COMMENT 319644
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2012-09-13 08:37 PM |
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If Lois Capps had shown up and attempted to help the business stay in her district 100 people might still have jobs.
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COMMENT 319620P
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2012-09-13 07:47 PM |
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...and yet, if Lois Capps showed up, you'ld be complaining about politicians using the situation to advantage and taking credit, and about big government interfering in private enterprise. Nice try.
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COMMENT 319644
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2012-09-13 07:07 PM |
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The company is not going out of business. it's relocating the operations performed at its facility in Carp to other, more profitable locations overseas. Where is Lois Capps on this? Why is she not making any effort to help the company stay in her district? Why hasn't Capps held a press conference explaining her plan to keep those jobs from moving overseas? 100 people are losing their jobs and Lois Capps is nowhere to be seen.
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COMMENT 319481
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2012-09-13 03:20 PM |
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That is a bummer. Start your own business...
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COMMENT 319378
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2012-09-13 12:55 PM |
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352p - Clipper is in serious financial distress - the Carp location is closing and others soon to follow. This country is not quite ready for wind turbines - it's been a nightmare for their industry.
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COMMENT 319352P
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2012-09-13 11:28 AM |
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I've heard that the Carpinteria branch of Clipper WindPower is closing; is that correct?
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COMMENT 319333
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2012-09-13 11:01 AM |
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P.S. to continue 319317, this had nothing to do with taxes, doing business in CA, SB, or Bangladesh. The facility and management were just plain rotten and big brother finally put an end to their misery. Simple enough? Any other former employees wish to corroborate?
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COMMENT 319333
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2012-09-13 10:26 AM |
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I used to work as an engineer at that facility. The building used to be a lemon packing warehouse and has been crudely transformed over time into a high tech manufacturing floor, not very successfully I might add. Based on my experience, I can say that in assessing the need to bring the facility up to 21st century safety standards (birds, bats, and squirrels nest in the rafters and the place would go up like a stack of kindling wood at the slightest spark) and the needs of any high tech manufacturing operation (power, water, storage) it just does not make sense to be there. Also there has been rampant mismanagement and some very poor business decisions made there over the past few years and I'm sure Tyco International (big brother) has had their fill. This and price pressure for their high volume products (high voltage relays), though tragic for all the dedicated and hard working people there and the surrounding businesses that supported them, was a long time coming.
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COMMENT 319314
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2012-09-13 10:21 AM |
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@ 185 ditto ditto ditto... I think a good 80% of these readers just don't get it. Very SAD !!!!
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COMMENT 319304
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2012-09-13 10:02 AM |
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Ya'll fergittin', Carpinteria lost it's charm many, many years ago, ' bout the time Smith's changed to Vons.
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COMMENT 319294P
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2012-09-13 09:44 AM |
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To the many people saying it is not taxes, are you actually saying it does not cost more to do business in California than in other states? Doing business in California is highly expensive and then you have the increase in cost for doing business in Santa Barbara county. It is not just the federal taxes it is all the other additional costs of doing business here. That is one of the reasons business owners incorporate in Delaware when they never plan to do business there. I work with many business owners and health care for their employees has significantly increased. Annual fees to the secretary of state for legal filings. Not to mention permit charges if you are in construction. What is the point of having to get a permit when the inspectors don't do their jobs anyway? We have allowed the government in this state to grow far too large. It is overreaching its intended purpose to a point that we are not free to be individuals with private properties and small businesses. It is disheartening to see so many that think everything is just fine.
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COMMENT 319291
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2012-09-13 09:38 AM |
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More hope and change at it's best.
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COMMENT 319644
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2012-09-13 09:37 AM |
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Where is Lois Capps to save the day? If this company was opening its doors and adding those jobs Capps would hold a news conference on the company's doorstep taking credit. But she is nowhere to be found when businesses are closing.
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COMMENT 319288
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2012-09-13 09:36 AM |
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Boo hiss?? Do you know how hard it is to keep a business running here? The state imposes ridiculous regulations like installing handicap elevators in hotel swimming pools. The cities and counties try to tax every little thing you do. The paperwork to deal with all the employment regulations is ridiculous. The question isn't why are they leaving. The question is why the heck would anyone stay in business here!
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COMMENT 319280
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2012-09-13 09:26 AM |
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This isnt a local company, its a division of a large multinational corporation. Most of you havnet a clue about business - taxes are never the issue. The very nature of a free market proves that if there is a profit to be made, someone will make it regardless of the costs of doing business. To manufacture this type of stuff in Carp is silly - so they made the correct business decision and moved. Jobs are not guaranteed nor are companies required to operate at a loss or near loss to appease a few old hippies. Its amazing how little some of you understand about capitalism.
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COMMENT 319620P
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2012-09-13 09:23 AM |
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@244P, they could also tear it down and put in hotel condo complex. It would do quite well. ...and yes, the company could have moved to the Carp industrial park quite easily if they cared to. The big Corporate parent didn't care.
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RHS
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2012-09-13 09:07 AM |
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To do something about these business sharks we need to value labor and create respect for the right of people to a fair quality of life. To do this we need to:
1. Reduce world population to eliminate the cut throat competition for jobs which the people with money exploit
2. Create uniform rights for working people everywhere which would include things such as a limit on the maximum hours worked a week; elimination of child labor; government funded health care; removal of environmental hazards on jobs; decent housing
3. Eliminate the ability of corporations/businesses to exploit our environment such as the ship scrapping yards in India and Pakistan; the computer salvage yards in Africa and Korea; the filthy coal industries in India and China; the oil filth being created in Africa and South America; pollution of water tables by "fracking" poisonous chemicals in the ground; etc.
Then jobs would go to the more productive workers and would stay close to the consumers to reduce transportation costs.
These better practices wont be implemented because our government is run by business and finance (jGoldman Sachs in particular) whose game is to garner as much wealth for the few as can be had while the rest of the population settles into servitude of one kind or the other.
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COMMENT 319378
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2012-09-13 08:59 AM |
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There is always a need for electronic assemblers and techs - many of these folks will hopefully be able to find job elsewhere. One of the better agencies out there for jobs like this is Aerotek in Oxnard. They have many listings in the SB area. Wish the best of luck to everyone affected by the plant closure. Sad to see this happen.
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COMMENT 319255P
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2012-09-13 08:56 AM |
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@250. Don't forget health insurance. Our company's health insurance costs jumped 20% after the healthcare bill was signed into law.
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COMMENT 319250
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2012-09-13 08:47 AM |
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Let's also not act like federal or state income taxes are the only taxes or fees businesses pay. Therefore simpy comparing federal tax rates between today and some point in the past is silly. The overall cost of doing business (forms, lawyers, various "smaller" fees and taxes, workers' comp, etc.) has skyrocketed over the recent past.
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COMMENT 319244P
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2012-09-13 08:38 AM |
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208P, who is going to move a "more fitting" retail business into a small town that just lost 100 well-paying jobs? Now that people routinely worship at the feet of online / big box retail you can be waiting a while for small retail to fill in any gaps in your town.
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COMMENT 319231
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2012-09-13 07:53 AM |
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SBCC has job-retraining programs. Check them out. This is a role for all community colleges in the state. Check out Ventura and Allan Hancock as well to see what they offer for either short-term or longer job retraining opportunities.
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COMMENT 319230
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2012-09-13 07:51 AM |
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@222P
Why haven't you, then? We've had a minimum wage in this country for a hundred years. And there's nothing preventing you from picking up your operation and moving to Somalia, Libya, Yemen, or some other low tax, low government paradise.
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COMMENT 319222P
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2012-09-13 07:21 AM |
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FRESHPAVEMENT: I disagree with your analysis and your historical account of corporate tax rates. Ditto, 78P and numerous others here.
But what do I know, I just actually run large corps that employ many. I don't follow political ideology.
And 190, the day people like you get to decide what is a "fair" wage for me and my company is the day I shut down, fire everyone, and move overseas.
Good luck this November
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FRESHPAVEMENT
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2012-09-13 07:08 AM |
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I'm sorry to hear about the loss of a local company and the many people that will lose their jobs as a consequence. As a local long-time business owner (we have about 30 full time employees) I have to say that taxes are not a determining factor in where my business is located, how profitable we are or if we are indeed profitable at all. If I can't run this business profitably, it is not because of the tax rate. I would happily pay higher taxes to help fund public education, public safety (fire & police), public infrastructure and more aggressively protect our air & water. Our parents and grandparents paid taxes at a higher rate than we do today (and somehow still did OK) and that paid for the fantastic place we grew up in with the finest infrastructure in the history of the world. Maintaining that is not free, and I would argue it is an investment well worth making.
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COMMENT 319230
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2012-09-13 06:41 AM |
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We could cut taxes to 0% and GIVE every company a cash grant of $100000/yr, and it wouldn't change the fact that: A. The Chinese have to work for slave wages ($3/day)
B. The Chinese government subsidizes their exports and taxes ours
C. China is a dictatorship. What we need is to charge high tariffs on Chinese goods to bring their prices into line with the free world.
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COMMENT 319620P
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2012-09-13 06:22 AM |
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Well, as Carp developed, the manufacturing that took place there became an outlier. Local businesses such as restaurants that benefited from the hundred employees were also conflicted by those same employees parking their cars in the downtown business district, using spaces that are in high demand on nice beach days and in tourist season. Change is good, and perhaps we'll see a few more retail businesses that are more fitting with the location, as well as a remodel that takes advantage of the spectacular views. Historical note: Nuclear bomb trigger switches were one of the early products built here. Peace out.
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COMMENT 319197P
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2012-09-12 11:01 PM |
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It is not about taxing corporations out of existence. Taxes used to be MUCH MUCH higher. If people do not have money in their pockets to spend, then there is no longer quantity to make a profit. So what has to happen - slash wages, by going overseas. Please try and support your claims with facts. FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL "Total corporate federal taxes paid fell to 12.1% of profits earned from activities within the U.S. in fiscal 2011, which ended Sept. 30, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That's the lowest level since at least 1972. And well below the 25.6% companies paid on average from 1987 to 2008." CORPORATE TAXES ARE THE LOWEST SINCE 1972 (Before making a claim, google is at everyone' s fingertips. It is SO EASY to make sure that what you are about to type is FACT not FICTION.)
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COMMENT 319255P
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2012-09-12 10:01 PM |
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In the not too distant future, we will all be paid what the Chinese are paid now. It's the price of globilization.
And I'm a firm believer in Be American, Buy American. I just wish more Americans would practice this.
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COMMENT 319193P
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2012-09-12 09:48 PM |
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190, at least one person on here is thinking clearly. Thank You. IMHO, this move, from what little we were told about it, sounds more like them not wanting to pay American workers a fair and decent wage then anything else. I doubt wel'll get fair and objective reporting in this country for a while.
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COMMENT 319190
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2012-09-12 08:59 PM |
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People keep saying it costs too much in taxes to do business here, but that is such an open-ended statement. It would be nice if local media would dig a bit. Who owned this business? Who gets its profits? Is there a billionaire behind it that could have lived with a couple million less in profits so his workers had the benefit of a safe workplace environment, workers comp, and even health insurance? You pay at one end or the other. The people who had the jobs either need work and good compensation to have a decent standard of living, or they will need social services.
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COMMENT 319188
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2012-09-12 08:49 PM |
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It costs too much to do business here.
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COMMENT 319185
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2012-09-12 08:41 PM |
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Score one for taxing corporations out of existence!
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COMMENT 319184P
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2012-09-12 08:31 PM |
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Boo hiss. Keep jobs here!
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COMMENT 319197P
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2012-09-12 08:13 PM |
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Their jobs are going overseas.
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