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updated: Feb 15, 2013, 4:35 PM

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 COMMENT 374873 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 05:23 PM

How typical. Cut services, increase rates.


 COMMENT 374877 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 05:27 PM

how are those salaries doing?


 COMMENT 374889 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 06:26 PM

The one part of the SBMTD's budget that is soaring is the one part they can't control: the price of fuel. SBCC students are only paying an average of 76 cents a ride, when the cheapest adult fare (10 ride pass) is currently $1.15 cents a ride. It stands to reason that SBCC students ought to pay at least some additional fare given the subsidy they currently receive.


 COMMENT 374903P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 07:10 PM

889, all SBCC students have to pay this bus fee whether or not they use the bus. If there are twenty thousand students paying the fee but less than half are taking the bus, I believe the MTD are already making out like bandits.

Maybe if you're really interested in fairness, you could help get carpoolers, bike riders, skateboarders and the walkers to SBCC a refund on that bus fee.


 COMMENT 374907 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 07:43 PM

Yes 903!!! Many Sbcc don't use it but still pay, including myself. I think they make out very well!! Sbcc had soooo many students


 COMMENT 374911 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 07:56 PM

Boo hoo... More utopian wealth transfer programs failing. Duh. Why does the cost of the fares not cover the cost of the service?


 COMMENT 374912 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 07:56 PM

Every night we have an empty bus drive through our neighborhood for 9-12. No fares, and the most polluting vehicle on the road? An empty bus. It's a diesel too, not a natural gas model. Just a waste.


 COMMENT 374918 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 08:16 PM

The figure is: Total amount of revenue paid by SBCC students (Divided By) total number of trips by SBCC students. The result is that SBCC students pay 76 cents per ride.

Example: SBCC students pay $10,000 per year. They use the bus 10000 times in one year. They pay $1 per trip. If they only used the bus 1000 times, then they would be paying $10 per trip.

So the figure already includes the fact that not every SBCC student rides the bus.


 COMMENT 374931P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 08:52 PM

Bus fee = $26 multiplied by 20,000 SBCC students = $520,000.00.

If 10,000 students use the MTD, there is a windfall of $260,0000.00 on the backs of SBCC students of which an enormous number use other alternate modes of transportation.

Also, students who use their own vehicles are paying for a parking pass and still paying this bus fee. This is a community college. Talk of sticking it to the students is a bit unseemly when it appears that the MTD is the one who appears to be the party rolling in rose petals in this particular matter.


 STRAY agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 08:52 PM

Here's the kicker that got me: "College students account for 15 percent of MTD’s ridership and that they pay $60 in student fees for a bus pass?—?a relative bargain at even twice the price."

MTD should raise the price of that bus pass. Public transportation all year for $60? Why such a subsidized rate?
the SBCC bus pass would be a bargain at $200!

I mean, consider the alternative.....one would pay more than $60 just for a SBCC parking permit....or just a week's worth of gas......or just a month's worth of car insurance....not to mention the price of a car itself, registration, and maintenance.?

Even a decent bicycle costs more than $60.


 COMMENT 374934P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-15 09:31 PM

But STRAY, why should I pay for that bus pass when I don't use it at all. I bike or, sometimes, drive to SBCC, parking at the Waterfront. Charge those who use the bus whatever it costs and not have the fares be part of the enrollment fees.


 COMMENT 374951P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 02:31 AM

The question is: Why aren't more students utilizing MTD? Shame on them for imitating their parents and driving everywhere all of the time.

There is no doubt that more than 1/2 the students jostling for parking space near campus could and should be riding the bus. I applaud all the kids who ride the bus, ride their bikes and use their skateboards. Many thanks to the kids who don't contribute unnecessarily to air pollution and wasted fuel.


 COMMENT 374959 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 06:50 AM

Cut the Seaside shuttle in Carp. It's empty most of the time.


 COMMENT 374964 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 07:26 AM

For all those complaining about the CC bus rate, I pay it at UCSB as well, AND pay the insanely high tuition rate.

I haven't ridden the bus a single day to school, and I'm a graduating senior.

Don't forget about parking pass, which is less than $100/yr for CC students about about $500/yr for UCSB students.

You really don't have it that bad, I miss the days when I was a CC student. Try writing an appeal to get out of your parking ticket here if you forget your pass, the UCSB parking department is ruthless compared to SBCC's.

The whole purpose of public transportation is that everyone contributes. If you are complaining about paying and not using, I hope you are for lowering taxes on those that don't "use" their money. Not saying I'm for/against that, but sorry, that's how our society functions.


 COMMENT 374969 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 07:44 AM

Benefits for kids that ride the bus: cheaper rides.

Benefits for kids that don't ride the bus but still have to pay: You don't have to compete with the kids who do ride the bus for parking spots.

See how that works?


 COMMENT 374972P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 07:48 AM

The argument that MTD fares should cover MTD's operational costs is simplistic and not practical. Carrying that argument to its logical end every road should be a toll road and when you fly there should be an air traffic control fee. Afterall, it's not fair to ask a pedestrian who never flies to pay taxes for roads and air traffic control, is it?

MTD provides an extraordinarily beneficial service to this community, helping those who cannot afford vehicles and those who make the socially responsible decision to not drive them, get where they need to go. Raising fares should be a last resort. I would argue that MTD provides a public service for *everyone* in that they help reduce traffic, reduce polution, and get our workforce and students where they need to go. For this, they deserve public financial support.
(Disclaimer: I don't work for MTD or have any close relationships with anyone who does).


 COMMENT 374977P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 08:01 AM

374972 actually drivers pay for roads upkeep through tax and licensing fees so perhaps those using alternative transportation should be kicking in using your logic. Air travel does have fee's - airport/911 security and fed taxes as well.


 COMMENT 375005 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 09:16 AM

It should be known that while students do pay for this pass, they pay SBCC for the pass, not MTD. SBCC then pays MTD for the number of rides used by students. Any monies paid by students, to SBCC, who don't use the bus, is kept by SBCC.

It should also be known that the students who use the pass, get unlimited rides 24/7 and use the pass as many as 5 or 6 times a day.

There are many people who do not attend SBCC at all, but enroll in a class for the sole purpose of getting the pass. They never attend the class and the tuition was paid for by the tax payers in one of a few grants available.

The students who use the bus are getting the best deal that can be found in SB!


 COMMENT 375090 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 01:18 PM

Services cut and fares go up - typical.

Then on the other hand, the SBPD recently took delivery of a fully militarized, Homeland Security, $500,000 Darth Vader style "crowd control" (!) vehicle... on the taxpayer. Nice (rolls eyes).

Topsy turvy world indeed....


 COMMENT 375156 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 04:45 PM

All student should pay the transportation fee for one simple reason. We have to learn how to adopt more efficient modes of transportation, and the bus is one of them. A car barely gets 1.5 MPG/ton with a 100 lb occupant, or 3 MPG/ton with a 200 lb guy. A freight train gets 423 MPG/ton. A bus is somewhere between that, around 150 * 50 * 8 /2000 = 30 MPG/ton.

We will run out of petroleum in these student's lifetimes, somewhere around 20 to 40 years from now. Yet, we're still burning through resources like there's no tomorrow. The U.S. passed peak oil in the 70's. OPEC is now drilling in deep water, and that is an indication they are peaking or have peaked. Nobody goes after the costly stuff if the cheap stuff is still abundant.

Like it or not, we have to conserve valuable resources.
The gallon of gas you burn today could be some kid's heart valve replacement tomorrow.


 COMMENT 375185 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 06:30 PM

The absurd thing is that heat engines, like what you have in your car, throw away 75% of the energy as heat. Out the tail pipe and out the radiator, energy is wasted, with no useful place for it to go.

So when you buy $80 of gas, $60 of it gets wasted. You only get $20 converted into mechanical energy. The laws of thermodynamics dictate that's the best you can do.

Now think about all the useful things we can do with petroleum. Plastics for thousands of useful things. Feed stock for all sorts of industrial processes. And when we need fuel for something mobile, like a fire truck or an airplane, it is one of the densest sources of energy you can have.

50 years from now, we will look back and ask, we had so much petroleum, and what did we do with it? WE BURNED IT. That's like using works of art for a camp fire.

At least a bus uses it for dozens of people rather than ONE.


 STRAY agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 06:56 PM

I repeat: raise the $60 annual fee charged to SBCC students. At double that price, an MTD bus pass would be the best student transportation deal in town.

With extra revenue, MTD could keep the current buses rolling or perhaps add more service to the Isla Vista/SBCC corridor.

13,000 folks each year left stranded at stops because the buses are full? Wow, that's a lot of potential revenue lost because of the limited MTD fleet.

The educated folks on this thread have articulated a variety of reasons why bus transportation is the most efficient for the dollar. Makes sense to me.


 COMMENT 375209P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 08:00 PM

No one is stranded at a bus stop. You simply wait for the next one. Or, the one after that. That's done everywhere that mass transportation is used. You could even show up much earlier and beat the anticipated glut. It's public transportation. Not door-to-door cab service. Using a false sense of urgency to panic and herd people is a little unfriendly.

A number of people saw this issue haunting the horizon, again. An inquiry was made within Student Services in the last eighteen months about the fees and where the money goes. The question was asked of a full-time, regular employee (not a student worker). I was told the money is sent to the MTD- the school only collects it for them but they do not keep it. Clarifications from both institutions is certainly in order, at this point. $260,000.00 in unused bus fees every semester is going somewhere.

Viewing students as cash cows is as old as the hills. It's a dadgum shame that in this day and age, our society rewards outright treachery.


 COMMENT 375219 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-16 08:51 PM

No one is stranded, but it's not unusual for students to take the latest bus to make class at a certain time. So if they don't get on, they get on the next bus 15 or 30 minutes later. That means they're 15 or 30 minutes late for class, a test, a lab, or some other deadline.


 COMMENT 375510 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-17 06:02 PM

Some of the buses run only every 40 minutes, or every hour in the summer. Imagine being told you have to wait another hour because the bus is too full. It happened to me.

Problem with increasing the $60 fee for SBCC students is that the non-bus-riding students might not be willing to accept that (they get to vote--or at least they do at UCSB). Then no one gets the pass, and MTD doesn't have their guaranteed source of revenue. It is a tricky balance.


 COMMENT 375981 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-02-19 07:19 AM

Imagine having to pay for a road you never drive on. Oh wait... we do.


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