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updated: Jan 24, 2013, 10:53 AM

Some confidential files released this week on clergy sex abuse in the Los Angeles Archdiocese, reveal ties to at least one prominent local religious figure.

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 COMMENT 366993 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 11:28 AM

According to the 2010 Association of Religious Data Archives based on US Census stats, SB County has a narrow Catholic majority over everyone else -- 222,104 declared Catholics vs. 201,791 declared everything else.

Is this why so many speak out about violence against dogs while so few speak out against children entrusted to Catholic clergy?

I'm wondering because the glaring lack of outrage makes no sense to me. I knew people who experienced molestation by the local Catholic clergy and their lives were scarred forever. The innocent victims have my blessings for eternity.


 COMMENT 367009 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 12:03 PM

@993 here -- Ooops! Major mistake. I misread the data chart for SB County in the Religious Data Archives:

Catholics number 146,940 while there is a majority of 276,955 that is everyone else.

This makes the lack of local outrage even more curious than I originally posed.


 COMMENT 367018P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 12:19 PM

That Msgr. Curry and Cardinal Mahoney are still in their power positions speaks volumes about the Catholic Church management model, right up to the tippy top of the Vatican. They both should have resigned in shame and taken up work in a homeless shelter serving soup rather than hanging onto administrative jobs. Were it not for the statues of limitations, maybe they would be hanging out with Bernie Madoff in an ecumenical cell. But we have a devout Catholic friend who is in complete denial that abuse happened, or that these great men could be culpable of hiding such vile acts. "God is great"..."God's will be done."


 COMMENT 367035 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 12:57 PM

I am a lifelong, practicing Catholic and every Catholic I know is sickened and disgusted by these vile priests who should be representative of our faith. I do not know a single Catholic who is in denial of, nor defends, these monsters. Every Catholic I know agrees that they should be doing time. What they have done to ruin the lives of young men is horrific.

I do not know if we will ever know the true numbers of these abusers. I hope it is a small percentage. Over my lifetime I have known many extraordinary priests. They have been men of ethics, character, compassion and service. I hope the good ones are the rule rather than the exception.


 COMMENT 367040P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 01:06 PM

Boy Scouts, college athletic leaders, Catholic Church. Respected American institutions run by men, whose leaders place themselves on pedestals of authority and respect. They allow our children to be abused then cover it up.


 COMMENT 367044 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 01:15 PM

Why do they still retain a tax-exempt status?


 COMMENT 367052P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 01:38 PM

Simply in inexcusable!

ALL of this information needs to be releases ASAP. No more hiding, protecting & blaming the legal system!

Are our children safe anywhere anymore when out of the house trying to have fun?

Scouts, church, schools, playgrounds, friends' houses on sleep overs, YFL, on & on. Sad


 COMMENT 367064P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 02:02 PM

I always look back aghast at my days in middle school here. PE was a class everyone had to take. Showers were mandatory. And there were always the creepy teachers and staff that had to pass out towels to the naked kids and to watch the kids shower. This happened in both the girls and the boys shower rooms. As I look back, I can't believe the systemic perversion and no one did anything to prevent it. And those teachers, they're sitting on their fat pensions now.

So, the Catholic church doesn't surprise me when our school system is just the same.


 COMMENT 367076P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 02:22 PM

93, seriously, you are going to complain about posts related to animal abuse or death?! Really?!!! We are all in this together. No form of violence or suffering is OK in a civil society. Decent people especially abhor maltreatment of innocent and dependent creatures.
Instead of dividing, try to unite with your comments.


 COMMENT 367077P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 02:25 PM

009, you make a lot of presumptions. How do you know there is a lack of outrage? Speak for yourself. People grieve and rail in different ways, not all with big public, theatrical displays.


 COMMENT 367094 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 03:13 PM

There is a good letter to the editor in today's Times that talks about how Mahoney and Curry seemed to take a flexible stance in dealing with the morality of the sexual assaults and what to do about them ("we weren't required by law to report it", "the statute of limitations has run out...."). This stance is very much in opposition to the firm moral rules that are enforced by the Catholic Church (priests can't marry, Catholics can't use contraception, can't vote for pro-lifers, etc) on many modern day issues. Very hypocritical.

If there is a god that judges us after our death, then those 2 guys will be in big trouble.


 COMMENT 367119 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 05:03 PM

94 for the win


 COMMENT 367154P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 06:41 PM

Curry presided over my oldest son's confirmation. What a flit. We all had a good laugh about his affected voice and mannerisms. That said, my children made it out of CCD unscathed. By the time they were 15 and confirmed, they had had enough. And never went to church again. One lay teacher talked about miracles and the highlight of their year was some quack coming in with a slide show of aborted babies. I was raised Catholic in the 50s and early 60s and had nothing but positive experiences from the priests and nuns. I did my duty and put all kids through a Catholic religious experience. But that was then; this is now. They are now well adjusted, accepting adults who don't need religion. And I am over it.


 COMMENT 367191P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:27 PM

154 - Absolutely the same for us, Baby Boomers of the 60's & our kids. I'm so glad they're 30 now and missed that "nasty" season.


 COMMENT 367261 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-25 08:19 AM

@154 & 239 I wonder if your experience was different from those whose children were molested because of wealth differences from those who were singled out for their being less likely to retain lawyers, etc. "At-risk" children were singled out.

This information would have been available (via confession, church counseling, etc.) to advantage the perps over the most vulnerable children.

It is tacky that you both would blithely give your versions as if it absolves a rotten institution of willfully inflicting great harm on children. It's becoming clear that the child molesters weren't run out because they were condoned by those in high positions of power and/or the organization harbors so many child molesters that it is viewed as a normal part of the culture.

If you gave weekly donations to this organization then your money subsidizes these actions.


 COMMENT 367720P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-26 11:38 AM

speaking of outrage, when will religious institutions start paying taxes like the rest of us poor schmucks?


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