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Sick Passengers on Cruise Ship
updated: Apr 09, 2014, 10:20 AM

Update by the Public Health Department
April 9, 2014 10:14am

Public Health Responds to Norovirus on Cruise Ship

Takashi Wada, MD, MPH, Director and Deputy Health Officer for the Public Health Department, made a personal visit on board the Princess Crown Princess ship this morning where he found all proper steps were being taken to support the health and safety of passengers and the public in Santa Barbara.

The Public Health Department was contacted regarding a number of cases of gastrointestinal illness among passengers. Dr. Wada communicated with the Centers for Disease Control, the Public Health Manager for Princess Cruises, and the Harbor Operations Manager for the city of Santa Barbara to assess the situation. He boarded the ship upon its arrival in Santa Barbara and spoke with the medical officer on the ship. Dr. Wada found all to be cooperative with a common goal of supporting the safety and health of passengers and the public.

Dr. Wada found that the Princess Cruises is taking all of the necessary precautions and were taking proactive steps with all passengers and crew. Heightened sanitation protocols have been instituted and the ill have been isolated in their cabins. Dr. Wada supported the decision to allow healthy passengers to disembark in Santa Barbara.

The Public Health Department wants all of those visiting Santa Barbara today to have a happy vacation. We wish those who are ill to have a speedy recovery.


Original Report by an Edhat Subscriber
April 9, 2014 7:56 am

Does anyone know more about the cruise ship arrival in SB today? I read an article about 30 passengers ill from a norovirus on this ship. Are they coming ashore or not?

Photo and text below provided by an edhat subscriber:

Admittedly, I am one of the anti-cruise ship crowd. This morning, I could hear today's ship's horn blowing from our house on the Westside. As I rode my bike to work, I stopped by the beach near Stearns Wharf to see which ship this one is. I have to admit, this is by far the best looking cruise ship that I've seen. I am not sure of its name, but it is probably something like Celebrity Mist or Sapphire White Pearl or something like that, given its looks. Here's what it looked like at 7:30 this morning.


By Edhat Subscriber

Here is today's cruise ship at 3:00pm from the Riviera.

Send this picture as a postcard

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By Brett Cambern

Fog Parting for Cruise Ship

It took a while but the fog eventually parted for the cruise ship this afternoon. Hopefully it made all the sick passengers on board feel a little better.

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‘Sick' Cruise Ship Headed Toward Santa Barbara: 3 Dozen Possibly Ill with Norovirus on Cruise Ship (04/10/14)
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 COMMENT 509695 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:01 AM

They won't be able to come ashore as long as this fog is here. I have read that the tenders don't have radar, and so are not allowed to set off in the fog. I can't even see the ship today.


 COMMENT 509700 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:06 AM

I just saw this mentioned on Good Morning America although they said the ship was still docked in SF.. so maybe they're a bit behind.


 COMMENT 509701P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:06 AM

also, all ill passengers are confined to their own cabins.


 COMMENT 509705 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:12 AM

But don't worry the ship will still dump their crap in the water.Flush twice it's a quarter mile to Santa Barbara.


 COMMENT 509709 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:16 AM

I've been sick on a cruise ship before, didn't tell anyone because I wanted to see all the stops. Rest assured, it will come ashore.


 COMMENT 509711 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:18 AM

I've offered a new advertising slogan to all of the cruise lines, but, curiously, none of them has bitten:

"A Beautiful Cruise PLUS All the Food You Can Blow Out Your _ _ _!!"


 COMMENT 509713 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:19 AM

Doubtful the sick passengers will come ashore. However their norovirus invested feces will be dumped into our local waters. ick


 COMMENT 509717P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:26 AM

how close can they dump their waste water? how about currents? YIKES! ... hello, Surfrider?


 COMMENT 509718 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:26 AM

709, that's another good example of the mentality afflicting Americans today. "To heck with everyone else, I want my fun regardless of the risk to myself or others."


 COMMENT 509720 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:28 AM

I'm the guy who took the foggy photo above. Last weekend, I was chatting with one of the security guards working at their arrival point, near Sea Landing. I was surprised to learn that he was from Long Beach. Given all the PR about how great these ships are for the local economy, I was surprised to learn that security is provided by an out of town firm. (Maybe there are no local qualified firms?) You'd think the powers that be would try to keep that pot of cruise ship gold in local hands.

After a ship left a week or so ago and the canopies and fencing were removed, I was surprised to see a number of plastic zip-ties left scattered about on the sidewalk by Sea Landing, obviously detritus from the dismantling of those canopies. Given the controversy about the environmental impact of the ships and the debate as to whether they should be here or not, I'd think the company that erects the canopies (and the organizations that encourage the cruise ship visits) would bend over backward to 'leave no trace behind'. I spent 15 minutes cleaning up their trash.


 COMMENT 509721 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:28 AM

Just keep the sick ones confined to the poop deck.


 COMMENT 509723 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:29 AM

Thank You Frank!


 COMMENT 509724 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:30 AM

Great comment, Rex!


 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:36 AM

It looks like the Mist to me.


 COMMENT 509733 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:38 AM

They are all disembarking in Santa Barbara, so no one is left confined to their cabins. Watch out! The Norotourists have arrived.


 COMMENT 509735 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:38 AM

Enough with the sewage dumping lies people. Surfrider and other ocean groups always monitor the area and do surprise testing of the waters. If you are just anti-cruise ship then just say so, don't make up stories.


 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:47 AM



 COMMENT 509747 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:04 AM

I work in the industry and have first hand information not based on rumor and innuendo. All of the sick passengers are confined to their cabins. The cruise ships do not dump anything in our channel.


 COMMENT 509749 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:10 AM

Stay away from where they are unless you want it too.
I think we should refuse them entry.


 COMMENT 509750 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:11 AM

Wow, there are some silly scaremongering people in SB.
Any idea how many disease carrying tourists drove into town today?
This is a tourist town! If you don't like cruise ships you really are in the wrong place. ie - don't live on the coast, ANYWHERE.


 COMMENT 509752P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:18 AM

WHO calls the current ebola outbreak in West Africa "most challenging." Given that it's extremely contagious and 90% fatal that's an understatement. How long before a cruise ship - a closed steel egg perfect for incubating viruses in human hosts - becomes the vector for something really, really nasty along our coast? Easier travel + easier access to/for more of the developing world = greater risk of nasty surprises, whether ebola or a new flu or ?


 COMMENT 509754 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:20 AM

If I was a restaurant owner along the waterfront I'd post a notice that any cruise ship patrons must be wearing heavy-duty (or doody) Depends before entering my establishment.


 COMMENT 509758 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:30 AM

How many people do you think might have a norovirus infection (looks like food poisoning or intestinal flu) in the general population of Santa Barbara on any given day? Probably more than 30....


 COMMENT 509761 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:33 AM

The alarmists are working overtime today.


 COMMENT 509764P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:35 AM

No aloha, kissing or hugging allowed as they wander around town! Ewww - yuck.


 COMMENT 509765 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:37 AM

754, would you be using the one finger pull or the two finger pull to check?


 COMMENT 509766 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:43 AM

You are hearing the fog horn at the harbor entrance, not the ship.


 COMMENT 509769 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:50 AM

Along with the rogue RV dwellers who dump their fecal tanks directly into our waters as well, these cruise ships are a major threat to the cleanliness of our local waters. The sick passengers should be quarantined and not be allowed to spread their cruise ship plague to our town.


 COMMENT 509772 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:52 AM

"Santa Barbara County Public Health Department will travel out to the Crown Princess and evaluate the outbreak response prior to anyone disembarking," -- Santa Barbara Waterfront Department official

Harbor operations manager for the city of Santa Barbara will make the final call after consulting with the public health representative on "whether all measures have been taken to prevent future illness." -- Mick Kronman


 COMMENT 509773 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 09:55 AM

The norovirus is already going around Santa Barbara right now. 4 people I know had it last week. It lasts about 12 hours, and it is just awful!


 COMMENT 509776 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 10:01 AM

Don't lick doorhandles. Don't touch payphones and use your foot to open the door in public restrooms. If you see someone cough immediately call the CDC! Immediately proceed to your bunker with a three phase filtration system. Pray that your generator is gassed up and hope that if it is gassed up the gas did not go bad. Where a hardhat too because the sky is falling and your bunker may not have the strong enough rebar to resist the impact. Its for the children...


 COMMENT 509789P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 10:16 AM

When did Mick Kronmann become and expert in these matters? Credentials please!


 COMMENT 509794 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 10:32 AM

Let's just wait a few days and see what happens, if anything. As pointed out, there is already Norovirus, not to mention Hepatitis, AIDS, and other diseases right here among our local citizens all the time. Keep up your immune system and take routine measures to stay well -- you might still get noro or food poisoning or another g.i. bug, though, as that's just part of life. Luckily we live in the 21st century and have better medical remedies than ever.


 COMMENT 509798 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 10:52 AM

"Cruise officials believe the cause of the illness is Norovirus."

Norovirus infection is characterized by nausea, forceful vomiting, watery diarrhea, abdominal pain, loss of taste, general lethargy, weakness, muscle aches, headache, fever, and causes over 200,000 deaths each year.

Noroviruses are transmitted directly from person to person and indirectly via contaminated water and food. They are extremely contagious, and fewer than 20 particles can cause in infection (some research suggests as few as 5). Toilet flushing and vomiting cause the viruses to be spread through the air. In one incident, a person who vomited in a restaurant spread infection to 52 other diners. An infected person can remain contagious for many weeks after symptoms have subsided.


 COMMENT 509800 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:00 AM

I'll be avoiding downtown for the next week!


 COMMENT 509802 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:03 AM

@800-- me too.


 COMMENT 509804 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:08 AM

Maybe we should consider closing our airport, bus station, train station and highways. After all sick people may be arriving by any mode of transportation to visit our city. BTW, millions come down with Norovirus every year. The number that come down with it on cruise ships is a tiny fraction of 1%.


 COMMENT 509808 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:16 AM

Ahhh so maybe what I had over the weekend was the norovirus, could have gotten it from the gym, most of the poeple there don't bother to wipe off the machines. Anyways, people get the flu all the time and everywhere so get over it folks... I'm amazed that more people aren't sick considering the major weather changes we have been having. Wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze and all will be well.


 COMMENT 509811 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:20 AM

Too much tourist $$$ to be made from these visiting cruise ships. Residents can deal with a little contagion from time to time..


 COMMENT 509815 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:39 AM

Santa Barbara is run by a bunch of bozos that think they are in charge.


 COMMENT 509819 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:52 AM

808 - The flu is a respiratory illness caused by influenza virus and is not related to Norovirus.


 COMMENT 509821 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:56 AM

Great logic Shakey - if it's run by them, they are in charge


 COMMENT 509823 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:58 AM

789P, the way I read it Mick Kronmann was stating a health department official, Dr. Wada was transported to the ship. It never said Mick was an expert.


 COMMENT 509824 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:59 AM

This is the Zombie apocalypse. They are moving up State Street chanting 'Eat their brains and go to the funk zone."

Be afraid. Be very afraid!!!!


 COMMENT 509831 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:07 PM

Sailor- It was the ships fog horn we heard. Way louder than the wharf or mesa horns(which were also active) I for one am glad they use their horn when under way in thick fog!


 COMMENT 509833 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:09 PM

If for whatever reason there is an outbreak & it's traced to the ship & norovirus....take these 'officials', put them on that ship & be done with them. Absolute insanity to value profit over public health.


 COMMENT 509835P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:19 PM

I think Frank H. Should personally welcome each passenger, shake each one's hand and give each one a welcoming peck on the cheek.


 COMMENT 509838 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:23 PM

Cruise ships have been visiting the California coast for many, many years. Why this hysteria? I suppose all those objecting here have never taken a cruise, never been up the inland waterway to Alaska. Why does anyone think that the California coast and waters belongs to anyone but California as a whole! Last I heard, visitors, aka tourists, were welcomed here.

Perhaps next will be hysteria about Amtrak passengers disembarking in Santa Barbara and Goleta!

As for the claim of waste dumping, old — and false — "news". Btw, those concerned might want to contribute to ChannelKeeper that does monitor the waters.

(Thanks, Patrick, for picking up the trash. Also, the amount of litter, bits of plastic, along the beaches and shore, generally, is just outrageous, especially so after the last storms; hopefully, those in charge of the sidewalks by Sea Landing will check regularly. We're a messy species: I live near an elementary school and daily pick up litter.)


 COMMENT 509843P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:44 PM

So along the lines of tourism, how do Edhatters feel about the radio report that SB Film Festival is expanding to include a 5-day summer festival?


 COMMENT 509847 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 12:49 PM

BRC.... isn't it funny how some topics just trigger the hysterical venting response among some folks. There are half a dozen of these topics and if you could bet on the quick responses by some of our friends here you could make a handsome living.


 COMMENT 509848 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 01:04 PM

BRM - Just a routine cruise ship full of sick people, what's not to like about that? It's not 'hysteria' or 'paranoia' when it's true.

If you pay any attention, the locals don't need, want, or even like the cruise ships; the city administration has an insatiable appetite for easy tourist cash.

Enough is enough.


 COMMENT 509849 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 01:05 PM

Another grand cause of the under-occupied raises it's head. Get back to work....sheesh.


 COMMENT 509854 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 01:22 PM

Speak for yourself. Plenty of locals have no problem with the cruise ships, and many people derive income from the influx of visitors.

This is a tourist town, always has been, always will be, and all locals know it. If you can't accept that fact, you really need to live elsewhere.


 COMMENT 509856 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 01:26 PM

Right on Shakey ! I don't know anyone who thinks the "overpopulation" of S.B. by tourists is a good idea except for the few owning restaurants, motels and downtown shops ! We were doing just fine in the years when the locals mattered more than tourist $$$$$. Can't remember a time when S.B. wasn't prospering, and I've been her since 1950 ! It's sad when news reports begin with "shopping news" for whatever holiday has just occured ! "It's the 4th of July and sales have been up in downtown S.B." Such BS.
Our water rates will be going up while tourists are pouring water down the drain and making us sick...


 COMMENT 509879 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 02:32 PM

I'm a local and I like the cruise ships. I also do not own a business of anything that might benefit me directly from the cruise ships. #shoplocal


 COMMENT 509889 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 02:57 PM

Why can't they just clean the friggin' ships more thoroughly! It's obvious they are slack on the cleaning detail because this is ALWAYS in the news. Oh, wait, they clean all the surfaces in every cabin with the same rag, just like they do in hospitals.


 COMMENT 509902P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 03:33 PM

Anyone got stats on how much moolah the cruise ship passengers actually bring to SB? Do these touristas purchase much more than a t-shirt?

BTW: A "healthy" ship of passengers is a very different beast than one with "fifty" (latest count I saw in press) sick as dogs passengers.This isn't apples/oranges. This is apples/50 highly contagious passengers. Who's to say the "healthy" ones won't be hit by the noro as they stroll down our street and into our shops & restaurants, spreading the joy to all?

I enjoy seeing the big ships, but am not sure they are a plus, in any way, to our fab little town.


 COMMENT 509905P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 03:41 PM

843p -- thanks for the news. I think it's great, a fest of foreign, French, this year! I just checked the website and it will be July 16-20. Great, that is, if the tickets are not expensive.


 COMMENT 509910 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 03:51 PM

I like the ships too and I stand to make no money from the passengers.
Weirdly insular attitudes some folks have, I'm glad most people I know and meet in real life SB are more welcoming and sharing.

Heaven forbid a boat load of people in need landed on our shores, needing assistance. The edhat board dwellers would shun them.

Entitled bigotry isn't attractive even anonymously.


 COMMENT 509912 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 03:54 PM

Great, we are going to be busy at work. I work for a doctor and the norovirus is extremely contagious. Avoiding downtown is not going to help because residents who do go downtown go everywhere else. Wash you hands, wash your hands, wash your hands!!


 COMMENT 509913 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 03:55 PM

The city of SB has all sorts of stats on how much money the cruise ships bring in. Go to the City website and search for "cruise ships" and you'll see all the reports.

Bottom line: In addition to the money the passengers spend, the cruise ships pay $5 a head to the City just to come here, plus $1500 to the PD for traffic control. (And, people who enjoy a location they visit while on a cruise will often plan to return and stay longer.)


 COMMENT 509926P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 04:17 PM

Similar to the situation in Santa Barbara, the cruise ships that visit Avalon "ruin" it while there. I normally time my trips to Catalina to avoid the cruise ships, but they arrive more frequently now, so that is getting harder to do. While anchored offshore (whether in Avalon or SB), their generators spew a lot of exhaust that surely is dirtier than than that produced by power plants that have regulations, emission controls, etc. I don't think a whale has ever been hit by a power plant, but there are documented cases of whales being hit by cruise ships. I have never taken a cruise and don't ever plan on taking one; I see them as one more indicator of a culture of excess and waste. The only benefit for SB and Avalon is for the business owners and the marginal tax monies. I'd rather pay higher property/sales tax than have the ugly stinky disease ridden cruise ships offshore.


 COMMENT 509928P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 04:20 PM

913 - Good points, although much of the money the Waterfront gets goes to staff time for all the effort required.

Probably most people now in Santa Barbara came first as visitors (or their families did) and much of the hostility to the cruise ships and their passengers sounds like nimbyism. Look at area cities that are not tourist destinations and compare Santa Barbara. We do have choices where to live, here or elsewhere! If we don't want tourists, then we should live elsewhere, imo.


 COMMENT 509934 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 04:25 PM

926P YOU have to take a boat to get to Catalina!
YOUR boat or ferry also "spews" a lot of exhaust. Why do you get to visit and scoff at others when they do?
Just because their boat is bigger?
Listen to yourself


 COMMENT 509936 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 04:26 PM

The love boat is not so excitng and new in SB anymore.


 COMMENT 509953 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 05:03 PM

Even after Waterfront expenses, the City is making money from the cruise ships:

"To date, Fiscal Year 2014 fees charged to the Waterfront Department have totaled $53,500 for the eleven cruise ship visits. Total net revenue seen by the Waterfront Department in Fiscal Year 2013 totaled approximately $252,000 and the first part of Fiscal Year 2014 totaled approximately $154,000."

The cruise ships not only are generate revenue for the City, the additional expenses the City incurs are mostly for staffing, which just means more more money going into the paychecks of community members who will then spend it on rent, groceries, etc. which further helps our local economy.


 COMMENT 509976P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 06:00 PM

It's funny to see our special anti-vaxxer commenting about public health concerns. But, then again, most of his posts are comedic.


 COMMENT 509980P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 06:10 PM

Freeman and all the other alarmists - Chill guys!

You're more apt to get sick on land or for sure, flying inside one of those metal tubes with pointy ends called airplanes.

The cruise ships DO NOT dump one drop of anything unless somebody drops their cocktail overboard.

Believe me, these ships are under the microscope when they even venture near land.

The waterfowl leave more bacteria in the Bird Refuge as do the turtles at Alice Keck Park. Go heckle them!


 COMMENT 509986 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 06:27 PM

Obviously quite a few people do not ever question authority, it absolves them of all responsibility. Kind of like putting your head in the sand. Blind leading the blind comes to mind.


 COMMENT 509992P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 07:58 PM

I think 926 might sail to Catalina, in which case he/she doesn't spew anything.


 COMMENT 509994P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:08 PM

I don't know any locals, including me, who like the cruise ships. It started with one or two per year about 15 years ago - this year there may be thirty!! enough. They are a blight on our waterfront. I had been meaning to look into it and finally did today with news of the virus. I called the city and learned that no vote of the city council resulted in these visits! The harbor, the downtown organization, and other private groups have been encouraging the visits. The cruise ship tourists spend about 1/4 the amount that day visitors and overnight visitors do. If we who do not like the ships do nothing, we will have one a week.........then one a day. Enough.


 COMMENT 509995P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 08:13 PM

Do Catalina-bound sailors know what is required to moor in the harbor? A staff member takes a dinghy out to your vessel to affix a dye pack to the "outflow" to make sure you as the vessel owner and occupants...do not dodo at the anchorage.


 COMMENT 510011P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-09 11:48 PM

I think that what is at heart here is that we are all stressed out for one or more reasons and we do not have the luxury to get the flu and be sick and weakened by it whether it is ourselves, or having to care for someone else infected by it. Personally, if I miss my job for longer than a day my position is now in jeopardy. I cannot afford that hanging over my head, so do I suck it up and go to work and infect others, or stay home trying to get well, but stress about it the whole time? I know I wish that those who are infected would stay home, but times are tough and we are all supposedly in this life together and need to drop all the pretense and BS and help one another rather than push each other down. Just sayin...


 COMMENT 510013P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 12:02 AM

And further up in the news is how there are 16 known cases of TB in Santa Maria that public health has been keeping "under the radar" partly for reasons of political correctness, some of the afflicted being undocumented and, beyond that, a subset of Hispanics - except, not speaking Spanish, they're not Hispanic or Latino.

Apparently, few care about what is much more serious, TB.


 COMMENT 510037 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 07:52 AM

Even if 926 sails to Catalina (6-10 hours each way) very difficult crossing and does he/she dump mid channel?

He gets to visit but the cruise passengers shouldn't be allowed?
How is that fair, would he rather 1500 extra individual boats in the harbor.
ridiculous, you do not own this coast. everyone has the right to visit. Where does this sense of entitlement come from?


 COMMENT 510065P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 08:56 AM

980, how DO they get rid of their toilet waste? Does somebody know?


 COMMENT 510074 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 09:07 AM

065P The waste is pumped out when docked at major ports.
Safely and responsibly by waste management professionals.
Then transported to waste management plants just like chemical toilets, septic tanks are emptied. Not rocket science.


 COMMENT 510125P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 11:59 AM

Echoing 013P, norovirus is nothing compared with the outbreak of drug-resistant TB in the county. (See Indy story.) This has been kept way too quiet. With all the concentrated living arrangements, immigrants determined to keep low profiles away from authorities, and unsanitary homeless encampments, a highly communicable disease spread by a cough is nothing to sneeze at! In more communal societies like China and Japan, they know proximity breeds infection so sick people wear surgical masks to avoid spreading diseases to others. That won't happen here. If anything, a few people might put on masks to protect themselves. Makes one think twice about going into crowded places.


 COMMENT 510149P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 01:58 PM

How can you help but be cynical about taking officials at face value?

(CBS KPIX, San Francisco) “none of the sickened passengers left the ship when it docked in the city on Monday.”


(KSBY) "Anybody who was expressing symptoms of being sick, they were not allowed to come onshore," said Dr. Takashi Wada, director of the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department.

But, today there is a CBS article quoting Karen Candy stating that there are now 94 passengers and 23 crew sick on the ship. When it docked we were told 37 passengers were ill.

And CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook explains "When you get the virus you can be infectious for a couple of days before you even have symptoms, for an average of one or three days," he said. "You can be shedding the virus in your stool for days, or even weeks later."

The math and pathology would indicate that that in both San Francisco and in Santa Barbara, there must have been quite a few symptom-less infected people leaving the ship.

I understand that this virus comes and goes, it’s currently rampant in Las Vegas and other places. It’s not the end of the world that some contagious folks disembarked. We should all be more conscious of hygiene when there’s any contagion on the upswing. I’m bothered by placating statements that necessitate reading between the line to gauge the true impact of a situation. The sugar coating is what makes me queasy.


 COMMENT 510152 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 02:06 PM

There are symptom-less infected people wandering around Santa Barbara (and SF) every day of the year. At least the cruise ship passengers had to be seen by a doctor before disembarking, which is a LOT more than anyone can say for Greyhound passengers.


 COMMENT 510155P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 02:23 PM

152 - point taken and understood. I am not unduly concerned about the potential for transmission, as you say - lots of bugs out there. It was the intimation that we were to believe (I think) that the virus was confined to the ship.

Sorry, I'm still cranky from trying to figure out how the first victim of the 2001 anthrax scenario supposedly contracted inhalation anthrax from drinking water from a North Carolina stream while hiking. Nothing to see here folks was Secretary of HHS Tommy Thompson's message.

But maybe the public needs the sugar coating.


 COMMENT 510223P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-04-10 07:52 PM

065P- How do they get rid of toilet waste?


When they get to port it's all pumped out to the proper & legal place. They PAY for this too, so "no free lunch."


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