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Deltopia Destruction
updated: Apr 07, 2013, 10:08 PM

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An Istagram photo of kids destroying a mail truck during Deltopia in Isla Vista.

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 COMMENT 394642P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 10:24 PM

Interesting...didn't realize there was more than partying, there was mayhem.

 

 COMMENT 394643P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 10:30 PM

I see some young people atop the mail truck, but I don't see them "destroying" it.

 

 COMMENT 394644P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 10:37 PM

The van is lightweight, too light for all of those people - and not their property. As much as I would not bash students for having fun and partying, there is a limit. The poor mail van driver must have been terrified.

 

 COMMENT 394646P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 10:44 PM

Looking at the Facebook postings for Deltopia - sure enough, more than a few are not studying in Santa Baarbara. I-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g to see and read the postings.

 

 COMMENT 394649P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 10:52 PM

Do other UC campus communities have such "celebrations?" Looking at Facebook and other internet sites, Deltopia 2013 was a big event. Wonder how such -opias can be "governed" or "minimized" in the future.

 

 COMMENT 394650P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:00 PM

Youtube has some images of the Deltopia too.

 

 COMMENT 394651P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:01 PM

Sitting on top of the van is not quite "destroying" it. I recall seeing police cars destroyed during the Berkeley People's Park riots and the temper of this group shown atop the mail van does not match that riot mob one iota.

 

 COMMENT 394652P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:04 PM

That is mail-tampering and THAT is a federal offense.

 

 COMMENT 394655P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:15 PM

The good is that the partying wasn't a floatopia which could probably be more dangerous. No one has used the word "riot." The kids look fit. We're all paying for these two major parties a year - during Halloween and springtime. It will be interesting to see what the Nexus and other media outlets reveal. Anyone know about how many emergency, police or ambulance calls there were in connection with the party?

 

 COMMENT 394657P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:28 PM

One has to give some credit to UCSB for thinking of ways to defuse and help make more safe the street celebrations: http://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2013/03/deltopia-preparations-include-evpla-bbq-possible-website-sponsorship#more-13064

 

 COMMENT 394661P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-07 11:48 PM

What is it about Isla Vista partying that brings many Edhat readings and postings? Hot button topic.

 

 COMMENT 394664P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 12:25 AM

wow, OP, your Instagram photos & captions are scary offensive. Your name is visible. Remember, this stuff never goes away.

Re: UCSB party, mobbing a mail truck is so over the top and unnecessary.

 

 COMMENT 394667 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 04:09 AM

These mammals need to go to 3rd world countries and see how real people live. What an embarrassing shame.

 

 COMMENT 394669P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 06:36 AM

661P, when a 'party' such as this kills one young girl and damages (at the very least) a mail truck your darn right it is going to get Edhat readers, as well as other news outlets, attention and feedback. Do you expect us to just ignore it?

 

 COMMENT 394671 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:02 AM

I have seen pictures of numerous cars vandalized. Windows broken and people standing on the top dancing. Also a collapsed balcony. So glad I knew where my kids were this weekend.
I lived on Del Playa for 3 years and it was never this crazy.

 

 COMMENT 394674P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:06 AM

As a resident of SB I have always been really proud that we have such awesome local colleges with Westmont, SBCC (ranked #1 city college in the US this year!!!), SB Biz College, SB College of Law and of course UCSB! I feel like I am missing other schools in my list but you get the point, we have amazing local educational institutions here and UCSB would be at the top of my list if it weren't for Isla Vista, which is like a stinky armpit for our city. You don't hear about the residents there doing great things for the community, you hear about the parties and young girls being raped, destruction of property, burning couches, drug use, drug sales, falling off the cliffs, etc. UCSB itself is a source of pride but the student city next to it is not. The IV foot patrol needs to be bigger, stronger and stricter about underage partying and the school needs to step up and hold students responsible for it too. IV is such a hot topic because the majority of its residents attend OUR school and it should be a source of community pride but instead IV is just a community embarrassment. When your school is known across the country as a party school, it lessens the amazing medical and technological advances that UCSB faculty and students are responsible for. It's got to be frustrating for the hard workers to be associated with things like Deltopia and Floatopia...

 

 COMMENT 394675 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:07 AM

And these people got admitted to UCSB...

 

 COMMENT 394677 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:13 AM

Imagine if they didn't close the beaches this weekend.

 

 COMMENT 394678P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:16 AM

Eat drink and be merry kids, for maƱana you'll be rolling burritos at Chipoltle with $150,000 in debt and no brains.

 

 COMMENT 394682P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:22 AM

And UCSB wants to keep increasing enrollment?

 

 COMMENT 394686 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:29 AM

KEYT showed other cars vandalized. I was there Sat. night for the jugglers festival show and the fire department and paramedics were constantly rolling on emergency calls. How much did this nonsense cost us? How do we get the money back? Do we add a tax on beer sales or charge each person driving into Isla Vista without a local driver's license $5?

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:31 AM

Did any of you go to parties and raise HELL when you were younger? Or did you just stay home and study? Because I seem to recall alot of this type of actitvy back in the 60's and 70's..

 

 COMMENT 394696 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:41 AM

Better they trash IV than State St or upper Montecito Village. Go ahead, party in your crummy apartments until the sheetrock falls down.

 

 COMMENT 394699 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:46 AM

Roger, I was in IV in the mid-seventies and lived on Del Playa. Sure, we partied it up and got loud on Halloween and other times. But we never destroyed anything, no cars or trucks got vandalized, no one went to the hospital and there were no major problems.

Things have gotten out of control. Having fun is one thing, destruction and vandalizing are not just having fun.

 

 COMMENT 394705P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:57 AM

If the kids were doing such acts on behalf of social activism/protest, would they more likely be busted? Is it because they're just partying that there's greater tolerance?
If there were protestors on top of a mail truck about the cost of wars and lives in Iraq and Afghanistan probably the police force would interact sooner.

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:57 AM

Yes there was some vandlism there and burglaries but not everyone went to party. Many used it as an oppturnity to do other things.. I would really like to see that mail truck today those things are build like tanks they are more than likley stronger than the Bear Cat. The SBPD could have saved some money..My self absorbed point though is many of us partied harder than these kids but now were judgemental stuffed shirts..Of course can't let the Grand Kids know we were young once. :)

 

 AQUAHOLIC agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:59 AM

@699.... You don't recall the Bank being burned?...I'd call that pretty out of control. Not sure of actual stats, but so many people have died falling from the cliffs/balconies/etc. on Del Playa, I'd be interested to learn a real #...I bet it's quite a few.

 

 COMMENT 394708 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:00 AM

Many participants were NOT UCSB students, came in from out of town . . .

 

 COMMENT 394709P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:05 AM

Hmmm.. would such a rowdy, drunken crowd be allowed to party like that in the streets of the West Side, or even on State Street during Fiesta? Why is it different in I.V.?

 

 COMMENT 394711P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:07 AM

It's already been established that not all the revelers are from UCSB. Certainly, in some ways, UCSB choose this campus because of its reputation deserved or not about Partying.

 

 COMMENT 394713 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:11 AM

699 evidently partied hard enough that they have lost a significant portion of their memory.
Yes, there most certainly was vandalism back then. Yes, there most certainly were injuries and deaths which were directly attributable to over-indulgence in alcohol and other drugs.

 

 COMMENT 394714P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:11 AM

It'd be nice to have more photos in order to gain insights about Deltopia. More reporting also.

 

 COMMENT 394716 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:15 AM

Interesting that few posters call for responsibility of those on the mail truck. How about civil and criminal penalties?
I recall the 'kids' who set the fire in Montecito and Santa Barbara were barely slapped on the wrist.
I guess it is too much trouble for law enforcement and the justice system.

 

 COMMENT 394717P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:15 AM

These party events in the IV streets and on the beaches are events held regularly, at least twice a year. The social activism in IV is almost ancient history. It's about what's tolerated now.

 

 GREG agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:18 AM

Perhaps it is too much trouble for law enforcement and the justice system when the parents are affluent enough to hire high priced attorneys and sue.

 

 COMMENT 394725P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:31 AM

Two questions: 1. Would this be tolerated anywhere else in the Santa Barbara area?
2. What can be done to tame, reduce the harm of such partying?

 

 COMMENT 394726P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:31 AM

SBCC was recognized by some obscure organization for its small number of its students who actually managed to get out of college in under 6 years. This is hardly worthy of a #1 status. Perhaps these award winning SBCC students did not transfer to UCSB, where 30% of them would continue fail. Party on, UCSB.

 

 COMMENT 394729 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:33 AM

Can someone link me to the Deltopia FB page mentioned earlier?

 

 COMMENT 394731P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:36 AM

Definition of "fun" Isla Vista style: 40 injuries requiring trips to the emergency room; damaged property and vehicles; collapsed balconies with injuries from overweight overuse; one tragic death, youtube virals reinforcing a negative party-hardy reputation of a fine local institution. And that is just from this mornings paper.

 

 COMMENT 394734 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:39 AM

Aqua, did I see you at the BOC concert in the old bank building?

 

 COMMENT 394735P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:39 AM

It's amazing no arms were broke while patting themselves on the back over that award from fellow macademians.

 

 COMMENT 394736 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:40 AM

Unbelievable degree of whining about kids being kids. Sure they do stupid things. Sure it's annoying and costly but it's about as normal and predictable as a bunch of 60+ year old people looking for things to whine about (nowadays) on "news" blogs like Edhat. And, yes, I'm whining about that. Someone must!

 

 COMMENT 394740 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:43 AM

The "college students" and other carpet baggers or rather party baggers from elsewhere are the product of a culture that is dedicated to push all limits of law and morality. This certainly occurrred in the late 1960's and 1970's. In those days the "students" (aka rioters) had an excuse for their rioting and vandalism. They were "protesting the establishment" and everything they thought it stood for. Those years began the systematic indoctrination of so many students by the hoardes of left wing "professors" who thought, and still think their duty is to tear down America, all moral boundaries and all legal boundaries they think obstruct their agenda. A recent study "What Does Bowdoin Teach" is an excellent report documenting how so many American Universities have become propaganda platforms for a skewed left wing social and political agenda which includes "public demonstration" to further that agenda.

 

 COMMENT 394747 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:55 AM

Here here 736!!! - this site is a model for the Curmudgeon Society... something that Santa Barbara has practically defined and has sadly become the norm for the Boomers.

 

 COMMENT 394748 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:56 AM

i think back to those days decades ago......and i enjoyed them with abandon....i also cringe when i remember ( mostly) some of the crazy things we did...and i am thankful i made it thru those days with only the excess brain cells destroyed.

its really no big deal...college students are the same the world over. enjoy it before you hit the real world.

I think its safer on the beach than on del playa. at least the authorities can keep it all in one spot rather than a moving block party.

 

 COMMENT 394749 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:56 AM

Every younger generation always has issues with the current establishment. Just as every older generation always has issues with the current establishment.

Most young people think they are rebelling, and going to change the world. Most mature people have given up on that dream and joined the rest of the whining and bitching crowd.

All the while those who are really making the difference are both young and old and in between. These are the people we don't often read about, because we don't want to hear about the good stuff, we only want the sensation.

So the powers that be give us what makes us happy; Starbucks or Traders Joes, our liberal press or our right wing entertainers. So we can do, on a daily basis, what we now do best.... complain.

 

 COMMENT 394751P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:59 AM

394736 - who is footing the bill?

 

 COMMENT 394752 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:59 AM

@642 P. I couldn't agree with you more. If there was a cause behind this gathering, like a protest, the National Guard would be called in and half of SB Police would be there. I will bet that even if the people weren't drinking, just sitting for a peaceful protest with signs that protested the war(S), it would be a huge "problem" for the police. They would be hauling people off to jail, dragging them over the pavement and oh, maybe even a Kent State situation. As long as nobody rattles the chains of the authorities, well, "let's just keep the kids safe". I just don't get it.

 

 COMMENT 394760 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:13 AM

These are not rational adults just having a good time.

These drunken miscreants should be identified and charged with destruction of Government property, Hefty fines should cover not only the damages, but serve as a deterrent for any further drunken debauchery. At minimum, it should go on their criminal record for all employers to see.

If anyone knows the identity of anyone pictured here, report them to the police. The mail service is in enough financial difficulty as it is.

If anyone jumped on my car, I would have them arrested and take them to civil court for damages.

 

 COMMENT 394765 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:20 AM

The students and visitors were successful at one thing....ensuring that IV will be closed a la Halloween come next Deltopia.

 

 COMMENT 394766P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:21 AM

If interested, try internet search using words deltopia Facebook, deltopia, sbpartyscene, and many others.

 

 COMMENT 394768 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:23 AM

Sure we partied in IV back in the day. We'd have a few beers (generally just a few), smoke some doobs, listen to the Grateful Dead and Jackson Browne, have some meaningful conversations, and leave the mail trucks alone. Damn straight. This was a quieter time a few years after the Bank of America burning, which as noted wasn't really an act of "partying" anyway.

 

 COMMENT 394769P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:23 AM

740, you nailed it. Todays kids were raised by the hippies of yore. The kids today that knock if off the charts with their high-self esteem ranking, yet score near the bottom on any other academic competence criteria compared to their global contemporaries. What hath we wrought?

These indeed are the products of US higher education gone very wrong from the 1960's onwards. The only curious phenomenon is how can they still be anti-establishment when in fact they have now been the establishment for so long we forget when America was on a different track.

Guess this is why they had to target the "1%" as the "establishment" because so little of the former establishment is now left, they ran out of people to hate.

The harvest of these past misguided decades is we have finally run out of spending other people's money. We killed innovation and production, and newly emerging countries are eating any of our left over intellectual capital for lunch.

It is the next chapter for the US that is going to be really interesting now that the till has been tapped and the well run dry. Even China is having to belt tighten, so who ya gonna call for the next last gasp of US faux fiscal exuberance?

I think kids today know something is vaguely wrong. But their failed education, political orientation and global awareness ill prepares them to know what to do about it. So they dance on the edge of the volcano.

They would have been better off taking the time and money and visiting Singapore or Shanghai or Kuala Lumpur or Hong Kong or Taipai or Bangalore to see who they will be competing with, instead of more drinking marathons and wet t-shirt contests.

 

 COMMENT 394771 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:23 AM

Ok this is just downright disrespectful of other people's property. What a bunch of trash. Where is chancellor Yang hiding???? I know I know its the out of Towners... Right! Shut the streets down along with beaches. IV in serious trouble. Getting way out of hand. Keep shoving under your pillow chancellor Yang. Your doing the right thing ....

 

 COMMENT 394773 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:25 AM

Back in the seventies, we could'nt have dialed the phone 100k times to organize a gathering this large. Maybe one day these youngsters can get a large group together to do something less self-indulgent. Maybe

 

 COMMENT 394774P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:25 AM

What are the demographics of UCSB - these photos simply do not look representative of its entire student body.

 

 COMMENT 394775P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:28 AM

Back in the 70's, the pot was 17 times less potent than what is out there today. And most people drank 3% beer; not the hard stuff in 2 gallon containers.

You might have gotten tipsy, but the goal was not to get wasted. And it was looked down upon if someone did lose control, let along get sick and pass out.

Ah, the good old days when people were not so self-destructive and called it fun.

 

 COMMENT 394779P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:31 AM

Add one more example of the complete disregard for private property among today's youth.

 

 COMMENT 394781P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:35 AM

The systematic indoctrination has also been by corporate powers whose only focus is money, not morals. Where did all the billionaires get their money? We gave it to them and the money is often transferred off shore. The military and and corporate interests have their aim to do anything, pollute, evade taxes, wage war, unloosen social safety nets and incorporate such decisions as Citizens United to advance the agenda of money and greed at all costs. No wonder the kids get high/drunk. The future is not bright for them. Democracy has been hijacked in corporate coup. What is one vote when powerful lobbyists have much more influence? At some level the students must sense the corruption and thus party on.

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:42 AM

The pot was very potent back in the 70's of course American beer was real beer back then..The kids of todays raised by the next generation of 80's and 90's folks but I'm sure there are a few that were partying born in the 70's Their grandparents were Hippies from the 60's..We had Free Concerts with Big Names back in the Day in Indiana and the crowds were pretty big. It was more of a Make Love not War thing going on back then but every generation has idoits that ruin it for the rest.. The chemical drugs of today are much worse than the chemicals of yeasteryear. Marijuana is much more expensive..

 

 COMMENT 394789P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:43 AM

Chancellor Yang is not mayor of Isla Vista. Doreen Farr is county supervisor.

Talk to her. Chancellor Yang has been building more on-campus housing so the university can exercise more control over student conduct.

Give Yang credit; but dump this latest IV fiasco squarely on Supervisor Doreen Farr's ample lap.

 

 COMMENT 394790 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:43 AM

http://www.calstate.edu/pa/clips2004/february/25feb/party.shtml


Instead of carrying on about it, how about a few suggestions? Yes, that article is 9 years old, and yes, IV Halloween is mentioned in the last paragraph, but there is plenty in there to think about. If one thing doesn't work (or even if it does, and then begins to fade) try something else, a little like medical treatment.


I lived on campus, and then in IV, but the biggest excitement was the food-fights in the dining commons on the last day of ROTC uniform-wearing. Some of the surfers planned an elaborate flaming sacrifice to the Gods of Surf but it was detected and nipped in the bud.


I lived in South SLO County at the time Poly Royal had to be scrapped. Halloween at Cal Poly and in the more student-y parts of SLO also got so bad that liquor stores observed special procedures during the run-up and some streets were closed on the day. Some of the thwarted celebrators may have gone South to IV, where I recall from that time that a more draconian response was instituted.

One of the hazards of being young is being stupid, and one of the responsibilities of surviving that perilous window is being responsible to try to limit the damage to the next cohort.

 

 COMMENT 394791P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:44 AM

Why, why is this street partying tolerated in Isla Vista and nowhere else in the area?

 

 COMMENT 394797P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:46 AM

Yeah, corporations caused the IV party scene. And straw dogs go woof in the night. Party on.

What has such a nice anti-establishment ring to it than the very word "corporations". Ewwww, bad guys. Salivate.

In case you have not noticed, most of them gave up on America and left to go overseas years ago. You are punching at a paper tiger. And the rest of the world is eating your for lunch.

 

 COMMENT 394801 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:49 AM

Why is the mail truck trying to go through the kids. Every time a car trys to drive throught the kids this happens. Autos should stay off del party when it is packed. Duh

 

 COMMENT 394806 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:56 AM

This just in, authorities plan to reopen the beaches and encourage the kids to do Floatopia next year to prevent people from killing them selves on balconies and falling off cliffs. Said the local police captain, "The kids have a right to party, and we intend to see that they do it safely."

Other advantages to this strategy are that the trash is confined to one area and it is harder to carry kegs down to the beach so drinking is decreased. And the high tide serves as mother nature's cleanser after the event.

 

 COMMENT 394808 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:58 AM

Hey kids - thanks for filling up our towyard - all that expensive education and you can't read the no parking signs. Hope it was worth it. See ya next year - be safe now.

 

 COMMENT 394809 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:58 AM

Maybe next year they could act like adults and remember those hurt and lost and learn from these horrible mistakes. When these rowdy people grow up, karma will teach them a lesson if they don't search out and help others to stay safe.

 

 COMMENT 394810 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:01 AM

642 you sound just like a political science "professor" I had at UCSB in 1969, who annouced on the first day of class that his job was to undo everything we had learned for the last 12 years. You are so brainwashed you cannot see all the good in this country only the bad. You admire corporate money grubbers like Al Gore looting the American public of millions in the name of saving the planet. A mentality that justifies the waste of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on boondoggles like Solindra lining the pockets of the left wing corporate pirates and Obama cronies paying themselves millions in inflated salaries on their way to bankruptcy, giving sufficient sums, to left wing politicians as "political contributions" insuring this subtle form of theft could continue under the guise of the public good. The mysterious "military-industrial" complex you assail has employed millions of Americans to a level of economic success we may never see again in this country.

 

 COMMENT 394820P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:13 AM

College kids blow off steam during Spring Break, and some commentators see it as the fall of Western Civilization.

 

 COMMENT 394822 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:14 AM

781:

What does trashing your home as well as the environment have to do with sticking it to the man?

 

 COMMENT 394824 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:21 AM

This Curmudgeon Society, do they assemble? I'd like to know more about it.

 

 COMMENT 394825P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:23 AM

Corporations have nothing to do with the nihilism of today's college youth.

The remarkable rise of the productivity and wealth in the far more disciplined South East Asian countries is what has left the US behind, and young Americans are slowly realizing they are not prepared to deal with this new global competition.

The more time wasted looking for someone to blame only digs their hole deeper. Not sure how to get their attention or really what happens next, if we do not.

Today's young people need to be asking one question only: what value can I offer South East Asian countries; instead of asking where the next IV kegger is.

 

 COMMENT 394831P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:41 AM

This party was not the end of Western Civilization; because that has already happened. The party was symbolic of why it happened.

 

 COMMENT 394832 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:41 AM

You would party too if you had $80K of student loans at 7%, a degree in Communication Studies this June, and no job prospects. Whose at fault? Everyone.

 

 COMMENT 394837P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:49 AM

It was the student's fault; no one else's. How will partying help?

All anyone has to do is go online and type in the worst college majors to know what to stay away from. And what choices to make that are still paying the bills. A two year cosmetology certificate may be the best one of them all.

 

 COMMENT 394841P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 10:58 AM

Endless wars for our economic superiors require cannon fodder that is not educated beyond a certain level of literacy. These kids know too much.

 

 COMMENT 394842 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:03 AM

Today's teenagers, tomorrow's adults and this is how they profess their care for the economy, environment, peace relations, future presidents. The list goes on and this is abysmal.

 

 BECKY agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:05 AM

"Get off my lawn!" (I'd like to be a charter member of the Curmudgeon Society. Does this qualify?)

 

 COMMENT 394848 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:17 AM

Your only young once, party on IV!

 

 COMMENT 394855P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:23 AM

Would this be allowed on the lower Eastside or lower Westside?

 

 COMMENT 394857 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:30 AM

726 P I don't know how you could get their attention either. They reject many of the moral/cultural and legal foundations that made this country great while preoccupied (even obsessed) with every historic wrong or injustice real or percieved drummed into their heads even in high school. The key missing pieces from the current crop of students, is a lack of common sense and the inability to percieve the realities of the world around them, not the one described by their jaundiced educational experience. Their mantra should be hard work and personal sacrifice leads to success. Carping about how the government, "corporations" their parents, economic or social status, the police or society in general is responsible for everything wrong in their life or the world, while looking for tomorrows keg party instead of a job, is a difficult mold to break.

 

 COMMENT 394858 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:31 AM

@Roger - actually, just a technical point, but pot is actually much stronger than it was back in the 70s.

 

 COMMENT 394871P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:45 AM

The only hope for America ironically is among its new immigrants who came here for the American Dream - they will keep it alive, and have.

I wonder when they will also catch on they also signed up for a huge welfare state supporting the Americans who were already here who took a pass and partied instead of preserving what once made us great.

Even liberal gadfly Thomas Friedman wrote a recent book about this decline and fall of the American Dream, from within. His epiphany moment came when a door knob fell off in the White House - no one bothered to check or fix a door knob in the People's House.

As long as we have immigrants committed to renewing America as the land of opportunity, we will just have to shove the rest of the malcontents aside and hope the new ones generate enough success to keep paying for the slackers who will not.

Though in any survey now, America no longer ranks at the top of countries people want to immigrate to which was long its singular and exceptional distinction. No longer.

 

 COMMENT 394880P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 11:55 AM

Somewhere during living memory we took a wrong turn into blame and entitlement, and moved away from innovation and personal responsibility.

Not sure when or why that happened. But it was a wrong turn and will not be easily undone because we now have whole generations who have imbibed blame and entitlement as their birth rights.

Viet-nam? Pot? Public employee unions? Pre-schools? Watergate? TV? Mass-marketing? 1960's counter-culture baby boomers? Balkanization into disparate "rights" groups instead of solidifying access to American values? Single-parenthood? Broken homes? Entertainment industry? Decline of religious affiliation? Illegal immigration?

Who are the carriers of American values today? And what three values can we all ascribe to that still work to bring us together, instead of tearing us apart?

It used to be schools, it used to be government, it used to be religious organizations, it used to be the extended family. All slipped and fell in the past decades. What moved into that vacuum and represents our unifying values today?

Young people used to ask who are we and where are we going. Now today only old people ask those questions. Young people just party on. And blame.

 

 COMMENT 394887P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 12:15 PM

394726P - I think it is extremely fallacious to paint all of the students with the behavior of a few. I encounter many students in various settings, and am awed by the work they do, and the time they spend on doing it. To come to any conclusions at all about student behavior in general one has to undertake valid, scientific research. Pondering is not.

 

 COMMENT 394893 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 12:30 PM

Cap University enrollment! Yang and Fisher's plans will screw our town up. Just because they live on campus doesn't mean the impacts aren't felt. UCSB wants to turn an isolated piece of land surrounded by the ocean into a massive city. Dangerous. You don't need high enrollment to get quality education.

 

 COMMENT 394900P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 12:47 PM

Whatever one's views are, the Edhat forum could make a difference in what is done or allowed in the future on the streets of Isla Vista. Or is that too optimistic?

 

 SHAKEY agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 01:12 PM

Let the kids have their party you guys did, some of you still are. I don't see a destroyed mail truck

 

 COMMENT 394919P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 01:13 PM

The UCPD needs to control their kids before they are all let go and the Sheriff's department takes over what little jurisdiction they have left. UCPD is a drain on the State's budget. Stop playing the blame game and worry about your own jurisdiction.

 

 COMMENT 394935 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 01:53 PM

716 P I agree. All institutions that would have presented some examples of moral compass and legal boundaries have been crumbling, even occasionallly becoming corrupt. Government? Churches? Families in many cases are single parent family or perhaps mothers who elect not to have a father beyond conception. Schools that are not allowed to mention religion, or moral issues and in most cases staffed by "teachers" lacking any ability to be moral or educational guides? Instead they want to be the "buddies" of students and act and dress like them. After subtracting these former forces that guided children past, we are left to "peer" influences which are products of these same disfunctional families and deficient educational backround emphasizing P.C. and diversity issues. a generation obsessed with facebook, texting, television shows like "Jackass", Jersey Shore! Desperate wives, Bevus and Butthead and have lost the ability to even interact with each other except by texting and twitter.

 

 COMMENT 394945 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 02:06 PM

I've got a freshman at UCSB and an elderly parent living in San Roque neighborhood. I appreciate this news source as I can't find much in the 'established' SB press.

We walked through IV on a recent visit and I was appalled at the condition of many of the houses and apartments. It's as though there is no code enforcement whatsoever. Kids are living in converted garages and structures that look like temporary shacks.

Then again, my mother lives in the San Roque neighborhood of Santa Barbara and has fallen twice on the uneven disintegrating sidewalks. For such a wealthy city, Santa Barbara doesn't seem to take very good care of its residents. Doesn't anyone hold local government accountable for the infrastructure of the city? Is everyone in Santa Barbara either too old or too young to feel they can make a difference by expecting accountability from the Public Works department?

 

 COMMENT 394955 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 02:19 PM

Maybe I'm an old-fogey (at the ripe age of 24) but this does NOT look fun to me. I migrated to the SB area after graduating from a small private school. ( A dry campus meant we were forced to the bar up the street, where we were carded) and guess what, I survived without this kind of college experience! I know the limits (or lack there of) that 95% of these kids have. This is embarrassing for them, and for those lumped in with the generation they comprise. (Feel like I need a shirt: No, I don't party in IV. Don't blame me.)
For those who think this is just "kids enjoying Spring Break": No. It is not. It is kids who have no respect for themselves or the area that they live in.

 

 COMMENT 394961P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 02:29 PM

955 - Fellow twenty something here... Very well said!

 

 COMMENT 394966 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 02:35 PM

945 The apparent irony and wisdom of your comment does not fall on deaf ears. We are suffering with a City Government where the majority of the council thinks it is important and worth $12,000 to paint a blue line around the city where the water level will be in 100 years because of global warming. They spend thousands enabling transient bums because they cannot distinguish between truly needy homeless and a core group of vulgar street people. The planners are so anxious to claim they are the "cutting edge" they require ridiculous, expensive and even dangerous "traffic improvements" and so called "pedestrian friendly" creations and expensive study after study in a silly attempt to force people to ride bicycles, buses or walk when common sense alone belies that mentality. Be thankful you do not have to live here and deal with this frustration daily.

 

 COMMENT 394987P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 03:16 PM

#944 good points. As for money and lives wasted nothing compares to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And a disrespectful US Vice President who used the "F" word in a speech at the Capital.

 

 COMMENT 394996P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 03:33 PM

Thank you younger voices for speaking up that you don't want your generation defined by these party people in IV.

The "kids just wanna have fun" excuse needed to be rebutted and no better voices than those from the same generation. Hats off to you and keep speaking up. Otherwise we only hear from the lowest common denominator of those that do on these issues.

"Kids wanna get serious" about their lives is the far better message to be hearing today.

 

 COMMENT 395005P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 03:39 PM

WikiFacts: War on Terror - 2001 to present: 6000 lives lost.
US population: 300 million. The second lowest number of lives lost in any US war.

One life is too many wasted for war; but to blame what is happening to a 300 million member nation because of 6000 volunteer military deaths over 15 year period needs perspective.

It may even need comparison to drug and alcohol over-dose deaths, or domestic violence deaths, or even traffic deaths.

You may be wasting good time and energy blaming "endless wars" instead of tackling more obvious human failings that surround us every day. Unless of course your goal is to waste time and energy?

 

 COMMENT 395055P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 04:47 PM

If one is referring to Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
One cannot just look how many of our armed forces died in this war, but the total number affected. Over 110,000 "violent deaths."
This does not include the war on Afghanistan, nor the trillions wasted, nor the unsuccessful war on drugs.
Am very glad there were not more serious injuries at Deltopia.

 

 AUNTIE S. agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 06:00 PM

Thank you for your comments 4955. This kind of behavior is really disgusting. I too think the mailman must have been terrified. When they do stuff like that they're not just cute college kids - they're a rioting mob - and I think they should be prosecuted just like the rioters in southeast LA were after the Rodney King case. Throw them in jail (not just a little citation where they sit around in the IVPD, but real jail.)

 

 COMMENT 395144P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 07:38 PM

AuntieS...how about ship them out on a work gang detail in the Mojave, in pink underwear, ala Sheriff Joe?

 

 COMMENT 395188P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:20 PM

792P. I was across the street from the Bank of America in I V when it burned. The people that pushed the burning dumpster into the bank were what we used to call "street people", Not protesting students. I was standing next to Bill Allen (and a bunch of other people) at the time. He looked around and said "you are all witnesses. They will be coming after me for this." He was right, they tried to. They also accused another well known activist. Lucky for him, he was in jail that night......There was some mayhem that night....but we who were watching could never understand why they didn't send in the fire fighters. Nobody was attacking people....just some property here and there. Nobody would have hurt any fire fighters.

 

 COMMENT 395197P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:26 PM

Auntie S - where have you been- there is NO room in our jail. These kids, like some of the obnoxious panhandlers on State St. Probably know this. And the thing that irks me is that many of the people who complain about these things are the same ones who voted against the jail tax. Now we're going to have a jail that only adds about 110 beds..... At the cost of over $100 million. And this does NOT include the annual $17.5 million to run the place!

 

 COMMENT 395204P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:34 PM

005P. Between 18 and 20 veterans commit suicide Every Day

 

 COMMENT 395214 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 08:54 PM

WELL SAID 955... As a mother of a freshman at Ucsb. She does not partake in this trash. She actually works very hard and gets great grades. Most of these idiots are not Ucsb kids

 

 COMMENT 395220P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:28 PM

674 I know this is different than Halloween......but I think it is similar enough to address your comment about the foot patrol. I've been out there on Halloween weekend and the resources deployed and the strategies are unbelievable. Law enforcement das added things every year and are to be commended. The first amendment gives the kids the right to be there. It is so jammed that you can of move around midnight. The police are trying to keep the kids safe and be sure mo fights start. They do a great job. The vast majority of the arrests and ambulance dispatches are due to alcohol poisoning. I cannot remember the name of the Sheriff in charge of the foot patrol but he is about 6 ft 6 in tall and has a Phd. He is calm and walks through the crowds all night long, as do his staff. Read up on it - and maybe this will "morph into" something similar.....

 

 COMMENT 395223P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-08 09:31 PM

674 I know this is different than Halloween......but I think it is similar enough to address your comment about the foot patrol. I've been out there on Halloween weekend and the resources deployed and the strategies are unbelievable. Law enforcement has added things every year and are to be commended. The first amendment gives the kids the right to be there. It is so jammed that you can't move around midnight. The police are trying to keep the kids safe and be sure no fights start. They do a great job. The vast majority of the arrests and ambulance dispatches are due to alcohol poisoning. I cannot remember the name of the Sheriff Deputy in charge of the foot patrol but he is about 6 ft 6 in tall and has a Phd. He is calm and walks through the crowds all night long, as do his staff. Read up on it - as maybe this will "morph into" something similar to Halloween .....

 

 COMMENT 395382P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-04-09 11:38 AM

The photo is iconic.

 

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