm going to court & fighting it. I just saw him stop TWO different people
within 10 minutes. He let the second one go, a female, who was
obviously flirting with him.


 COMMENT 517727 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 11:21 AM

@688, there absolutely is a legal double left from southbound Chapala left onto eastbound Haley. I believe there's even a sign there letting you know you can. And, thanks for letting me who sits in their car in front of me waiting for the light to change...


 COMMENT 517731 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 11:37 AM

Lot of folks here like to bash cops. Sure some of them should not be wearing the badge but most do there job professionally and risk their lives for us everyday.


 COMMENT 517741 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 12:22 PM

@723, the officer I think you're referring to was originally a regular-duty SBPD officer but was not assertive enough to do the job well, so they moved him to traffic citation duty.


 COMMENT 517779 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 03:18 PM

California stops, i.e., not stopping all the way is against the law, stop and look both ways then proceed, simple as that and there will be much less accidents. You can't be in that big of a hurry in life to be unsafe on the roads.


 COMMENT 517781 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 03:20 PM

688 & 727, do you mean Anacapa and Haley? In which case, yes, double left turn possible. Chapala is a 2 way street where it intersects Haley and therefore, a double left is not a choice.


 COMMENT 517811 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 05:02 PM

Good Grief! I knew what 501 was talking about even though the person said Chapala. If you bother to read the post of 501 and picture the intersection described, of course it's Anacapa.

And this is my first comment about 501, 688, 727, and 781.

(wouldn't it be easier if Edhat went back to named handles?)


 AUNTIE S. agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 07:13 PM

I agree with Shorebird. I almost creamed a couple of cyclists last week too. But be careful if you are trying to cross State Street in the midddle of the block, even though the traffic light is with you. I pushed the button, the other day, the little walking man came on, all the cars stopped for me and out of nowhere came a bike whizzing by at about 25 mph just inches from me. Could have caused serious damage, if not killed me.


 PARKIEP agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-09 10:20 PM

A couple of years ago I had a ticket. The lady at the window where you go to pay, or say you want a trial, told me if you go to trial and lose you can NOT then request traffic school. One msg above says you can, another msg above says you can not. How can we find out which is correct??


 CORKY agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-10 03:47 PM

I am very aware of the need for a complete stop, and am very careful, yet I have had friends or family driving behind me saying I didn't, so I can't see the point in contesting, as it's pretty much a judgement call.


 COMMENT 518097 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-12 06:23 AM

Another thought for those commenting about how bad cyclists are - I'm sure you and all of the other drivers you know and see always obey every traffic law?

Au contrair, I'd guess drivers are a lot worse as a group than cyclists when it comes to following the laws. Breaking the speed limit, not stopping at crosswalks, cell phone use, Ca. stops, running red lights, DUI! I bet if we had the data to compare # of violations per average distance trip, drivers would violate 10X as much as cyclists. Anyone going over 65 on 101 is breaking the law. . .which is almost everyone.

Think about it.


 COMMENT 518164 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-05-12 10:07 AM

And @582 for the win!!

Nicely played, thank you all for coming.


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