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Deckers Building
updated: Feb 20, 2013, 10:13 AM

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Deckers is erecting huge new buildings in Goleta. They are setting up their headquaters at Hollister and Los Carneros. I have been working in this area for 30 years.

I have been told during those years that this was sacred Chumash land. Can anybody confirm or deny this info?

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 COMMENT 376543 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:19 AM

I heard it was atop a hazardous waste pile, above major fault and a fracking vent.

 

 COMMENT 376544 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:19 AM

There was a village site located nearby that was mostly destroyed when the air base was built during World War II.

 

 COMMENT 376545P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:20 AM

I do believe there was a Chumash village somewhere near there...

 

 COMMENT 376547 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:21 AM

pish !

 

 COMMENT 376549P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:24 AM

Will Deckers pull a Clenet and go bellyup in a year or two leaving a big empty building usefull to no one?

 

 COMMENT 376550 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:26 AM

Chumash site is located on the other side of Los Carneros where the bunkers are located; to the north of the UCSB print shop. Anyone remember when there was a motocross track at that location in the 70s? Ahh, the carefree days when it was OK to run your two stroke over a burial ground...

But it is true that the boys from Delco used to test the moon rover designs in the field where Deckers is building.

 

 COMMENT 376551 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:27 AM

550...the carefree days...back when people were reasonable and not everything from the past was considered historic. It's getting annoying.

 

 COMMENT 376559 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:35 AM

Cool to see a local business thriving and creating jobs and economy. At the same time sad to slowly see the last open lands in Goleta disappear forever.

 

 COMMENT 376560 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:36 AM

All land is/was sacred to the Chumash. The land is our literal mother. Without trees life could not exist (no oxygen), without soil and clean water, no food or life.

How much can be destroyed and still allow the planet to support humans? We or our grandchildren will find out soon enough.

This is utterly self-evident. Everything else is a distraction to keep us all buying stuff and driving around in our cars.

 

 COMMENT 376561 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:38 AM

If a company as big as deckers goes belly-up in 2 years 549, the economy has bigger issues than a building being empty.

 

 COMMENT 376565 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:41 AM

Whether there is or was a Chumash burial-ground there..I wonder which parent taught those people of today, to have such disrespectful disregard for the lives & teachings of others?....Was it Mom or Dad?...And I wonder how those people would feel if they saw me in the cemetary,using their Grand-parent`s head-stone as my toilet?...It`s funny, I never hear people speak with such ignorance..I only see it online, where it`s easy to hide....

 

 COMMENT 376566 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:47 AM

"Sacred Lands" is a PC phrase coined as a bargaining chip in litigation for sites long ignored and forgotten. Same thing has been going on in the Middle East for centuries.

 

 COMMENT 376568 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:50 AM

The Chumash village was on Mescalitan Island, most of which was indeed bulldozed to build the airbase (now Santa Barbara Airport). What's left is now the mound that houses the Goleta West Sanitary District.

So, no, the Deckers headquarters is not "sacred" land, despite 560's catch-all.

 

 COMMENT 376574 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:00 AM

Uh, the land is not our literal mother. Our mothers are our literal mothers. The land is what we landed on after they birthed us.

Isn't frustrating when the words we use mean something?

 

 COMMENT 376575 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:02 AM

Someone said it best a few weeks ago about Deckers: you're in trouble anytime your business model is dependent on the whims of 14 year old girls. I predict at least half of those new tilt ups will be vacant in a few years when Uggs go out of fashion. Developers better have a plan B.

And yes, the old days were more carefree when personal responsibility trumped litigation and liabilities. Sad to see them gone.

 

 COMMENT 376581 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:12 AM

@574 where did we come from? If not from the earth then you believe we came from another planet?

The earth is the giver of life as we know it. Yeah, we all have parents, but the human species is not possible without the precondition of earth giving us all that we depend on. Earth doesn't need us, we need the earth.

This is not a political position or a position on development but a tautological statement of fact.

 

 4358ED agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:17 AM

I would imagine most what we call Santa Barbara was sacred Chumash land...

 

 COMMENT 376588 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:20 AM

Could they at least have built a one story building? Really destroying a beautiful view as well as encroaching on wetlands, Indian burial grounds and known Snowy Plover breeding sites.

 

 COMMENT 376600 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:31 AM

uggs have been around since the 70's. even i wore them back then. they have at least a couple more decades left in them.

 

 COMMENT 376616P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:43 AM

Deckers is more than just Uggs. They are Uggs, Tsubo, Teva, Sanuk, MOZO and Ahnu. They are an outdoor footwear company and are definitely not dependent on the whims of teenage girls.

 

 COMMENT 376618 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:44 AM

If it was sacred to the Chumash wouldn't they have purchased it to prevent its "desecration"? They can afford to.

 

 COMMENT 376621 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 11:48 AM

NOT sacred Chumash land....confirmed.

 

 COMMENT 376636 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 12:04 PM

Sooner or later, every piece of property had someone die on it and/or is considered sacred by someone.

Deckers also owns Simple Green.

 

 COMMENT 376644 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 12:13 PM

I hereby deem Hendry's Beach my sacred site (in other words, who is to deem what is sacred). We're lucky to have Decker's since there's very few other large corporate headquarters here to supply decent jobs and tax dollars.

 

 COMMENT 376646 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 12:14 PM

@550: As a 20 year former GM/Delco employee I can tell you that was not where the Lunar Rover was tested. That Test Area was behind the building which is the Los Padres National forest Headquarters.

 

 COMMENT 376652 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 12:19 PM

Deckers is definitely dependent on the whims of 14-yr old girls and surfers and the wave of success they were riding has broken and is now washing up the beach. Their stock peaked at 120 per share in 2011 and went to a low of 30 last year.

Their business is currently solid but but I would bet that their expansion plans were developed during 2011. They will have to find additional products and get Jack Johnson to wear them if they want to get back to the days of wine and roses.

 

 COMMENT 376663 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 12:33 PM

581 - You're literally claiming rhetorical facts? Wow. Well, I for one am not a silica based life form. That is a fact. Literally. Confirmed.

 

 COMMENT 376677P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:02 PM

I can't begin to tell you how many places some SNAG (Sensitive, New Age Guy/Gal) has told me are "sacred Chumash sites." I'm as anti-development as the next guy, but these false claims of "sacred space" are irritating, and far more prevalent than real archaeological sites. The Chumash village that was nearby was over near the sewage treatment plant, and was largely destroyed when they were putting the Marine base on what is now UCSB during WWII.

 

 COMMENT 376684 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:12 PM

All of Goleta is sacred Chumash land and there are burial sites all over. I find the rock grinders and arrow heads all the time. Before the Spanish and Portuguese and Irish came here, this place was a real paradise. Here's a great map showing how many villages there were from Malibu to Pismo. It's unfortunate how the Chumash were treated by the Europeans and it's unfortunate how little the Euro-americans know about whose land they've planted their homes upon.
You're all immigrants.

 

 COMMENT 376685 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:13 PM

Deckers is a well diversified company with a strong financial portfolio. We are fortunate to have businesses like that that want to set up shop here. I hope they keep doing what they do. And I could not care less what the land was used for before they moved in.

 

 COMMENT 376690 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:27 PM

636...its actually the Simple brand of shoes......not the detergent Simple Green.

 

 COMMENT 376691 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:28 PM

I used to watch the geese land there.

 

 COMMENT 376692 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 01:30 PM

685.. So True!!!

 

 COMMENT 376715 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 02:03 PM

The building might sink into the slough. That's all marshland. Used to be an island (skeleton island) by the Goleta harbor where many Chumash were buried, but the government came in and shoveled it into the slough to make an airstrip. Respectful, eh?

 

 COMMENT 376722 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 02:17 PM

Awesome troll post.

 

 COMMENT 376729 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 02:56 PM

We are fortunate to have such a large employer like Deckers in the Santa Barbara area. They provide much-needed well-paying jobs and contribute to our economy. I wish them continued success.

 

 COMMENT 376730 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 02:57 PM

They wouldn't have gotten this far if it was.

 

 COMMENT 376787 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 05:07 PM

Deckers is wonderful and we all wish their employees well. But...is it really prudent to invest so much into facilities given the whims of the retail market? You'd have to have steel nerves to even trade their stock these days. And is a beautiful new facility really going to improve their ability to design shoes, manage overseas manufacturers, or recruit? Reminds me of the move by Network Hardware Resellers to the Taj Majal. From the outside it looks like executive level hubris.

 

 COMMENT 376792P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 05:23 PM

I made the SNAG comment above, and I choose to keep my identity private because of some of the crazies. I'm also part Native American -- Iroquois.

I have never encountered so many pretend First Peoples in any other place, who try to use the 'sacred Native American site' argument to fight everything they're opposed to. All of nature should be treasured and treated as sacred, but most people live and work in buildings nowadays, and every site on the south coast can't be opposed as "sacred ground." It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. I had a group of SNAGs tell me that there was NO acceptable place for a local business, as every place that was possible between Rincon and Gaviota was off limits. "It's all sacred ground." You lose your credibility with that stance, especially when you're less Native American than I am, and have spent far less time living in native ways.

I once worked for Deckers too. It's a pretty good company. I'm glad they're building and staying here.

 

 COMMENT 376803 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 05:42 PM

Did you see the huge piles of landfill prior to the build?
That was supposed to compact the soil. hmm.
We shall see...
That whole area was under water not too long ago.
Swampland..and yes it is a sacred Chumash burial site. end of story. Respect the natives!

 

 COMMENT 376864 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 07:07 PM

Funny Stuff Here - Glad to see them in the area with much needed jobs. As far as Mama Earth goes - I drove to the midwest last summer with my son - miles and miles of open range - corn -soy beans - wheat - parts were over run with deer and elk - I think the Mama is very healthy and has a few thousand years left in her - just say'n

 

 COMMENT 376894 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 07:53 PM

The thing with Deckers is that yes they do have several brands, but only one of their brands does well compared to other known brands. And of that one brand, Ugg, only 3 or 4 of their models of shoes out of an Ugg line of possibly 30 (max) models per gender does serious money. I wonder what % of overall revenue is generated by the Classics line. It didn't help their cause when they raised the prices by about 15-25% in some sort of response to market-saturation.

 

 COMMENT 376908 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 08:23 PM

After the Painted Cave fire many people wanted to rebuild on their same site. The county required a site survey by an archeologist to determine if Chumash grave sites existed. This is common practice.

 

 COMMENT 376910P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 08:24 PM

Drove by the two-story construction site today and lament the loss of open space and the view. Another big box monstrosity for Goleta.

 

 COMMENT 376912 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 08:25 PM

Man, those buildings are a sign of the times. I'm a former long-time Delco employee (and an employee of other companies that have been on the property).

I remember when the buildings behind Kmart went up in a similar fashion ... pre-poured concrete walls tilted into position by cranes. They've been doing ground prep for years now. Wonder if those new buildings will hold up?

 

 COMMENT 376922 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 08:46 PM

I don't think you know what big box means, 910P. This is a corporate site, not a Target or a Walmart.

 

 COMMENT 376927P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 09:06 PM

Hermes, you think Target and Walmart aren't corporate sites? While you're educating about "big box stores," you'd better look up "corporate." And this thing is one obtrusive big box filling in more open space.

 

 COMMENT 376935 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-20 10:04 PM

That's stupid. The phrase "big box" refers to retailers, not the corporate headquarters of a company which sells its goods wholesale. I see the context in which you were using it, I simply don't agree. :)

 

 COMMENT 376962P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 07:01 AM

All of this land was sacred Chumash ground.

 

 COMMENT 376979 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 07:39 AM

All land is sacred, no matter what your heritage. My wish is that we remember that; soon.

 

 COMMENT 376988 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 07:56 AM

Whose land was it before the Chumash's immigrant ancestors arrived? My ancestors lived, died, and are buried here. I don't consider it "my" sacred land, it is OUR sacred land.

 

 COMMENT 377004P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 08:21 AM

What there was, was an extensive and interesting city of ground squirrels, and I miss them. I also shudder to think of how or whether they were disposed of, because I don't see any sign that they have set up shop anywhere else.

 

 COMMENT 377012 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 08:27 AM

Just to point out, yes Deckers is building their new corporate HQ BUT they are also building a 4000 sq retail store for locals in the front of the building.

 

 COMMENT 377014 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 08:32 AM

The original immigrants 15,000 years ago followed the Siberian Land bridge and the ancient California coast. So their sacred land is now under water.

 

 COMMENT 377021 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 08:44 AM

It is only sacred Indian land so long as they developers hire "Chumash" or other hispanics with pony tails claiming "Indian ancestry" as monitors at $65.00 an hour to stand around and see if any "sacred" rocks or twigs might turn up!

 

 COMMENT 377033 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 09:06 AM

how quickly we forget where we come from -- yes, all our(?) land is sacred and we humans are only a very small part of the whole earth/universe, something we just seem to forget or pay no attention to.

 

 COMMENT 377057 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 09:51 AM

The time for lamenting ancient history and historic injustice, visited upon or committed by anyone, is long past. It was the Sapnish first, then the Mexicans who subjegated the native people in California long before the Californians arrived. Much of what these present day "Indians" claim was "genocide" was nothing but the ravages of communicable diseases that no one knew much about, let alone how it was transmitted or how to cure it. Whether bad things happened to people centuries ago is not something that should be used to parley special status and benefits today using a "guilt trip" or "sympathy card" by those who never had anything bad done to them or to hold historic injustices that may have occurred against the millions of people today that never did anything bad to anyone.

 

 COMMENT 377084 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 11:08 AM

Geez, time to short DECK. Who knew there was so much bad juju under their new building?

 

 COMMENT 377130 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 12:43 PM

All tilt-ups look pretty bad when they are first stood up. I'm sure they will make this a nice looking building by the time it is finished. No need to panic!

 

 COMMENT 377236P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 04:07 PM

Uh, no I'm not the American government and I am even less the American government of a hundred or more years ago.
I really believe that this tendency towards blame and self-victimization needs to end. Sure, Native Americans were grievously wronged and that has been addressed countless times and in countless ways, maybe not all of them adequate.
Actually we all came from somewhere else, even Native Americans who crossed the frozen Bearing Sea.

Had to Google "Aho." Thought you were saying something else there at first.

 

 COMMENT 377287P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-21 07:41 PM

To me, the term, "Big Box Store" came about because businesses simply built buildings that looked like big plain boxes-nothing more, nothing less. I am sure that this building in Goleta will look like a big box, because they don't have the strict guidelines for architecture that SB has.

 

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