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White Fire Fact Sheet
updated: May 29, 2013, 10:09 PM

Source: Santa Barbara County Fire Department

LATEST UPDATE @ 6:30 pm Weds.

White Fire Winding Down - 6:30pm, Wednesday, 29 May 2013

The Forest Service provided the following update to the White Fire incident:

Improved mapping now has the fire size at 1984 acres and is reported at 90% contained. There was no fire activity along the perimeter lines of the fire, however, there was continued evidence of smoldering within the fire perimeter as fire crews continue to mop up.

No fixed wing aircraft were used today though several were assigned. A few helicopters of the 8 assigned were used throughout the day.

No structures are threatened and residents are being allowed to return to the lower park areas. No forest visitors are allowed at this time.

The total cost to date for the fire response is approx. $1.5m.

Higher than normal winds are forecast through late Thursday as crews work to completely contain the fire.

OEM will continue to monitor the situation and provide updates as they become available.

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Incident Name: White Fire

Location: Six miles north of Santa Barbara on Paradise Road

Agency / Command: USFS

Start Date and Call Time: May 27, 2013, 2:41 pm

Incident Type: Vegetation fire

Cause: Under investigation

Size / Area Involved: 1984 acres, revised due to more accurate mapping of the fire

Percent Contained: 90%

Estimated Costs to Date: $1,500,000

Injuries / Fatalities: none

Structures Threatened / Damaged / Destroyed: One structure was damaged, nos tructures are threatened. The lower Santa Ynez Recreation Area residents are able to return. No forest visitors are allowed

Forecasted Weather: temps in the high 80's, low 90's, r/h at 18% winds at 15-25 mph gusting to 40. Wind advisory in effect until 3 am Thursday.

Committed Resources: 842 personnel assigned, 6 air tankers were available today, but not used. 12 helicopters available today, not all were used.

Actions planned for next operational period: Hold, improve, construct line and mop up.

Safety or Prevention Message: Ensure public safety, protect endangered species, provide timely and accurate information to the public, implement contingency plans as necessary, keep costs commensurate with values at risk.

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FACT SHEET / INCIDENT UPDATE: Wednesday May 29, 2013, 8 am

Incident Name: White Fire

Location: Six miles north of Santa Barbara on Paradise Road

Agency / Command: USFS

Start Date and Call Time: May 27, 2013, 2:41 pm

Incident Type: Vegetation fire

Cause: Under investigation

Size / Area Involved: 1858 acres, revised due to more accurate mapping of the fire

Percent Contained: 80%

Estimated Costs to Date: $850,000

Injuries / Fatalities: none

Structures Threatened / Damaged / Destroyed: 50 threatened, one damaged

Forecasted Weather: temps in the high 80's, low 90's, r/h at 18% winds at 15-25 mph gusting to 40. Wind advisory in effect until 3 am Thursday.

Committed Resources: 629 personnel assigned 6 air tankers available, 12helos

Actions planned for next operational period: Hold, improve, construct line and mop up.

Safety or Prevention Message: Ensure public safety, protect endangered species, provide timely and accurate information to the public, implement contingency plans as necessary, keep costs commensurate with values at risk.

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 EZ2 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:23 AM

Great news. Looks like it will be out soon. Thank you fire fighters

 

 COMMENT 413959 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:23 AM

Wow! 80% containment, winds and all. I'm very impressed with our fire services! Thanks all :)

 

 MTNDRIVER agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:24 AM

I surely do like the sound of 80% contained. Once again, big thanks to the firefighters.

 

 COMMENT 413968 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:26 AM

Incredible, I don't know how they do it but I am glad they get the fire out fast. I thought with all that wind we were going to be in trouble.

 

 COMMENT 413988 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:34 AM

I hope they catch the idiot that started the fire AND make him pay for the ENTIRE cost of fighting this fire! Great job firefighters!

 

 COMMENT 413991 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:36 AM

That DAMN SHERRIFF CHOPPER, its so expensive !!! what a blunderous use of money.... oh wait a sec ?

 

 COMMENT 414001 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:43 AM

KEYT is reporting that investigators are holding a "person of interest ".

 

 COMMENT 414006 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:47 AM

2 days ago i would told you were in for another jesusita scale fire.... the conditions were perfect.....but thank god for our fire crews and forest service crews...no doubt among some of the best of the best

 

 COMMENT 414012P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:52 AM

414005P - are you serious ??? Good grief.

Echo 414006

Thanks to the diligent, dangerous, 24-hour tough work by the firefighters that kept this fire from becoming a huge Zaca type disaster.

Good work !!! Good work !!! Good work !!! Good work !!!

 

 COMMENT 414019 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:57 AM

I have often wondered if they should classify fires as causes of pollution. it seems that they could justify hundred of millions of dollars for fire avoidance and suppression.

 

 COMMENT 414030 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 09:08 AM

Hats off to the first responders!
Great navigating by the Heli pilots!!
Good work folks.

 

 COMMENT 414031P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 09:09 AM

Thank you to the Fire Fighters!!! I'm scheduled to go camping at Lake Cachuma this coming weekend. Any information about Cachuma?

 

 COMMENT 414047 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 09:22 AM

You don't see as many CSFA (Cal State Firefighters Assoc.) stickers on new cars and trucks these days. They've figured out that reminding folks that they can afford new cars and trucks is not necessarily good marketing.

 

 COMMENT 414069 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 09:39 AM

To add "fuel to the fire" so-to-speak (pun intended,) here is a quote from the San Francisco Chronicle in an April 24th story about fire department overtime:

"...If you're looking for a poster boy for the San Francisco Fire Department's out-of-whack overtime, meet Lt. Gary Altenberg of Station 39 on Portola Avenue.
Thanks largely to staffing shortages that had department management ordering up extra shifts, Altenberg pulled in $221,000 in overtime last year, raising his total paycheck to $363,000.
That's almost $50,000 more than what Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White made."

Let the Edhat discussion begin...!

 

 COMMENT 414089P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:09 AM

thank you fire fighters and first responders! this could have been so much worse, i was convinced we were in for a Zaca or Gap fire-type event when i saw the smoke pouring over the hill. amazing save. hope they roast the clown who started it.

 

 COMMENT 414097 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:15 AM

069, that's a management failure, not a greedy firefighter issue.

 

 COMMENT 414099 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:19 AM

097 - Probably a little of each since fear and greed are among two of the strongest human emotions.

BTW - If I were a firefighter and overtime was offered to me I'd snap it up.

 

 COMMENT 414103 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:25 AM

069, nothing to discuss

 

 COMMENT 414107 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:27 AM

Why should firefighters not be plagued with the same greed and failings as other humans? Of course there are those that will work the system to their advantage. There will even be some that (gasp) break the law. Management, law enforcement, politicians, and tax payers need to be as watchful as ever to guard against any public service employee that is misusing public funds.

 

 COMMENT 414110P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 10:38 AM

It said due to staffing shortages. Been there, done that. Someone on high institutes a hiring freeze. Lower level managers have no choice- have to use OT to cover critical positions. How "on high" - decision could have been mayor, city manager, board of supervisors......who knows...

 

 COMMENT 414188P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 12:22 PM

Yes, there are good and bad in any organization - private, public, govt, non-profit.

What some people have a tendency to do is to tar everyone with the actions of a few. Somebody, somewhere in a different town does something - now all people in that position anywhere in the country are guilty by association.

What I have found, for the most part, is that people are honest, decent and hardworking. But there are always bad eggs.

The firefighters have just done an excellent job, and somebody here wants to take that away from them by something somebody somewhere else did.

For shame.

If bad things are smeared on everyone else - how about we try the opposite - all people are guilty by association of heroic deeds.

 

 COMMENT 414191 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 12:25 PM

Well done firefighters! Thank you!

 

 COMMENT 414206 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 12:43 PM

Glad that fires out! As for who started the fire- unless it was on purpose, it does no good to chase down and 'prosecute' someone whose basic 'crime' is being a dufus. Chances are 100% the person doesn't have 850 grand. We'll spend (another) 200 grand to serve up 'justice'. In the end we won't get a dime, you can't get money from someone who doesn't have it. That would make us the dufus for throwing good money after bad.

If we did go after dufus's for their misdeeds we could put 85% of the American people behind bars. You are the exception you say? No you're not. Neither am I. Everyone does dumb things that come with a heavy cost to others. Everyone. Can't think of something? Try a little harder and be honest.

 

 COMMENT 414208 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 12:43 PM

Thank God for our firefighters, they are all heroes. I don't want to hear any complaints on here about the salary and pensions those brave men and women receive.

And that also goes for our clearly overworked Law Enforcement groups.

 

 COMMENT 414215 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 12:59 PM

Thank you firefighters....thanks you for this one and all the others. I remember watching the flames from my deck and my place being showered in ash......and you came through and made everything okay. In the last 4 years I have removed every bit of brush and switched to a drought tolerant landscape. It's stark looking but I adapted to the environment I live in.....I hope we all keep safe this summer.

 

 COMMENT 414234P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 01:29 PM

206: No one who has any consideration for the environment, including other humans, part of the environment, throws hot ashes out. There are signs all over the campground to that effect. Doing that, if that was what was done and how the fire started, is the equivalent of intention in the law. It's similar to going 90 mph under the influence and killing someone and is both stupid and intentional.

I hope they catch the offender(s) and make examples of them, including heavy fines to try to recover the $$$ cost of this fire.

 

 COMMENT 414246 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 01:49 PM

thank you, fire fighters!!!!!!!!!

 

 COMMENT 414250 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 01:53 PM

No way is some schmuck barbecuing at White Rock going to be able to pay back anywhere near $850k. We'll find out soon enough, but I'll bet you a PBR he is a working class joe that just made a truly stupid mistake. Make as big an example of him as you like, but best case they dock his wages and the tax payers get $300 a month for the rest of his life.

 

 COMMENT 414252 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 01:59 PM

@414047 my husband is one of the fire fighters on this fire and he has been on many others! I and the other forest service wives all proudly display our fire fighter stickers. They work extremely hard for the pay they get. MUCH harder than any of us and they are in the worst possible conditions. So DO NOT talk about their pay when they just saved my house and many others because its their job. No one criticizes your pay! So you should be grateful for the people out there that are willing to put their lives at risk to save you, your homes and the forest!

 

 COMMENT 414268 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 02:25 PM

Sounds like the person who dumped hot ash or what ever needs to join the Boyscouts and learn about fire safety! Or put him out with firefighters on the next blaze,and work off his new debt.

 

 COMMENT 414287 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 03:01 PM

252...I consider firefighters to be one of our greatest heroes, putting their lives on the line for us and the things we own and consider precious. I agree with your statement but would have put it in caps to make sure everyone knew you were voicing this opinion at the top of your lungs! I thank all those spouses and families of firefighters for the strength to know their loved ones going out may never return to them for the sake of others. Thank all of you for the work you do,one of the toughest in the world!

 

 COMMENT 414291P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 03:07 PM

I I had a neighbor who had a fire in their fireplace the previous evening. There was still a warm log the next morning which she wrapped in newspaper, soaked in water, then put into the outdoor trashcan. About two hours later I saw smoke coming from their trash can holding area and luckily we had a hose that could reach it. I opened the holding area which was wood and burning wildly (a few singed hairs and eyebrows) and put it out. The fire department arrived about 15 minutes later. Their house would have been fully involved had I not intervened.

Maybe this guy made a stupid mistake thinking the coals were out, it wouldn’t be the first time.

 

 COMMENT 414294P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 03:16 PM

414252 I have to agree. Watching the coverage I could see some upper management people walking around in the background apparently doing next to nothing. For every one of them there were hundreds of people on the fire doing the dirty work. The people with "boots on the ground" are the people we should thank, as well as the helicopter and fixed wing aircraft pilots.

 

 COMMENT 414319 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 03:55 PM

In the past 15 minutes the wind is howling below City College.

 

 COMMENT 414327P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 04:13 PM

291P, there are lots of roles at a fire incident. Sometimes 'walking around' analysis and tactical decisions save lives and shape the outcomes, too. One:hundreds isn't a bad ratio for management, is it?

 

 COMMENT 414348P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 04:36 PM

414327P those who can do; those who can't teach. Maybe a few more teachers on the fireline would help put this out a little quicker.

 

 COMMENT 414363 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 04:52 PM

Hello from Central Oregon. Finally a go to site for Santa Barbara news. Great job letting all of us who are not locals get the latest news. This will be my first stop for SB news. Thank-you

 

 COMMENT 414378P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 05:14 PM

414327P - despite the terrible wind, this was put out VERY fast. We should be thankful not griping about the great job that was done,

 

 COMMENT 414380P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 05:19 PM

And the weather we have today is not as bad as what the firefighters and emergency personnel dealt with since Monday. I'm so grateful to them all, from command to fire services to volunteer departments to equine evac.

Dang, it's hot in town. A couple of hours ago it was 90-95 in Samarkand and San Roque, and cooler on the Pass & Paradise, according to the site I look at.
Sure am glad I haven't heard of another catastrophe today. Fingers crossed. Dear universe: give emergency personnel (and residents) at least a week's rest, please.

Scroll down at this site for specific weather stations:
http://caminoalto.com/

 

 JAZZEE agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 05:24 PM

Firefighters, thank you. Weather, thank you. Edhat, thank you.

 

 COMMENT 414420P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 05:53 PM

And those who can't use commas are doomed to being incomprehensible or unintentionally ironic.
I have nothing but admiration and respect for firefighters.
Can't think of too many jobs where the members routinely and quite literally will put their lives on the line to save your or your family's lives and call it all in a day's work.

 

 COMMENT 414498 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 08:19 PM

20P Thank you. Well said and my sentiments exactly. I hope these brave firefighters, including all the helicopter and bomber crews, will get a good rest after these arduous days.

 

 COMMENT 414539 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-29 09:00 PM

The remaining 10% is reserved for the idiot that started it.

 

 AUNTIE S. agree helpful negative off topic

2013-05-30 07:34 PM

Some random thoughts: first - there aren't enough words to thank the fire fighters who called in all resources and nipped this fire fast before it could become another Gap or Jesusita fire; 2) the comments about car stickers made me think - what if we could purchase something to put in our car windows to thank and show our appreciation permanently as we drive around; and 3) charge the schmuk who started it - so what if he doesn't have enough money. Charge him a huge amount anyway and garnish his wages to the fullest extent. Maybe he and others will learn something.

 

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