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updated: Dec 05, 2012, 10:27 AM

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The four vehicle crash that injured many people on the 246 yesterday was caused by a drunk 18 year old on his way to lompoc from the Chumash casino

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 COMMENT 350479 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 10:33 AM

One guy who is 18
under aged drinking-DUI- No License-No Insurance-

 

 COMMENT 350482 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 10:34 AM

Wow. Driving home drunk at 6am from the Chumash Casino? 18 years old? Jeez. Is the casino open 24 hours? Did they serve him liquor?

 

 COMMENT 350484 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 10:49 AM

Tragic, but we must remember that alcohol is not a dangerous drug.

 

 COMMENT 350489P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 10:57 AM

I bet alcohol wasn't the only dangerous drug in his system.

 

 COMMENT 350492P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 10:59 AM

If only everything were legalized, we could all feel safe.

 

 COMMENT 350494P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:01 AM

492P, clearly the legality is not the issue here.

People who commit these types of crimes would do it whether it was legal or not. People who WOULDN'T commit these types of crimes WOULD NOT do it whether it was legal or not.

 

 COMMENT 350499P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:11 AM

Alcohol wastes another life and damages many others. Looks like the Casino has some explaining to do but I am sure they will find an escape goat to blame this on.

 

 COMMENT 350500P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:12 AM

The Chumash, with their deep pockets, should be responsible for the injuries and damage caused by this 18-year-old, DUI at 6AM. Don't they have any oversight of who's drunk, who's not at their 24/7 Casino? Aren't they trying to expand their liquor license?

 

 COMMENT 350503P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:17 AM

Obviously our punishments for driving under the influence are not strong enough to deter people. Think of all the lives he's wasted. If only he was too scared to drink because of the consequences....he wasn't even legal drinking age....

 

 COMMENT 350506 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:23 AM

Gee.. another fearless and in-experienced teenage driver....

 

 COMMENT 350507 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:24 AM

Contrary to others, legality is a major issue here. Without the legal issues the young man would be freely walking the streets tomorrow with no incentive to reform. OK, he will probably be openly walking the streets tomorrow but he will be facing numerous court appearances.

 

 COMMENT 350522 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:51 AM

Where'd my escape goat go?

 

 COMMENT 350523 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 11:51 AM

520 - seriously!

This is about an underage drinker hanging out at a casino til 6am and possibly drinking at the casino (we won't know til all the facts are in) and then causing a terrible accident.

The fault is entirely on the driver for getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. BUT, I think there should be some examination of the role played by the casino, especially if he was drinking there.

 

 COMMENT 350529 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 12:00 PM

Yet another inexperienced drunk driver causing problems for everyone else.

 

 COMMENT 350533 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 12:03 PM

522 - you beat me to it lol

 

 COMMENT 350545 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 12:25 PM

Don`t blame the casino....casino`s & booze, & the mixture thereof...are Western concepts.

 

 COMMENT 350550 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 12:37 PM

Waitaminute. I've been to that casino. It is difficult to get served there, AT ALL, and I'm a fully grown woman with an ID to back up my age.

Many of you are claiming the casino has culpability in this. How? Could it be that this guy, like many others, brought in liquor in a flask? The rules are so draconian for the Chumash casino that the control has been wrested from them. I sincerely doubt that this kid bought a drink at a bar at the casino. I bet one of his friends bought him a cheap bottle of something and he drank it sneakily.

 

 COMMENT 350553P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 12:56 PM

523, ROFL....

 

 COMMENT 350557 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 01:13 PM

One simple fact - it is nearly impossible that he got served at the Casino - alcohol is strictly monitored - you get carded even if you look like you're 40. He is responsible for sending 10 people to the hospital, wrecking 4 vehicles and all that law enforcement and recovery. I can only hope that justice is served and that he gets the maximum sentence (which may likely not be very long) and has to pay restitution.

 

 COMMENT 350558 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 01:20 PM

Have any of you ever heard of a fake ID? Jeez, I knew guys in college who looked 16 but were able to pass for 21 with the help of a fake. It's pretty common among kids who want to drink.

553P - not sure what is so funny about this to you....

 

 COMMENT 350560P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 01:28 PM

The kid also did not have a drivers license. Was it revoked? Is he here illegally? More questions...

 

 COMMENT 350566 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 01:41 PM

The crime rate in the SY Valley has been exploding since that casino was put in, now with an expanded liquor license.. It will be even worse!

 

 COMMENT 350588 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 02:56 PM

Good luck, kid.

 

 COMMENT 350606 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 03:39 PM

If he had been smoking weed instead, he would have just fallen asleep with a bag of Doritos in his hand watching cartoons on TV.

 

 COMMENT 350608 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 03:42 PM

606 - plus he wouldn't have been up at 6am!

 

 COMMENT 350626P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 04:22 PM

It was my understanding that you can only get served at that ultra expensive dinner place called The Wiilows. Now they are arguing for a more liberal alcohol distribution. This incident (where the driver probably drank somewhere else, or from a flask), should be more than enough to drop that entire arguement. Highway 154 was never that safe to begin with, (think of runaway stagecoaches), but it it is getting very busy (what with the 101 closures off and on), and people just don't know how to drive on it. Big rigs running down the pass with no brakes, motorcycles weaving in and out of traffic, big buses out on a wine tour, and by the CHP 's own admissions they don't have enough staff or patrol cars to adequately patrol those areas. I realize that highway 246 was the origin of this post, but I felt the need to stand up on my soapbox and preach. I'm done now!

 

 COMMENT 350641 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 05:02 PM

@529; do experienced drunk drivers cause fewer problems?

 

 COMMENT 350664P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-05 05:46 PM

246 is nice and wide to support wide loads to VAFB, so it's not highway design or inclement weather - it's an irresponsible idiot, and unfortunately there's not a way to fix stupidity or hold irresponsible people responsible before they do something.

 

 COMMENT 350818 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-06 09:00 AM

503..... Seriously? An 18 year old too scared to drink because of the consequences even if he was aware of them?? You are kidding, right? You've never been around young people who can spin their justification to disregarding "old people" rules better than any politician.

This has nothing to do with the severity of DUI laws; they are pretty severe - as a first offender (if that's the case) he will face felony DUI charges. If that doesn't "bring him to Jesus", as it were, the restitutions he will have to pay to the family of the deceased and to the other victims surely will.... monthly payments for the next 10 years at least. This kid's life will never be the same - believe me.

 

 COMMENT 350936 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-06 12:46 PM

"think of all the lives he's wasted" - seriously? Not saying this wasn't a bad crash and a bad decision (driving drunk) but no one died.

escape goat definitely made me laugh.

I've got to stop reading the comments!

 

 COMMENT 350974 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-06 01:47 PM

Another young man nearly died not long ago falling from the Chumash parking structure after drinking too much. The Chumash were issued a temporary license for expanded alcohol sales a year ago despite hundreds of reported police incidents for alcohol, drunk driving, drug sales and under the influence and over a hundred protests filed. There is a pending protest but the temporary license will remain in effect until the protest is resolved and the expanded sales currently occurring could become permanent and even more available. The casino is a crime wave, covered up by politicians who are afraid to say anything because these people claim to be part Indian and play the race card whenever possible to silence criticism. Under very suspicious circumstances the County agreed to withdraw it's protest to the expanded alcohol sales. The civil law presents no protection because of a quirk in federal law giving Indian tribes legal immunity from lawsuit.

 

 COMMENT 351045 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-06 04:24 PM

350606 - That the vision I have of 50% of high school seniors when they should be studying.

 

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