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So Cal Edison Hearing
updated: Dec 07, 2012, 2:47 PM

By Edhat Subscriber

My November SCE bill includes a notice of public hearings due to a proposal to increase the opt out fees for customers that don't want smart meters installed. For most customers (those not receiving a discount) the Initial fee will increase to $98 from $75 and the monthly fee will increase to $24 from $10. A hearing will be held December 14 at the SB County Building at 3 pm to discuss this proposal.

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 COMMENT 351454 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 03:36 PM

We opted out of the smart meter. They put a yellow 'do not instal'l smart meter tag on the meter. They came back recently and took the tag off and installed a smart meter anyway. Looks like we don't have a say in this whatsoever.


 COMMENT 351456 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 03:38 PM

The only way to stop them is to contact them and pay the initial fee and the monthly fee. Or if your meter is in an area of your yard that they can't access due to locks or a big mean dog.

If they pass this new fee then it is a substantial burden for people that don't want a smart meter. From $120/yr to $288/yr. It would make me think twice.


 COMMENT 351480 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 04:08 PM

Not really much of a choice, is it.


 COMMENT 351496P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 04:37 PM

Go for the smart meter. Ever since ours was installed the Internet is faster, coffee tastes better, my headaches went away, and I get more channels on my TV.


 COMMENT 351500P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 04:50 PM

LOL 496P.

The "do not install sticker" only works if you pay the initial fee and the monthly charge. If you opt out of paying, you get a smart meter. If they installed in spite of your paying the fee, then they need to arrange for the old meter to be put back. The contractor goes where he is told to go. If SCE made an error and gave them the wrong address, then SCE needs to fix it.

The fees make sense when you realize that they have to send someone to read your meter when the others are read automatically. That is an expense that the individual must pay. The rest of us, that opt for the smart meter, should not have to pay to have your meter read.


 COMMENT 351511 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 05:18 PM

@500P The new meters aren't read "automatically". The reader now only has to read it electronically from sitting in the truck in front of your house. The fee is to pay for the guy to get off his a$$ and actually read the meter. The fee is designed to be a deterrent to opting out. Plain and simple.


 COMMENT 351513 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 05:23 PM

511: There is no person in a truck electronically reading your meter. Smart Meters send the data constantly (and automatically) to SCE. You can see the data for yourself on their website.


 COMMENT 351521 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 05:37 PM

511 - from SCE dot com: " What will happen to the meter readers?
As installations progress throughout the SCE service territory, meter reader positions will be reduced and eventually eliminated."

With smart meters, there is no reader in a truck. The smart meters use an RF mesh device as part of the 2-way communication between SCE and the meter. No reader, no truck needed.

I guess the opt-out fee is being used partly to pay the remaining meter readers/truck maintenance/fuel/etc.


 COMMENT 351544 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 07:09 PM

So.... for all those meter readers they no longer have to pay for... is the charge for your energy reduced since they are saving so much money? And as for the 'cost' of sending someone to manually read your meter, well, isn't that what they've always done? So with all the meter readers that are no out of a job, where is the 'extra' cost in sending a few remaining people to do the job that they've always done?


 COMMENT 351579P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-07 09:42 PM

It seems that they have the power, and we don't.


 COMMENT 351599P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 12:22 AM

The whole thing is a scam-holding those who cannot afford to buy a home, hostage to a corporate state. Imagine you are a person who by some other reasons other than your choice, are forced to move from your rental multiple times in a year. Each time you move, you must take the steps of opting-out all over and and therefore re-pay the initial opt-out FEE!!! Hello! Why should renters or temporary workers be forced into this weird arrangement with a utility company? It's like they are holding our electricity and health for a ransom/or hostage. I emphatically oppose the decision of the City of Santa Barbara to accept this dis-functional relationship. They voted Smart Meters OUT in Ojai, altogether. Why did we allow these folks to come in and take over our territory? It's sick.


 COMMENT 351669 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 09:00 AM

Im sorry for those who suffer from the perceived effects of radio waves - but why is it you expect society to bend to you?

That's not the way the world works. You and only you have to adapt to your environment - not the other way around. Its arrogant and selfish to think otherwise...

So I'd advise those with issues to seek out places where they can be relieved of such issues. Move, change, adapt to the world around you - do not expect the world to bend to your idiosyncrasies and special needs...


 COMMENT 351691 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 09:39 AM

ummm 669 I was under the impretion we still live in a free country. Being able to opt out of something millions of people feel is an infringment upon their privacy would seem to be something other then "expecting the world to bend to your idiosyncracies" You obviously have not read much about the meters if you think the reason is "percieved effects of radio waves" Try googing it's easy and wonderful. Keep bending and losing your liberties to corporations if that is how you feel. Some of us cherish our liberties and privacy and will fight for them. A very Proud American!


 COMMENT 351697 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 09:55 AM

So smart meters are a threat to our liberties now? Where were you people when the Patriot Act became law? Jeeze. Have a little perspective.


 COMMENT 351703 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 10:12 AM

Im sorry but you're a little confused as to what freedom means... it doesnt mean that you're free to have the world bend to your needs - it means you're free to think and act (within reason) on your own terms. If this is a real "problem" that affects you, than you're more than free to move somewhere where its not and certainly more than free to unplug - BTW, Millions of people believe the earth to be 2000 years... its not.

The whole issue is psychosomatic and is wholly unfounded in science. Its a placebo. Yes there are effects from EMR but the levels are no where near what you receive with any consumer device... You can read all you want on the web or you can study the actual science and understand the realities of EMR....There are plenty of places where you can avoid modern life all together and instead receive your EMR directly from the sun, the largest most prolific emitter in the universe.


 RHS agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 10:15 AM

Thank you 697 for some sanity in this discussion.


 COMMENT 351708 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 10:20 AM

If the smart meter is a way of saving the company money, then why don't they offer the public the option of accepting the smart meter for a REDUCTION in their electric costs. That would make sense, but of course, the smart meter is not really "smart" it is smart business enabling the company to increase profits and eliminate the jobs of meter readers!


 COMMENT 351725 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-08 11:14 AM

One final comment: I wonder why people feel that a remote reading of their electricity usage is more of an invasion of privacy than a human walking onto their property to read their meter...

As a staunch advocate of personal privacy and someone who not only supports the EFF and ACLU financially but also spends a sizable amount of time working towards greater transparency in the advertising and marketing industries; this whole issue confuses me and seems to be more of a canard than anything.

If people knew what data was being collected about them by much more nefarious agencies and companies they'd spend their time fighting for a real cause instead of this fear-mongered cause du jour. Yes, I am serious.


 COMMENT 351983 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-09 03:33 PM

I am sorry for the meter readers and it would have been nice to receive a reduction for having the meters, but I see the paranoia has spilled over from the medical records discussion


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