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Freeway Improvements
updated: Jan 23, 2013, 8:57 PM

By Edhat Subscriber

Does anyone know exactly what the freeway improvements are going to accomplish between Carpinteria and La Conchita? The CalTrans website is woefully lacking for information. It looks like they're building a wall between the northbound and southbound lanes? Are they adding lanes in one direction? In both? What exactly are they doing?

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 COMMENT 366793P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 10:14 PM

I wish I knew. It is taking a long time and I drive it back and forth everyday. I feel bad for the LaConchita residents and those in Mussel Shoals, but they are the ones who chose to live in such remote areas. Instead I commute to Thousand Oaks each day.

 

 COMMENT 366805P agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 12:38 AM

Google.

 

 COMMENT 366810 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 06:03 AM

They're relocating the traffic jams that frequently occur near La Conchita further north into Carpinteria.

 

 MESARATS agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 06:21 AM

Plus elininating parking on the coast for a improved bike path. The only way to access the beach on that stretch will be to park at La Conchita, unless you are on a bike.

 

 COMMENT 366830 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 07:15 AM

They are adding a 3rd lane from Seacliff to somewhere in Carpenteria. But the Montecito people won't let them add a 3rd lane in their stretch of road and because money talks, there will continue to be backups where the 3 lanes converge down to 2 on either side of Montecito.

What I want to know is why this project is scheduled to take until 2016? Don't they have more than the 3 workers that are currently on the project available for this? I thought we had an unemployment problem in this state? Hire 100 workers and get it done THIS YEAR!

 

 COMMENT 366831 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 07:16 AM

We only lose 280 surfside parking spaces....forever.

 

 FLICKA agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 07:23 AM

I hope the work includes safer freeway access from the "remote (??)areas" of La Conchita and Mussel Shoals. It's a shame cars won't be able to park along the freeway, they never seemed to be any kind of hazard.

 

 COMMENT 366840 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 07:28 AM

But hey, you will be able to ride your bike northbound on the ocean side separated from oncoming seventy mile an hour traffic by a k-rail. What fun. While I'm clutching my handlebars in fear, not able to appreciate the view, I'll surely be thanking the imbecilic coastal commissioners who ensured this design which eliminates coastal access. risk management nightmare.

Soundwall at mussel shoals was a part of project, also eliminating crosss traffic at la Conchita and mussel shoals. Third lane each way.

 

 COMMENT 366847 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 07:44 AM

A third lane is added each way so you whining drivers can make the trip more quickly. Much safer non-freeway parking is added at La Conchita with an easy pedestrian underpass to the beach. No more climbing over K-rails and rocks. A seaside bike path separated from vehicle traffic completes the Pac Coast Trail bikepath between Carp and Ventura, and includes a stop in La Conchita. We'll see many more families enjoying a Sunday morning ride along the Rincon, and even more business and higher property values in La Conchita. Try not to h8 it so much.

 

 COMMENT 366853 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:05 AM

Monkey business.

 

 COMMENT 366855 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:07 AM

We always just did the "La Conchita Crawl" through the drainage tunnels under the highway to the beach.

Yeah I'd like to see a count of how many more people - especially "families" are actually going to ride their bikes between Carp and Ventura. For a "family" to ride their bikes from a neighborhood area of Carp (let's start at Linden for a central point) to La Conchita is nearly 5 miles. And then they have to get back (and get up that hill) another 5 miles. The serious riders will do it just as they do now. But anyone with a family and a lick of sense would be riding on safer city streets to nicer beaches with accommodations suited for a family.

Another waste of money for a "feel good" project.

 

 COMMENT 366865 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:18 AM

366830 - some day, a relative of an influencial state official will be maimed or killed in traffic in Montecito. Then stay out of the way and watch how fast the bulldozers roll. Sad that relatives of non-influencial people are harmed along this dangerous stretch of 101 in the mean time, but at least some day the problem will be fixed. This is how several other bad stretches of 101 were eventually brought into the late 20th century.

 

 COMMENT 366872 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:23 AM

Google 'Highway Widening Santa Barbara'

*Phase 1 - Milpas to Hot Springs Operational Improvements Project
*Phase 2 - Santa Barbara County/Ventura County Highway 101 High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) Lanes
*Phase 3 - Linden Avenue/Casitas Pass Interchanges with Highway 101
*Phase 4 - South Coast 101 High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) Lanes (10.3 miles)

 

 COMMENT 366880 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:31 AM

830's information is incorrect.

There will be a third lane through Montecito. It hasn't gotten to that phase of the project yet. There's a more complicated bend in that area and structurally, it will be the last part of the area done for that reason.

It's not being held up by anyone, just the scope of the project itself.

 

 COMMENT 366885 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:42 AM

Is there any reason this project will take longer than World War II? Is it harder to add a 3rd lane for this stretch than to defeat the Axis Powers? I'm glad these contractors weren't responsible for fixing the damage after the Northridge earthquake- they might still be working!

 

 COMMENT 366892 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:58 AM

Question:

How was it that our transcontinental railroad was built through virgin territory, requiring track base, bridges and tunnels to be constructed, using crude tools by today's standards, and despite delays due to the civil war, built in less time than it takes to widen our existing freeway from 2 lanes to 3 from Santa Barbara to Ventura?

Answer: they assigned more workers to the task

 

 COMMENT 366894 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:02 AM

The primary purpose of these improvements is for congestion reduction particularly in the areas that have been studied to have congestion routinely and even worse congestion during busy periods. Congestion reduction also qualifies as a safety purpose or objective because it reduces rearend collisions and swerving occuring when traffic unexpectedly slows or stops due to the congestion. Lastly it is for the safe entry or exiting of traffic entering and exiting the freeway at on and off ramp access points.

 

 COMMENT 366899 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:08 AM

I was a junior in high school when the Northridge quake hit, and I remember how quickly construction crews jumped on the repair work which was estimated to take at least a year. They knocked it out well ahead of schedule and the contractors earned some huge bonus for being months ahead of schedule. Boggles my mind that they can't take care of this work before the next Summer Olympics. As someone else already pointed out, with so many people out of work these days (I understand they need skilled & experienced workers for much of this) you'd think they could scrounge up a few extra hands.

Don't get me started on adding a lane through Moneycito, I used to work with a woman who lives there, and we fought over adding a lane there all the time. The whole "we don't want to be LA" argument makes me want to beat the **** out of something.

 

 COMMENT 366917 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:38 AM

HOV lanes....No help for you unless you have two or more people in your car.

 

 COMMENT 366922 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:47 AM

STRAY..... one thing you forget is that the labour force used then was made up of Chinese imports: dirt cheap and expendable, worse off than slaves.

 

 COMMENT 366929 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:52 AM

You can complain all you want about "Moneycito", but it is just those people who have fought hard to made sure that developers over many many years were not allowed to build high-rise apartments and towering homes on the ocean side of Cabrillo, etc., to save the view corridor...and that is some feat, if you look at so many other cities around the world.

Not wanting freeways to look like LA is weak, though, understandable, but lame. Driving through Montecito already feels like being in LA when the traffic is so backed up there.

 

 COMMENT 366956 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 10:27 AM

917 - HOV lanes. Inflatable dolls solve that problem (vehicle occupancy).

 

 COMMENT 366962 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 10:38 AM

People complaining about the time it's taking for the project to be completed and how too few workers they hire to complete these tasks, be aware that it is all union labor and they don't want to hire too many new people because then they'll be forced to put the extra labor on the union payroll and benefits programs... And then there would be Grumpier Caltrans workers. My $0.02

 

 COMMENT 366981 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 11:14 AM

It takes longer to do the work when you are keeping both existing lanes of traffic open in both directions. Also, the tax dollars paying for this accrue over time so the work is stretched out rather than take a big hit on other non-existing State funds. Check out sbroads (dot com) website for work and phasing details.

 

 COMMENT 367100 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 03:54 PM

956- That is not what inflatable dolls were made for and it has been tried before. The problem is when the officer approaches and the doll keeps the same ooooh! surprised look.

 

 COMMENT 367188 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:18 PM

HOV just during rush hour, the rest of the time and weekends all three lanes will be open to all traffic.

 

 COMMENT 367196 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 08:50 PM

The improvements are going to improve the bank accounts of the out-of-town contractor and the communications infrastructure for the government. Look at all the nice new conduit going in.

 

 SPARKEY agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-24 09:07 PM

Stray: they didn't just have more workers, they didn't have unions, seismic requirements, idiot officials running things, or people speeding through the work zones at 70+ mph. They did however endure terrible weather, Native Americans, crude tools and less technology.

 

 COMMENT 367389 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-25 11:49 AM

"How was it that our transcontinental railroad was built through virgin territory, requiring track base, bridges and tunnels to be constructed, using crude tools by today's standards, and despite delays due to the civil war, built in less time than it takes to widen our existing freeway from 2 lanes to 3 from Santa Barbara to Ventura?"

Easy. No such thing as NEPA, no such thing as CEQA, no permitting processes. Unlimited resources, no environmental review, and a desire to actually build infrastructure.

 

 COMMENT 367409 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-25 12:20 PM

It would've been nice if they had staged this a lot better - then there wouldn't be such a huge work zone, set up seemingly moments after Milpas was finished. If they could work on a mile at a time, it might not be quite as bad.

 

 COMMENT 367483 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-25 03:53 PM

A mile at a time loses efficiency. If you think of construction in phases, you get demolition equipment together and do a whole multi-mile stretch before releasing the equipment. If you have to move pipes, culverts, and conduit, then you get that equipment together and work on that, etc. If you do one mile at a time, you have to keep paying for all the various kinds of equipment, skill sets, etc throughout the entire project, which is much more expensive.

Put another way, you don't build a house a wall at a time for the same reason.

 

 COMMENT 367671 agree helpful negative off topic

2013-01-26 09:33 AM

They need way more workers. it mostly looks like a skeleton crew .

 

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