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updated: Dec 02, 2012, 7:47 PM

Panga rams Coast Guard boat, kills Chief Officer.

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http://www.independent.com/news/2012/dec/02/panga-boat-rams-kills-coast-guard-chief-near-santa/

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 COMMENT 349599 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:02 PM

The pangas and their mysterious crew are no longer some 'harmless' smugglers bringing bales of pot in. Now they're killers. The drug war has come to Santa Barbara. Wow.

 

 COMMENT 349601 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:06 PM

Very sad, and very sad that many out there think it's America's fault.

 

 COMMENT 349603 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:10 PM

601:

It's equally sad to say that Mexico is the only one to blame. They wouldn't be in business if we didn't create and fuel the market.

My condolences to the officer's family.

 

 COMMENT 349604 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:10 PM

Simple. Legalize pot in the us and nasty,dried out, mexijuana will no longer be of worth in this country. Everybody that is anti- marijuana should brace themselves, legality is coming

 

 COMMENT 349605P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:11 PM

RIP- here is an article with quotes from this young man earlier this year. He knew the risks these smugglers posed to our shores. http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/01/midnight-marijuana-smuggling-attempt-halted/ Those who blame the existence of laws (commenters on Indy article) for the murderous actions of others are nothing but apologists. It is never ok to take someones life. Dont romantacize the panga boats, please.

 

 COMMENT 349607 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:12 PM

Prohibition kills. Very sad.

 

 COMMENT 349608P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:13 PM

603- you are wrong. There are more than a few drug users in Mexico and South america, and drugs are illegal there too. However, it is always more fun to ""blame america".

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:29 PM

I'm sorry this officer lost his life but he knew the risk he was taking. Maybe from now on the Panga boats should be blown out of the water. They should know the risks too..

 

 BECKY agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 08:45 PM

I completely agree, Roger. Killing an officer in the performance of their duties, whether or not you agree with the laws being enforced, should automatically result in death or life in prison without possibility of parole. We hire cops and military to enforce our laws. Thugs should know that harming those who we hired to protect us will result in their death or the permanent loss of all their freedoms. The certainty of punishment is more effective a deterrent than the severity of punishment, but both together is quit effective a deterrent.

My sincere condolences to the officer's family and colleagues.

 

 COMMENT 349619P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 09:18 PM

It seems as if it is getting worse and worse by the day. I send my prayers to the family. Since police can't slow it down now the coast guard killed. I would be rather angry that things here keep getting worse all around and not better like they want up to believe. Maybe the citizens should take actions since there is not enough people do to the job.

 

 COMMENT 349620P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 09:24 PM

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 COMMENT 349622P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 09:37 PM

Panga came ashore in San Luis Obispo county last week and they arrested several of them one of who was charged with assaulting a deputy there.

 

 COMMENT 349624P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 09:58 PM

Ok, so we legalize drugs. But they are now taxed. Smuggling still occurs because there is still money to be made.
Or maybe I'm wrong and the smugglers all become waiters because there is more money in waiting tables.

 

 COMMENT 349627P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 10:14 PM

+1 for Roger & Becky. Bravo

I completely agree in that the panga boats just need to be destroyed right there on the water.

If they are going to be aggressive towards our military, yes, the U.S. Coast Guard IS military, then it's "open season."

I'd say the gloves should be coming off big time after this horrible incident.

 

 COMMENT 349629P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-02 10:24 PM

So sad, and so cowardly of the panga boat crew. It is the people on that boat, not any law or political situation, that deserves the great majority of blame.

 

 COMMENT 349633P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 12:19 AM

Roger, I say we proceed with your method!!

 

 COMMENT 349636P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:00 AM

For those wanting to shoot first, to blow the boat out of the water, what if there were no contraband in the boat but just several men who, however they got the boat, we're trying to come to America? Or perhaps just leaving from having left off cargo? Or? Would you still say to act violently first? What if these boats, anticipating violence were to become heavily armed with a machine gun or two?

Seems to me there are questions to be asked about why and how the small, open boat, the Panga, was able to ram the Coast Guard's interceptor boat, cause the accident that killed the unfortunate Mr. Horne, and then leave. Unless they are caught, unlikely, we won't know the answers. Tragedy for the officer's family. Another apparent casualty in America's war on drugs.

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:09 AM

Oh Ok I guess your right I sure wouldn't want to hurt anyone that was out to take advantage of my country or kill me. They have rights too...That's why we let them know that if they are in a panga boat it's going to get airborne when we blow them out of the water.

 

 COMMENT 349638 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:09 AM

As long as we continue the charade that is the War of Drugs, we'll have thousands of young killed, millions arrested and billions in profits from both the warmongers and the drug dealers.

Anyone who says the War On Drugs is worth it or working has no merit in the conversation. Its a absurd premise and has literally destroyed America from the inside out. Whether its the warrior like mentality of the police or the treatment of a disease as a criminal act - the 'war' must end. Decriminalize all drugs - all.

 

 COMMENT 349640 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:12 AM

My deepest sympathy. He will be sadly missed.

It is time to stop down grading America. This kind of talk negates all the work being done by all branches of law enforcement working 24/7, risking their lives to keep us safe.

Love it or leave it.

God Bless America.

 

 COMMENT 349645P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:26 AM

Right on 640. I didn't know the officer but so sad to hear what happened and wish that the coast guard had responded by shooting and killing everyone on the boat. Harsh yes but we need to send the lesson that this type of situation won't be tolerated.

 

 COMMENT 349649 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:43 AM

No drugs were found. Sounds like this is entirely the USCG's fault for attempting an illegal search on a peaceful vessel.

 

 COMMENT 349654 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:16 AM

Since the efforts to legalize pot have started meeting with some degree of success there has been a proliferation of smuggling and now violence. The state and city had had best reconsider their positions and stem the tide of violence as it is spilling into our communities.

Now that squid season is over, what will the fleet do for income?

 

 COMMENT 349656 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:18 AM

@649, I hope your joking.

 

 COMMENT 349661 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:30 AM

Solution: Blow them out of the water. Snipers @ the borders too please. Enough is enough. Mexico is a larger threat to America than Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran. If any country needs US troop occupation, it's our irresponsible neighbors to the south.

 

 COMMENT 349663 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:39 AM

without offending the nanny,or singling anybody out. All we have to do is read some of these posts to understand why this country is swirling towards the drain.

 

 COMMENT 349664 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:39 AM

Let's have a little respect for this serviceman and stop calling him an officer. He was an enlisted man....he WORKED for a living.

And Independent....what the hell is a Chief Officer??? It's Chief PETTY Officer. Rank of E-7. There is not nor has there ever been a rank of Chief Officer in the history of the world's militaries. Just because no one affiliated with your left wing rag ever served in the military doesn't mean you can't do 10 seconds worth of research to get your article right.

 

 COMMENT 349665 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:42 AM

636p: are you kidding me? If they weren't doing anything wrong, why would they ram a CG boat? They are felons for that fact alone. It is just that kissy-faced, coddling lib attitude that makes this country what it is today, and things like this happen all the time. It's time to fuel up the boat, head out and do some target practice.

 

 COMMENT 349666 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:46 AM

Here we go again. Drug addicts blaming violence on the illegalisation of their drug of choice.

Cure your addiction. That is the solution.

And YES, it IS an addiction.

 

 COMMENT 349667 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:47 AM

@665
How do you know the vessel being stopped rammed the Coast Guard vessel? How do you know that it wasn't an accident? How do you know that the CG vessel didn't execute an unsafe maneuver and cause the collision?

Ya know, it's funny. Every time I ask someone who has been in a car accident who was at fault, I get just one answer: "the other guy did it."

 

 COMMENT 349669 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:51 AM

"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin

This quote is a response to all of you who are advocates of the drug war and / or shoot first ask later mentality.

I personally find it sad that so many of you are brainwashed and indoctrinated. Perhaps some history lessons would help but I doubt it...

 

 COMMENT 349672P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:53 AM

+1 Rodger. Shoot first, then tow in for the dockside photos and disposal.

 

 COMMENT 349673 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 07:58 AM

As soon as that vessel decided to run at night without proper lights it was in violation of the international COLREGS, It was operation in US waters and the USCG had every right to board them. By not stopping to render assistance they also violated may international maritime and local laws. Semper Paratus Horne.

 

 COMMENT 349675 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 08:02 AM

A quote from the article... "Additional Coast Guard assets were able to stop the fleeing panga, and detained two suspects,” said Eggers. The incident remains under investigation and the names of the two suspects have not been released. It’s unclear if any drugs were found in the panga.

 

 COMMENT 349677 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 08:13 AM

667:

You bring up a very interesting point.

 

 COMMENT 349680 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 08:19 AM

624P hit the nail on the head. Legalizing drugs would just make the smuggling problem worse. Anyone else remember that big turnip smuggling operation the Department of Homeland Security broke up last month?

 

 COMMENT 349699 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 09:41 AM

What we need to understand is SB County has become a port of entry. Those panga boats routinely bring cargo into the United States unchecked. Its only a matter of time(if it hasnt happend already) before they bring in enemies to our country, weapons of mass destruction components and/or drugs other than marijuana. They are using our beautiful coast to do this and I cant be the only one who is concerned with this issue. This is not about legalization of marijuana, this is now about unchecked cargo being smuggled into the United States through the Santa Barbara County Port of entry.

 

 COMMENT 349701 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 09:44 AM

Innuendos, assumptions and downright rubbish on this thread.

Outrageous and ignorant to infer the Coast Guard officer was to blame for his own death. Considering there is practically no information regarding the incident.

 

 COMMENT 349704 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 09:47 AM

Geeze talk about a soft underbelly. Hopefully this will up the ante with people guarding our coast. What if these guys got hired by Iranian terrorists to ship in a dirty bomb? The whole thing about securing our borders vs a supply of dope thing some people can make a living is a joke. Sad about the serviceman no matter his rank. If you have ever driven a boat, you would know that to deliberately ram someone is a pretty obvious maneuver. Especially if you are running with no lights and they are well lit. I really hope the Coast Guard and Homeland Security ratchet it up a few notches. You can't just go sailing down to mexico with your goods land on the beach and do what you want. You would be rounded up by Federal-es and have AK-47's pointed in your chest. Then who knows what would happen depending on which side of the law the Mexican law enforcement was on.

 

 COMMENT 349705 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 09:48 AM

Next time instead of sending an intercept boat, send an Apache to light up the Panga.

And thanks to this brave service member who died while protecting our shores.

 

 COMMENT 349712P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 10:14 AM

699 thru 705, thanks for those comments.

 

 COMMENT 349718 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 10:29 AM

I would like to add that these are obviously not nice people on a plight for a better life. No one is running around that far out in the channel at night without running lights unless they are broken down or up to no good. It is a huge ticket for not having all of the proper safety gear on a boat. Especially that small a boat that far off the coast. No drugs on board? DUH they are thrown overboard in a few seconds.

 

 COMMENT 349720 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 10:48 AM

Unfortunately, from reading the papers, one realises terrorist cells are here, already a threat to our safety. However, Homeland Security and other branches in charge of our safety have been responsible for breaking up many of these. For which I am thankful, and deeply grateful for those brave men and women.

However, we should pay a lot more attention to what is going on specifically in this area and on our borders.

No other country in the world would show flexibility to a foreign intruder without official documents and a passport. America is a great, safe and strong country, where one can speak one's mind, work hard, and earn a living.

Let's keep it that way

 

 COMMENT 349722P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 11:00 AM

69-Ben wasn't taking about a war on drugs.

Ben had many quotes-the most memorable one was about putting a basket over someone's head. The modern quip replaces basket with bag.

 

 COMMENT 349726 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 11:18 AM

Well just wait until piracy starts to kick in around the back side of the islands with some of our more well to do yachting residents (ie money targets) running around out there. I think it is time for the Coast Guard to put a permanent station out there on the islands. None of these panga's have been armed yet, but I think that is a matter of time unless it is deterred very soon.

 

 COMMENT 349732 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 11:50 AM

Right. Ben was talking about a war re taxation without representation. Simply, the British throne was working and driving it's own subjects/colonists to financial penury, while ignoring their rights and demands.

No drugs in this case, that we know of. Unless one counts the King's revenue from the commodity, tobacco!

 

 COMMENT 349751 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 12:19 PM

So Panga boats can only bring in pot? I didn't know they all followed this rule. Oh wait, there's other drugs and that human trafficking too. I guess legalizing marijuana can't solve everything.

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 12:31 PM

Whats your addiction @666 I know it's SATAN!

 

 COMMENT 349760 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 12:56 PM

It's freaking tragic when Coast Guard didn't even fire on the vessel after it ran over the inflatable with 4 CG on board, at a high rate of speed, and killed one of their own.

The smugglers arrested will be processed and returned to Mexico after a short stay in jail. Laughing are the Sinaloa leaders at how lax the security is off the coast of SB and how weak the use of deadly force policies when WE are confronted with such.

 

 COMMENT 349786 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 01:44 PM

These smugglers aren't stupid. They know if they occasionally smuggle people to the US in these boats that that will soften our rules of engagement. There is no way that we can simply blow these boats out of the water unless we are 100% sure they contain only smugglers.

Would be a PR nightmare to have the Coast Guard fish dead women and children out of the ocean.

 

 COMMENT 349792 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 01:58 PM

For every 1 boat caught, Id have to guess at least 10 other attempts result with succesful trips.

This boat probably just made its delivery and was heading back to mehico to load up with more.

These drug runners will also use towable "torpedo like" cargo carriers, that they can let go when the law comes around. The cargo filled torpedo then sinks when released. Later from a remote control, a device inflates bladders in the torpedo cargo carrier and brings it to the surface for retrieval.

Why was the small dinghy chasing the panga to begin with ? Why not approach the panga with the cutter, or helicopter?

 

 COMMENT 349795 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 02:05 PM

Women and children hurt or killed during one of these activities would be collateral damage from illegal entry and not the responsibility of the UNITED STATES law enforcement personnel protecting our land and sea in their line of duty.

 

 COMMENT 349799 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 02:11 PM

Just like women and children hurt and killed in overseas drone strikes, right? Just because it might be legal doesn't make it moral.

 

 COMMENT 349806 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 02:33 PM

349699.

Did you hear a recent KEYT news report that said the drug cartels had taken over local gangs and were running things on our streets? I hadn't heard that in the news before. Panga's do deliver human cargo, not only drugs. Who knows what else? Goleta was almost bombed during WWll. Wealthy cartels are developing their own small submarines. The problems are huge.

 

 COMMENT 349819 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 02:58 PM

751, it's nice to hear you're in favor of immigration reform as well as legalizing pot.

 

 COMMENT 349822 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 03:09 PM

799 Criminals who endanger their own lives and the lives of their women and children when they knowingly take risks which include possible discovery and exposure to armed police enforcing our laws, the laws of our country: these unlawful and illegal criminals are to be exonerated from the immoral, irresponsible, careless, cruel and wilful exposure of their women and children to an uncertain and cruel fate?

Don't blame your own country and people, blame those who come here as criminals.

These people are as cowardly as cruel as terrorists who hide and store weapons and rockets behind men women and children, schools and suburban housing.

 

 COMMENT 349824 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 03:12 PM

So it's okay to kill innocent people if we kill bad guys too?

9/11 really did some terrible things to this country.

 

 COMMENT 349832 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 03:27 PM

I'm not cool with immigration but what if we had blown this boat and its passengers to bits just to find they had no pot or drugs. Which they DID NOT find if any of you don't know that yet. If a guard was coming at me possibly with a gun pointed at me and probably yelling at me over a loud speaker, I might have done the same.

 

 COMMENT 349840 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 03:46 PM

349832 - No...I do NOT know that they have or have not found any drugs because as of 3:45 pm that information has not been disseminated.

Therefore you do not know either.

 

 COMMENT 349858 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 04:20 PM

Nobody is advocating killing innocent people. Nobody wants war.

When two forces clash each side makes decisions and the outcome of these decisions is what we are left with.

Yes, 911 was terrible and it did make a big difference to us. For one thing, we have learned to be aware of our surroundings and wary of our trust. A country whose shores have not been invaded since 1812, sadly September 11 th 2001 jerked us out of our innocence and complacency

 

 COMMENT 349863P agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 04:27 PM

349840 the information was out before 345 just because you were uniformed doesn't mean everyone else is. If you had looked on the web rather than spend time responding to others on edhat you could have found that information. News agencies including KEYT had photos on twitter showing USCG members carrying the bales of pot seized into impound.

 

 COMMENT 349911 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-03 06:13 PM

The Coast Guard needs a floating wood chipper.....

 

 COMMENT 349977 agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-04 06:46 AM

349863P - Don't believe everything you see. Fact is that it is 6:45 am Tuesday and NO ONE has released ANY information as to whether or not there were drugs on the panga boat.

That can mean only one thing. That there were none. That simply makes our job prosecuting these guys a little tougher.

 

 ROGER DODGER agree helpful negative off topic

2012-12-04 09:06 AM

Weird I saw them pulling bales out of the water.

 

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