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updated: Feb 16, 2014, 10:20 AM

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A neighbor's teen age son just received a quad copter with a GoPro camera system for his birthday. I know, nice present indeed.

He's mastered the flight portion quickly & it sails around the neighborhood & other places in town as he has fun with his GoPro video system. Obviously he's not out on an NSA spy mission, but a neighbor up the street said if he sees "that drone" over his property or even near it, he's going to drop it out of the air with one of his many guns. The guy IS serious, so that's rather ominous.

Question: Is that legal? Can you ever legally discharge a firearm inside the city other than for life or death protection purposes? Would the boy & or his folks have recourse to recover damages for the copter & camera system?

Comments in order of when they were received | (reverse order)

 COMMENT 495272 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 10:38 AM

Get a drone and have "Drone vs. Helicopter War." This would be Youtube GOLD!

 

 COMMENT 495273 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 10:39 AM

No, it is NOT legal to discharge a firearm within city limits. Also common sense dictates you do NOT EVER fire into the air in a residential area.

And yes, the son would likely have an action for damages under tort law - trespass to chattels or conversion if completely destroyed and rendered useless. Also, possible intentional and/or negligent infliction of emotional distress depending on the son's proximity to the gunfire.

I'd tell your neighbor to chill out or move to that town in Colorado where they sell drone "hunting licenses."

 

 COMMENT 495274P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 10:42 AM

This is not a question for edhat, they should immediately call law enforcement and file a report. It's illegal on several levels and the "serious" neighbor should will findthat out. He may also discover the threat can have a impact on his owning guns.

 

 COMMENT 495275P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 10:47 AM

Find an area to fly the GoPro where it does not annoy neighbors. It is the peaceful and neighborly thing to do.

I would be highly annoyed if a noisy GoPro flew over my home, especially if I were sick or taking a nap. Not to the point of using my non-existent gun, but definitely a complaint.

Be considerate.

 

 COMMENT 495278P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 10:55 AM

An automatic BB gun should be able to take it out. If you don't get caught, how will you be liable?

 

 ECHO agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:07 AM

There are two sides here. Of course I feel it is wrong for a neighbor to threaten to shoot in order to handle this situation, however, I also think it is a lack of respect on the boys part as well. I expect a level of privacy while I'm at home. I realize my front yard is more public. I would be upset to find a helicopter with a video system buzzing around my back yard. I wouldn't be happy with it in my front yard, but would feel like there wasn't much I could do about it. Is the boy flying this down the street, or is he venturing over yards and homes? I think if he's doing the latter he should speak to his neighbors and find out how they feel about it. Even though he may not be a spy, the device still has a camera on it. It would probably be to his beneift to also speak to an officer himself to see if he's violating any trespassing laws if he flies this over someones property. If the neighbor continues to make threats, thats something worth documenting.

 

 COMMENT 495286 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:19 AM

Someone just flew a drone right over our house. Very loud, like a weed wacker right over our house! Could be the same kid whose folks go told him to fly it in Parma park, which we are near but, obviously, not in. Does he live on Coyote rd? If he is in the county area someone may shoot it down. Is there no regulation on these things? One kid with one will lead to many people with the annoying invasive things. We don't appreciate it and if it continues we will try to stop it.

 

 COMMENT 495290P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:29 AM

Yup a bunch of us in my hood have the SAME problem with an inconsiderate neighbor who does the same thing. It REALLY ticks us off. It's not that we have anything to hide in our yards but we feel uncomfortable sun bathing and using our jacuzzis in the buff because we don't know why exactly he hovers over our yards. We have seen him flying it over our yards late at night as well and it has night vision. I agree that the front yard has no reasonable expectation of privacy but many of us have spent a fortune on our BACK yards attempting to make them private. It's just sort of creepy.

 

 COMMENT 495291 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:35 AM

I really understand where the angry neighbor is coming from, though threats involving a gun seem excessive and scary and like a non-productive way to communicate his frustration. I would feel like my privacy was being invaded and be very upset if I saw a GoPro or any other recording device around my home or even if I was in a public place and I saw someone recording me. Flying the drone over peoples homes is very disrespectful- people have a right to peace and privacy. In my opinion, the family who is allowing their teenage kid to fly this ridiculously expensive birthday present near other homes is the bad neighbor here.

 

 COMMENT 495294P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:41 AM

Is it legal to shoot an air rifle in the city? One should have enough power and range to take down a drone.

 

 COMMENT 495295P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:42 AM

What would Ashleigh do?

 

 COMMENT 495296 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:43 AM

Drones are very loud and annoying, but not illegal, so get used to it folks. We no longer have privacy. EVERY time you log on to your computer it is logged as well as EVERY site you visit. How about that GPS tracking device called a cell phone that most of us carry. It's hard to believe that our every move is triangulated even when our cell phones are turned off. Now the government is requiring GPS installed on all new cars starting in the very near future. Don't worry about the drones you can see people, it's the drones you cannot see because they are the size of a fly.

 

 COMMENT 495297 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:51 AM

It is trespass to fly anything over a neighbor's property like that. However, that does not give the neighbor on whose airspace someone is trespassing to defend with deadly force. The kid would likely have no recourse for the damage to his property since he is in the wrong, but the neighbor would face criminal penalties for discharging a firearm like that. So, play nice everyone. This kid's parents need to teach him more respect for others.

 

 COMMENT 495298 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:56 AM

Find out what model of drone it is. Buy a control unit for that model. Take control of said drone and then make it crash.

 

 COMMENT 495301P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:09 PM

slingshot

 

 COMMENT 495302 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:11 PM

All you can legally do is moon it.

 

 COMMENT 495304P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:14 PM

Will we now surrender our privacy to some jerk 14 year old peeping Tom like we have to Google and the NSA? "Just one more assumed right nibbled away...live with it. Civility is dead. It's 1984+30." Enough. Drones need to be licensed like guns and regulated like motor vehicles. It's a dangerous fad, both in the hands of inconsiderate voyeuristic hobbyists and cowboy commanders-in-chief. Remote controlled snoopy neighbors and joystick assassins flying flatscreens from easy chairs have both gone too far.

 

 COMMENT 495305 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:18 PM

It's electronic! Get a spigot to the 150 PSI city water pressure and a narrow nozzle and spray it out of the air above your property. In order for him to view anything with any great detail, it would have to be low enough for you to hit with a high powered water jet.

 

 COMMENT 495306 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:20 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right...

 

 COMMENT 495307 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:27 PM

Just to clarify....they aren't equipped with cameras. You have to buy it separately and install it to use the camera. We fly ours every day....no camera. Don't assume.

 

 COMMENT 495308 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:29 PM

Paintball!

 

 GRITZ agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:39 PM

Simply because you can do something does not mean that you should. It would be responsible of the parents to teach their son that using technology appropriately is a key element of owning it. The son does not need to use this go pro drone in his neighborhood, we have so many wide open spaces, that he can go somewhere to fly it where it is not invasive;. the parents are lacking here. To the gun owner who believes that the only response is to shoot it, well that person is liable, and does not have the right to do that legally, but he is expressing severe annoyance with the lack of responsibility from the parents. The kid isnt the problem here....it is the parents who give their kid something and then set no parameters on use. Also, some people fundamentally believe they can be as loud and as obnoxious as they want in their home...bothering everyone around them. This is just a high tech version of that. I would have someone talk to the boys parents, and they should be able to find somewhere else for him to fly that noisy drone.

 

 COMMENT 495312 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:40 PM

Agree with 305.

If I saw one hovering over my yard I would hose it. Serious invasion of privacy.

 

 COMMENT 495313 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:46 PM

Of course it would be illegal.

 

 COMMENT 495314P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:55 PM

If the drone has a camera, it is illegal to take pictures of someone in their back yard or anywhere there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. Not only is it a criminal offense in California, the person whose photograph has been taken illegally can sue the person taking the photos for invasion of privacy. If that person is under 18, the parents can be sued for negligent supervision of a minor. Parents do have a legal duty to supervise their minor children.

 

 COMMENT 495316P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 12:59 PM

Of course, an air rifle, slingshot or high pressure water is a quicker, more efficient and much more satisfying solution to the problem.

 

 COMMENT 495317 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 01:25 PM

Monofilament line works well if you have a place to string it............

 

 COMMENT 495322 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 01:41 PM

There is too much noise already without GoPros and even worse, the forthcoming Google Drones.

 

 COMMENT 495323 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 01:42 PM

A really nice, modern & accurate slingshot should take it down quite well. The parents of this kid are severly lacking parenting skills.

 

 RUDOLF THE RED agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 02:20 PM

Get your own drone. Drone warfare in urban environments is inevitable. Trick it out with everything you want, just remember to start with one that can handle the payload you will eventually want. I like the idea of a mothership with a deployable swarm of smaller drones. To defend the mothership of course.

 

 COMMENT 495331P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 02:29 PM

Wow, all this talk of shooting and drone warfare is kinda scary - last summer there were stories on the web about software that was under development that would allow the user to hijack intrusive drones - would be a lot safer than trying to actually shoot one down.

 

 COMMENT 495332 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 02:31 PM

314P... that also applies to government agencies and personnel. It is illegal (and a violation of the 4th Amendment) to conduct surveillance without a warrant and a court order signed by a judge. Has nobody busted the NSA etc etc. for such flagrant and criminal activity because we've morphed into a nation of sycophants and fawning prissies, on our knees to authority?

 

 COMMENT 495347 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 03:14 PM

That would be considered making terrorist threats. I suggest calling the police and letting them talk to him. That way, you may not at least hear threats like this again.

 

 COMMENT 495351 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 03:56 PM

1. Paintball is legal and can down a drone
2. Any action I take falls under self defense and is legal.

3. I like sport of drone spying, but encourage all fellow spies to be respectable in their technique.

 

 COMMENT 495353 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 04:06 PM

351 - self defense from an RC toy? Come on.

I mean, you do all realize that your neighbors can most likely peek into your backyard anytime they want, right? They go up to fix their roof, trim hedges on a ladder, heck, maybe just look over the top of your fence...

If the kid isn't flying over backyards AND taking photos of the backyards, then there is no invasion of privacy. Flying up and down the street is not a crime.

But, shooting guns into the air in a residential area IS a crime.

 

 COMMENT 495357P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 04:34 PM

But, how often does that happen? Every day? Come on.

 

 COMMENT 495362 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 05:09 PM

Slingshot, +1. Get biblical, baby - eye for an eye.

 

 COMMENT 495367P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 05:37 PM

I can just imagine the fun that will ensue when someone shoots down a "toy" quadcopter and it turns out to be police property - it'll get "biblical" then, won't it?

 

 COMMENT 495368 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 05:38 PM

What if someone were having sex or nude sunbathing or smoking out of their bong I'm pretty sure his parents wouldn't want him capturing that kind of content he should stop flying over peoples back yard it's the same as climbing over the fence. Illegal.

 

 COMMENT 495371P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 05:51 PM

367P, you best brush up on your biblical history.

The Lord cast down entire nations, let alone a city police force.

 

 COMMENT 495374P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 06:02 PM

Huh? I was playing off another poster's comment, not preaching.

 

 COMMENT 495379 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 06:29 PM

Report that lunatic to the police/sheriff. The threat is completely out of proportion to the situation. A reasonable response would be, "Please don't fly that thing anywhere near my house." That's how a rational person would act and it would probably get him exactly what he wants. Someone who goes immediately to threat of property destruction with a deadly weapon needs a visit from law enforcement.

 

 COMMENT 495381P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 06:37 PM

Noise. Privacy. The right to be left alone. Since the government no longer seems to understand these things, more citizens are thinking they may have to take the law into their own hands. If they don't care that their lack of respect for our rights is illegal, we shouldn't have to care if our activity is illegal too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but sometimes you have to shoot back.

 

 COMMENT 495382 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 06:39 PM

OP - can you please tell us whether he is indeed flying over peoples' backyards? The amount of ungrounded assumptions here is crippling. It comes down to this simple fact. Here are the 3 scenarios:

If he was flying over backyards (and not taking photos), then possible trespass and/or nuisance by the kid.

If he was flying over backyards AND taking photos of the backyards, then (in addition to torts in 1st scenario) possible invasion of privacy.

If he was NOT flying over anyone's backyard, then maybe it could be a "nuisance" but NOTHING more.

In either of these 3 situations, if the neighbor were to fire a gun at the radio controlled quad-copter, then it would be a criminal offense.

It's pretty simple. You cannot shoot guns in a residential area. Even if it's in the name of "defense" of your rights to privacy or against trespass, firing weapons in a residential area poses a risk of human harm/death that far outweighs the protection of these rights.

 

 COMMENT 495383 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 06:40 PM

Mr. Poster - you should not post something that will elicit the spectrum of comments like you did. think deep down inside and do the right thing, your kid is doing the right thing. if the wacked out neighbor shoots it down, just think of the next post/question you can ask? now look at me I am all caught up in it too...

 

 COMMENT 495389P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 07:04 PM

I have not lost any rights.

Apparently from 2001 onwards, it was stated that if I have nothing to hide, I should not worry. I don't have anything to hide.

That saying, property rights are still valid last I checked. And just as it is illegal to go on another person's property, so should it be illegal to go over another person's property.

However, that infringement does not mean breaking the law to punish. The only thing that should be shot, is a photograph that can be used to file a complaint - the normal way a civilized country behaves.

 

 COMMENT 495392P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 07:18 PM

Currently, it is perfectly legal for an amateur (hobbyist) to overfly private property at a height of up to 400 feet with a remote controlled UAV, camera or no.

 

 COMMENT 495399P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 07:34 PM

Our laws are stuck in the miracle of flight from the last century. It's crazy to have unregulated drones flying willy nilly, and it's about time someone figured noise controls should apply to aircraft as much as cars and motorcycles. We're in awe of 'flying machines' and so let them get away with pollution and making a racket over residential areas that nothing stuck on the ground could any more.

 

 COMMENT 495401P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 07:39 PM

Just sayin' that a lot of emotional talk about shooting things out of the sky, doesn't really amount to logic.

 

 COMMENT 495403P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 07:51 PM

I hope the Amazon drone delivery never happens. More noise on top of what we already have. Unbearable.

 

 COMMENT 495407 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 08:12 PM

Rather than using lasers to blind pilots, not invading your privacy, would they screw up the optics of the go pros?

 

 COMMENT 495408 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 08:13 PM

To the uninformed, the Go pro is the camera and it makes no noise. the drone has propellers and it makes the noise.

 

 COMMENT 495412P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 08:27 PM

I have a quad copter and occasionally fly it in my neighborhood but I am especially careful not to fly it low over a neighbors backyard. If you take it up over 150 or 200 feet you can't even hear it. The camera is good but at that height not good enough to really see much that people should worry about.

I am and we should all be aware that if we have a neighbor who is annoyed by such a thing than let's just find another place to fly it.

And please do not fly them low over neighbor's houses and especially not low over their backyard. That is just rude.

Please be considerate and don't ruin things for those of us just out to have some innocent fun by annoying people unnecessarily.

 

 COMMENT 495440P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-16 11:46 PM

Oh great. Now we have "eyes in the sky" being run by 14-year-olds and wannabe 14-year-olds.

Please don't fly your noisy toy over my backyard. I enjoy my peace and quiet . . . that is, when my loud and obnoxious neighbors aren't home. (GRITZ: please buy the house next door to me and be my good neighbor. I long for the day these jerks sell and someone like you takes up residence.)

RUDOLPH: You made me laugh so loud, I think I woke up 1/2 my household. Oops. Funny.

And, I *hope* I never have to set my water hose gun to "jet" and knock some electronic pseudo spy device out of the sky, but I will if I have to. Birds and bees, ok. Mini helis and drones, not ok.

 

 COMMENT 495446 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 06:23 AM

Report the gun owner as making threats. Full SWAT response. Then find the kid and stomp his copter into the ground. Drones are killers; witness the guy who killed himself catching his r/c helicopter.

Expect to hear lots more on the subject over the coming years. After all we've entitled ourselves to disregard others for our personal benefit.

 

 COMMENT 495447 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 06:31 AM

Legislation governing quadcopters, et al, is coming in a year or so. But for now they are legal. So if caught destroying one of these with your gun, you COULD be charged with:

1. Unlawful discharge of a firearm. $1000+ in fines and lawyer fees, and you lose your firearm.

2. Felony vandalism. The quadcopter + camera cost about $800 - $1000. Anything over $400 is a felony. Any decent lawyer can get this knocked down to a misdemeanor, but in the meantime you are paying that lawyer $400/hr. Expect several more thousand dollars in fines. Probably no jail time. Unless you already have a record.

Moral of the story is that by threatening to shoot someones toy down, you lose all deniability after the fact. Don't tell anyone you are going to do it. Just shoot it down. It will be very difficult for neighbors to pinpoint a single shot. Multiple shots, yes. But not a single shot.

 

 COMMENT 495454 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 06:48 AM

295P - Ashleigh would reach for the shotgun based on his behavioral history . . . and he would get busted for it, again.

305 seems to have the most appealing idea.

Keep in mind that flying a copter in a crowded residential area can cause many of the same hazards as firing a gun into the air (especially a shotgun with light bird-shot) in addition to the noise and privacy concerns. THe quad copter may be legal, but it should be flown with some respect and common sense.

 

 COMMENT 495458 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:14 AM

This thread points out the need for effective legislation. Certainly more sensible than the recently enacted and totally silly law requiring vehicles to stay three feet away from bicycles, (a feel good totally, unenforceable and special interest boondogle).
All airplanes and helicopters are restricted in the lowest altitude they may flyand are required to have very visible identifying numbers. This is both a safety rule and one intended to prevent annoying noise, etc. A law prohibiting drones and like craft from flying lower than 200 feet in residential areas and prohibiting "hovering" or remaining over residential property for longer than 30 seconds without the owners permission would be a solution and could be proven by video camera evidence. This could be accomplished by amending section 415 of the Califonria Penal Code (disturbing the peace) or section 602 (tresspassing.

 

 COMMENT 495459 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:15 AM

Good topic! Lots of great back and forth. Sounds like we will still need lawyers and cops for a while....and what to do when we have flying cars...."hey stay off my yard!"; "quit hovering over my roof!"....can't remember how it worked on the Jetsons. Sounds like great fun ahead..

 

 COMMENT 495466P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:49 AM

Wouldn't want one hovering anywhere near our house - the noise apart - it would be like having an airborne Peeping Tom. Ghastly things; hope they're prohibited much sooner than later - and what can we do to hasten that?

 

 COMMENT 495468 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:52 AM

no, it is not legal for someone to fly their DRONE which has a camera in, out, and above someones backyard. it is an invasion of privacy, and the person, or persons can be prosecuted.

 

 COMMENT 495470 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:55 AM

Quad Copter $500, GoPro $200. That's a pretty nice birthday gift! In my neighborhood I'm concerned with the number of tennis shoes on power lines, not privileged brats flying $700 toys.

 

 COMMENT 495472 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 07:55 AM

The city is probably not going to waste time and effort on new legislation that restricts these quadcopters because the FAA is currently working on new laws.

 

 COMMENT 495484 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 08:29 AM

All arguments aside, drones are the future, especially for public safety agencies. In addition, many companies are exploring the use of drones for commercial purposes as well. Better use of energy would be to lobby for reasonable regulations regarding the use of drones, both public and commercial.

 

 LUCKY 777 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 08:49 AM

If he was a deviant at the beach taking pictures of sunbathing women you can bet he'd get a talking to. If he films something "interesting" like a nude sunbather in a backyard oh hell yes you can bet it'll end up on YouTube, after which there is no recourse for removal from the collective memory. Stand for privacy.

 

 COMMENT 495494 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 08:56 AM

We own the air space up to 1000 feet above our homes. It is illegal for him to fly it in that zone. Above that I don't know.

 

 OBLIGED agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 09:15 AM

Is it "invasion" or "evasion" of privacy?

 

 COMMENT 495505P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 09:22 AM

494: Do we really own our air space up to 1,000 feet above our homes? I'd never heard of that before. Where is that written?

If there is a statute stating that then that would add to this conversation.

 

 COMMENT 495506 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 09:25 AM

274P I find that most chilling of all. Both points actually. We are becoming a nation of rats.

 

 COMMENT 495531 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 11:11 AM

494 - You are incorrect. A landowner's air rights extend only to a height in which the landowner can reasonably (and legally) develop property. We in Santa Barbara are limited to building to a height of 45 or 60 feet, depending on where you live.

A landowner has no right to disallow access to its air space for any aircraft that is under control of the FAA or US govt. Currently, these small toy drones are not governed by the FAA, so you would have a valid complaint should someone fly a drone right over your house. But if they fly it high over your house, then there is really nothing you can do about it. For now. Stay tuned.

 

 COMMENT 495550 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 12:00 PM

What ? ! You're telling me that its perfectly legal for any number of people to fly a noisy drone over anyone's back yard & film whatever they want to & then post it in YouTube !!!

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO ?

 

 COMMENT 495553 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 12:09 PM

@495458

This thread also points out the need for education in critical thinking from an early age.

 

 COMMENT 495560P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 12:39 PM

Didn't Colorado pass a law allowing the homeowner to shoot a drone out of the sky over his property? I imagine that combined with their marajuana legalization would make for interesting times.

 

 COMMENT 495571P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 01:08 PM

Actually, it was a town in CO - google 'Colorado town drone hunting' - it's an interesting story.

 

 COMMENT 495574 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 01:21 PM

550 - Yes, it is currently legal to do just that. Which is why legislation is sorely needed.

 

 COMMENT 495586 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 02:29 PM

As 553 said, there is need for education. The GoPro cameras are wide angle cameras. They normally don't reveal as much as the NSA satellites. If the Quad is low enough to hit with a water hose, it is too low. The invasion of privacy is largely a red herring. Present day quads use battery power and they do not make much noise. If noise is a problem, address priority issues like conventional airplanes. I hope we don't chase all the educational opportunities indoors.

 

 COMMENT 495653P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 08:09 PM

I like 446's response.
560P, wait until marijuana dispensaries in Colorado begin to use drones to deliver their product.
I abhor violence and threats of violence. Its taken me many years of life experience to understand that my guns stay locked in the safe unless specifically taken out to shoot at paper and clay targets at a legitimate shooting range or to be cleaned. I only discuss my firearms in a positive light and view them as tools.
Many people have not gotten this far with their lives. But then again, if more of the population had the variety of experiences with firearms that I have had, their opinions would have more merit.

 

 COMMENT 495657P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-17 08:48 PM

I don't see how anyone who abhors violence could condone sicking the SWAT team on anyone - it may not be wise to threaten shooting down some kids toy, but that doesn't justify the usual police overkill.

 

 CORKY agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 08:35 AM

Golly, lots of mixed responses. First, I think the neighbor should definitely be reported, if he has many guns and a short temper. Second, I'd alert the family to make sure it wasn't flown over that guy's house. Recently, a man was killed for throwing popcorn at another man in a theatre, and a guy killed a teen-ager for playing his car music too loud. I know, both of those things had been really annoying, but people carrying guns often take the easy way out when confronted with people they feel are being rude or irritating.

 

 COMMENT 495693P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 08:53 AM

Just to remind everyone, the guy who killed the popcorn thrower was a retired cop - like I said, it would be best to avoid the usual police overkill.

 

 COMMENT 495697 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 09:00 AM

I'm a wrinkled old lady, and if someone flies drone over my backyard taking pictures I'll get even. I'll take my clothes off !

 

 COMMENT 495779 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 12:08 PM

The police do not engage in "overkill". Rather in a number of situations where there may be a potential danger to officers or the public, good strategy is to present a very strong police presence. This discourages persons from attacking or violently engaging the officers, fleeing, or otherwise making poor decisions based on a belief that they might get away with it because there is only one or two officers to deal with. If an officer spots a car on a roadway that was just reported to have been involved in an armed robbery, for example, they would wait to initiate a traffic stop until there were 5 or 6 back-up cars in place. This safety strategy is one which not only protects the officers but discourages the robber from "shooting it out with the police.

 

 COMMENT 495786P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 12:26 PM

Your argument is nonsense - the police certainly do engage in overkill - nearly every town in the country now has a SWAT team and an armored car. It is now common practice to use the SWAT team to serve warrants for even minor offenses.

Now why do you suppose the police feel the need to call out the SWAT team for overdue library books and unpaid parking fines? Because there's simply NO need for most PDs to have a SWAT team, and they have to justify their existence somehow - this is overkill in every sense of the word.

Santa Maria just reinstated it's SWAT team - I'm not sure, but I think the old SWAT team was disbanded because it shot 2 of its own officers during an encounter with a drug dealer - shooting your own guys is definitely overkill.

BTW, the retired cop who shot the popcorn thrower was Mr SWAT team - the personification of overkill - shooting someone for throwing popcorn.

 

 COMMENT 495812 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 01:44 PM

Please provide evidence of a SWAT team collecting overdue library books. Do not make hyperbolic fantasy a lynchpin of your argument, it discredits the entire thing.

 

 COMMENT 495838P agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 02:33 PM

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could probably find a case, but how about the SWAT raid in Oakland for unpaid student loans/fraud? How about the SWAT raid in LA county for selling unpasteurized milk? Or the SWAT raid in Wisconsin because some animal rescue had a baby deer? Or the SWAT invasion in Goleta because some kid smacked his mom with a tennis racquet and might've had a gun?

Almost none of the things SWAT teams are used for are actually justified - and it certainly wouldn't be justified to send SWAT to some guy's house just because he threatened to shoot down some kid's toy. The fact is that SWAT teams are a bigger threat to public safety than the threats they were created to deal with, and the fact so many police officers are killed or injured by SWAT proves it

 

 COMMENT 495859 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-18 03:06 PM

The SB SWAT team came to my friend's house and arrested her at 5am. Her supposed crime? They accused her of backdating some insurance documents to collect $10,000 from an insurance company.

Does that sound like a crime that the SWAT team needs to be in on?

The DA has dragged out the case for the last 2 years because the only way he can make the case is by giving everyone else amnesty to enhance their statements, and he knows that won't look good to the jury.

A travesty of justice all the way around. Just hope the DA's office never sets their sights on you.

 

 COMMENT 496075 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-02-19 11:33 AM

786P Your comments demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge about police procedure and practices and your purely speculative comments about when and why a SWAT team was deemed necessary is beyond your knowlege. I recall one case where the SWAT teem was called upon to assist the Sheriff to evict some tenants who had not paid rent. EXTREME you say ? The tenants were avowed members of the black liberation army, had made threats to kill any and all police officers and in the apartment when the writ of eviction was served there were nine guns and lots of amunition including a few Molitov cocktails.

 

 COMMENT 507212 agree helpful negative off topic

2014-03-30 03:54 PM

In real estate, air rights, which refer to the empty space above a property, are one type of development right. Before the 20th century, anyone owning property also owned the unlimited air rights above it, as well as the ground beneath it. Then and now, most property ownership laws are based on the Latin doctrine "For whoever owns the soil, it is theirs up to heaven and down to hell." (For more about ownership of the ground beneath your house, see "Do you own the land under your home?")

 

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