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Plane Over Mesa
updated: Mar 20, 2014, 4:21 PM

By Edhat Subscriber

What was that huge plane that flew over the Mesa at about 4:15 pm? Dark gray and seemed low.

Update by Edhat Subscriber

Here's a photo of a C-17 that landed at the airport today.
My friend saw it coming in as I was leaving work so I drove over to the airport and there it was.

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Pic of big plane that took off today at 6:45

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A reader saw this huge plane flying low over the Westside; it wasn't Air Force 2 or a commercial flight. Anyone know what it was? [pic] (03/23/14)
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 COMMENT 504558 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:31 PM

Reentry of the missing flight MH 370? I'll throw something out there. What if the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth? And now the plane has reentered?

 

 COMMENT 504562 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:36 PM

I appreciate science fiction as much as the next person, but... Come on.

 

 COMMENT 504563 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:38 PM

C-17 here as part of a VIP visit tomorrow.

 

 COMMENT 504568 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:39 PM

A 777 has a limited amount glide capability... it would've crashed long before it even got to Africa.

Something big did fly over the coast of Goleta. We assumed it was Frontier's Airbus coming in from Denver. But there was a C-17 parked on the ramp at KSBA today.

 

 COMMENT 504573 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:48 PM

Who is the VIP?

 

 COMMENT 504574 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:50 PM

Who's the VIP that rates a globemaster for vehicle transport for their detail?

 

 JAD agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:50 PM

The big, dark grey plane was probably a C-130.

@558 - No MH370 could not just keep climbing. The service ceiling for a 777 is 43,100 feet. Much higher than that and the engines quit.

 

 COMMENT 504578 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 04:55 PM

Hmm according to the FAA Restrictions the VIP will be the VP
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_8917.html

 

 COMMENT 504584P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:03 PM

And as usual Noozhawk has the whole story up

 

 COMMENT 504585P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:05 PM

Yep. I love Edhat, but don't let it be your only source of news.

 

 COMMENT 504588 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:21 PM

Why does a plane have to bring several black SUVs for his visit? I get that his car has to be bullet proof, but several? Wouldn't it be cheaper to send a few guys to rent and thoroughly check out cars here? Seems very expensive way to travel.

 

 COMMENT 504590P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:22 PM

558 - Never studied physics, eh?

 

 COMMENT 504591 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:26 PM

588, the US sends it's own Helicopters and Cars anywhere the President and VP Travel. Just a matter of policy.

 

 COMMENT 504603 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 05:55 PM

558, gravity does not end in space. It diminishes with the square of the distance between objects, and in low Earth orbit it's about 90% of the force on Earth. Only at a specific speed in orbit, the craft is falling continuously and moving forward at the same time, so within the inertial reference frame (to objects inside the spacecraft) there is an appearance of zero (or micro-) gravity.

 

 COMMENT 504604 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 06:10 PM

Definitely not a C-130, which is a four-engine turboprop. This is very likely a C-17 jet transport.

 

 COMMENT 504608 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 06:27 PM

MH370 could not go fast enough to reach escape velocity and would've burned up on reentry if it could have. The shuttle had those special tiles for a reason.

 

 COMMENT 504609 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 06:34 PM

The Vice President is coming to town.

 

 COMMENT 504615 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 07:01 PM

At JAD: Not only do the engines lose their ability to process the fuel due to lack of oxygen, but the thinness of the air no longer gives enough lift. If one were to "rocket" a 777 above whatever the proper name of THAT limit is, it would soon go below it one way or the other (maybe a skilled pilot could cruise it down safely again).

Or so I remember from physics all so long ago.

 

 COMMENT 504617 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 07:08 PM

Saw it coming in for a landing at SBA around noon. It was an intimidating sight to say the least.

 

 COMMENT 504620 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 08:03 PM

@558, the Malaysian plane vanished as a result of an alien abduction. No one's talking about this - it's all very hush-hush. Even now agents are kicking down my doors, arghhhh...gottta run!

 

 SWARFMASTER agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-20 09:09 PM

563 is right it was a C-17 I've been on one.

 

 CORKY agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 07:02 AM

I saw that. It was spooky. Looked grey or dark green and very low and slow moving. That wasn't Biden was it? No time to read comments right now.

 

 CORKY agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 07:04 AM

I don't think jokes about the missing airliner are appropriate.

 

 SB & TAHOE agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 07:16 AM

I am surprised that SBA's runway is long enough to accommodate aircraft of that size.

 

 COMMENT 504692 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 07:49 AM

558 I am assuming those theories were tongue in cheek. As one gets higher and higher in the atmosphere the air get thinner and thinner. This not only affects the engines and their thrust, it also affects the action reaction of their thrust (Newtons 3rd law of Physics) Less push and opposite reaction. Thinner air provides less lift for the wings which lift differential between the top and bottom of the wing caused by airflow and is why a plane can fly, Obviously less airflow over the wngs in the thin air of higher altitudes equals less lift. When a plane loses lift it goes down, not up.
Rockets can leave the earth because at high altitude and space, they do not need air for their combustion, their thrust is produced by fuels that carry their own oxidizers.

 

 COMMENT 504725 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 08:41 AM

VP Bidens limo and staircase for AF1

 

 COMMENT 504732 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 08:50 AM

Don't forget that runway was lengthened a few years ago (to include a safety zone) so perhaps that really does allow larger plans to land even though SB Airport claimed that wasn't the intent. Disclaimer: I know nothing about the landing/stopping requirements of a C-17.

 

 COMMENT 504737 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 08:57 AM

Joe Biden

 

 COMMENT 504744 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 09:07 AM

732 - you are thinking along the right track. Military transports tend to get used in wars and wars are often fought in places without wonderful runways, so the C-17 and just about any other military transport can land and take off on "unimproved" runways of surpassingly short length and from paved runways with amazingly thin surfaces.

The safety zones at the ends of runways often are unpaved or thinly paved to the point where a loaded 777 might be able to land on it but doing so would break up the surface and make taking off again impractical. Kinda like the jumbo jet that got lost a couple decades back and landed at Hawthrone airport instead of LAX - they had to strip the runways, reinforce the base, and put down new jumbo jet capable layers of concrete before the airline could get their plane back in one piece. Took over a year as I recall and a lot of private planes were stranded for a while.

 

 COMMENT 504753 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 09:20 AM

If you did manage to get an airplane into orbit you wouldn't be able to control it; you need atmosphere just to steer, let alone run the engines.

 

 COMMENT 504805 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 10:39 AM

I have to admit..... I learned something new, actually a few things. Thanks for explaining about the runways, how tough *ss the C-17 is and the logic of the atmosphere and why a plane wouldn't be able to go to outer space. That way really cool thanks guys.

I saw the C-17 fly in, it was totally AMAZING, once I saw four Harrer Jets land, I thought I was in HEAVEN!

Oh yeah, it for Biden he'll be her today and tomorrow.

Have A GREAT weekend everyone!

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-21 12:36 PM

To The MOON Alice!!!

 

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