ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:05 AM |
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Possibly Selrose Lane but not sure. Resident fled after seeing the man possibly in the bedroom. He is aprox. 5'9 hispanic male wearing a white tee shirt and blue jeans..SBPD searching the areas.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:06 AM |
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He possibly had a mask on or was holding a shirt to his face.
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COMMENT 310664
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2012-08-21 08:07 AM |
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Can you legally shoot an intruder like this? Not a kill shot, but a couple shots to the knees.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:07 AM |
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The residence has been cleared no one is inside. The victim thought the intruder fled toward the Wilcox proptery..
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:11 AM |
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Discription of suspect 5'9 Dark skinned hispanic male wearing a white tee shirt, Dark over pants. Possibly wearing a baseball cap his face was covered possibly by a mask. He was possibly in his 20's..Victim fled did not see which way the intruder fled. He could still be in the area..
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:13 AM |
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If it were my house and I had a gun I personaly would not care what the law is I'd shoot him. First in the ding dong then upstairs...
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 08:16 AM |
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CSI responding sounds like the intruder got away for now I hope he is not still in the area.
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COMMENT 310679
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2012-08-21 08:24 AM |
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664, you can only shoot someone if you believe your life is in danger. Shooting a guy twice in the knees would look like punishment or torture rather than self-defense, and you'd be in a world of trouble. There's also the chance that the guy might recover and want revenge. Always shoot to kill.
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COMMENT 310686
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2012-08-21 08:38 AM |
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Roger, regarding if you had a gun... California needs to adopt the castle doctrine. A man deserves the right to defend his castle.
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COMMENT 310691
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2012-08-21 08:48 AM |
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If a stranger is prowling inside my house, I fear for my life. No question that shooting is self-defense.
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COMMENT 310696
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2012-08-21 08:53 AM |
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Shooting a prowler is clear cut self defense, just him being in the home gives a homeowner cause to defend themself, their family and their home from harm from an intruder.
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COMMENT 310699
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2012-08-21 08:55 AM |
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@679 - ditto on the shoot to kill.... and then of course you have the retaliation by the rest of the gang, I mean his buddies, who now know where you live. And of course the news is going to disclose your name making your life a nightmare. And the criminal's community is going to want to know why you shot an unarmed man - so your pretty much f'd. Welcome to Cali where the victims are, well, pretty much f'd.
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COMMENT 310700
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2012-08-21 08:57 AM |
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This could have been prevented if NEIGHBORS call 9-1-1 when a suspicious individual is walking around your 'hood. I KNOW who "belongs" on my street and if I see someone "parked" or aimlessly walking around, I confront them with my cell phone in hand and ask them who they are looking for or if they are lost. If they are in a car, I take a picture with my cell of the license plate.
You are responsible for what happens in your neighborhood...
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COMMENT 310708P
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2012-08-21 09:06 AM |
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i know folks like to say they'd shoot someone in their house but honestly, you don't want to deal with that, trust me. if there is an exit, a way out, a way to avoid conflict you should always run. let the cops deal with violent criminals whenever possible. if you don't believe me, ask mr. george zimmerman how well vigilante justice worked for him.
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COMMENT 310711
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2012-08-21 09:12 AM |
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@679 & 664 Got to hit them in the front, no good if they're going away---just sayin'.....
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COMMENT 310725
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2012-08-21 09:26 AM |
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Unfortunately, in some neighborhoods that provide parking for public parks it is hard to determine who belongs there and who doesn't. Does anyone know where this actually happened aside from the speculation about Selrose Lane?
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COMMENT 310730
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2012-08-21 09:40 AM |
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Q: Were you fearing for your life?
A: Yes.
Q: Were you still fearing for your life after you reloaded and shot him 10 more times?
A: Of course.
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DILLYDALLY
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2012-08-21 09:47 AM |
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@711 nailed it. Shooting someone in your house could easily get you jail time. If you point a gun at an intruder and they want to bolt, you can not detain them and shoot them. You will also need to prove you were in actual danger and the intruder ment to do you physical harm. The Zimmerman ordeal is an entirely different situation.
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COMMENT 310733
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2012-08-21 09:48 AM |
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310708P - Comparing George Zimmerman to someone shooting an intruder who is in their house is like comparing apples and Buicks. Not even in the same country. If an intruder is in your house, and you are silly enough to have a hand gun available, then shoot the bastard, and shoot to kill. Make SURE he is dead. That is VERY important. Otherwise there will be two sides to the story. Believe me, you have already endured the hassle of having a stranger intrude into your house, and you will endure the after effects of that for many years. Adding on your ability to defend your house, becoming a local hero, dealing with police questions and handling possible backlash from whichever ethnic group the intruder came from is minor compared to that. Shoot him. You will NEVER get prosecuted.
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COMMENT 310734
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2012-08-21 09:52 AM |
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If an intruder is still coming at me when I have a firearm drawn, or blocks the exit for me or my family to safely pass, the intruder gets shot. That's self defense.
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COMMENT 310738
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2012-08-21 09:56 AM |
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I'd like to know more about the actual incident ... Was it confirmed on Selrose? I live in the area, would be nice to know.
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COMMENT 310739P
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2012-08-21 09:59 AM |
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@700: It's a huge assumption to think that the neighbors would have seen or noticed the prowler. How many people sit outside all morning watching who's coming and going? I'm friends with most of my neighbors, and yet we often go for a week or two at a time without even seeing each other. Someone prowling around a house may only be visible for a small portion of a minute. Do you really think you or anyone else watches their neighbors' houses continuously enough to spot every possible suspicious thing that happens? Also, any neighborhood has various non-residents around throughout the day: gardeners, painters, contractors, utility workers, friends, visitors. If you called whenever you saw someone you didn't recognize, you'd become The Boy Who Cried "Wolf." What I'm saying is that even when people care and try to watch out for each other, it's just not possible to see everything all of the time.
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COMMENT 310740
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2012-08-21 10:00 AM |
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DILLYDALLY - Absolutely WRONG!! You can legally kill ANYONE (who is not a family/household member) that has unlawfully and forcibly intruded into your house, and the ONLY thing you have to prove is that you knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred. The act of using lethal force in this situation shall AUTOMATICALLY deem you to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household. You do NOT have to prove that you feared for your life. Read CA Penal Code § 198.5.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 10:01 AM |
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No one was shot..They were ran thru my WOODCHIPPER..
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COMMENT 310750
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2012-08-21 10:20 AM |
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I was in folsom prison where i met a lifer who shot an intruder 3 times and killed him. He told me that if i were in the same situation that i should only shot twice, at the most, and not above the chest.. these stories always remind me of him.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 11:01 AM |
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Well it's more believable than any politican I'm sure..
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DILLYDALLY
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2012-08-21 11:01 AM |
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Anonymous 740, the Penal Code you quote is helpful reading for everyone. The law "presumes" innocence in that situation, as it should. If in danger, and armed, dont hesitate. You should protect your family and you will be protected by the law. However shooting a burglar carrying a huge TV walking towards the door could result in the DA pressing charges. The facts of the case are always considered and have resulted in arrests when forensics prove the intruder was attempting to exit or otherwise incapable of causing harm when shot. For example from a quick google search. http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/property-611-columbia-walker.html And I recall someone being arrested for shooting a drunk neighbor who entered their home by mistake. I could not find the details.
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COMMENT 310778
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2012-08-21 11:09 AM |
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@ 739. I approach strangers, if they give me grief AND acting suspicous I call 9-1-1. Maybe you have bad perception skills, but I can usually tell who belongs and who doesn't- it ain't rocket science...
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COMMENT 310782
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2012-08-21 11:17 AM |
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After reading all of these comments, it just occured to me I need to go buy a handgun!
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COMMENT 310730
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2012-08-21 11:36 AM |
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DILLYDALLY - You've gotta do better than that. 1. That story you cited was of a man who shot two teenagers OUTSIDE of his home, but on his property. They had NOT unlawfully and forcibly intruded into his HOUSE. Thus CA Penal Code § 198.5 does not apply here. 2. A drunk neighbor who enters your home by mistake has neither entered your home unlawfully nor by force. Thus CA Penal Code § 198.5 does not apply here.
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SHAKEY
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2012-08-21 11:44 AM |
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Some animals should not be taken of there leash at Henry's beach , you never know who's yard or house the'll end out in...
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SHAKEY
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2012-08-21 11:54 AM |
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Just the sound of a 12 gage being racked ( Loaded or not ) will make people run !! No one wants to see if it is..
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COMMENT 310804
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2012-08-21 11:58 AM |
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This article reminded me to perform my once-a-month weapon maintenance. Just finished. I may go this weekend and pick up an extra shotgun for good measure.
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DILLYDALLY
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2012-08-21 12:12 PM |
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Fine... The link was vague, mentioned intruder but also trespassing. But if the door is unlocked its still forced entry, a drunk neighbor entering your home is entering unlawfully and by force if they do not have your permission. http://www.ksby.com/news/california-law-says-it-s-legal-to-shoot-an-intruder-in-your-home/ http://www.gunlaw.com/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=100 http://www.danapointtimes.com/view/full_story/17315810/ar
ticle-Dana-Point-Man-Shoots--Kills-Intruder-?
instance=home_special Read these through, the law presumes an intruder is causing physical danger. The DA, based on the specific incident, can suggest a jury disregard the presumption.
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COMMENT 310850
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2012-08-21 01:30 PM |
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Aurora news not in the news; google aurora church shooting april, 22, 2012. Fortunately the concealed carry had good gun control, an off duty cop. (And Hero)
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COMMENT 310874P
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2012-08-21 02:00 PM |
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If you can get away safely thats always better than shooting someone, shooting and possibly taking another's life should be the last resort. As for the shoot in the legs theory though most people even those with training can't place a shot like that in those situations. The reason police are trained to go for center mass its the biggest area you generally don't have the time or presence of mind to place your shot.
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COMMENT 310730
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2012-08-21 02:04 PM |
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310850 - Yes, the NRA wackos are foaming at the mouth publicizing this story as a reason we all should be able to have guns and carry them concealed. It's kind of like when a car goes off a bridge into a lake and the guy who was wearing his seatbelt drowns and the guy who wasn't wearing his seatbelt was able to get out and live, and using that one example as a reason never to wear seatbelts. Pure balderdash.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-21 03:21 PM |
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What is wrong with owning a gun? Nothing it's good to be able to protect yourself.
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COMMENT 310679
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2012-08-21 04:25 PM |
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My usual strategy when the neighborhood busybody confronts me and asks if he/she can "help me" is to tell them I don't have any spare change.
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COMMENT 311043
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2012-08-21 07:09 PM |
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Sounds like a hot piece to me! Wish he had "invaded" my bedroom, if you know what I mean!
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COMMENT 310850
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2012-08-21 08:25 PM |
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850- One skilled licensed carry could have kept dozens of people from being shot in Aurora. The "shooters" are, and always will be, armed as prohibition (of anything) does not work. Why should society be disarmed bloody bodies on the floor?
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COMMENT 311088
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2012-08-21 10:04 PM |
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I wonder how many other first world countries have regular occurances of violent gun crime.
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COMMENT 310874P
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2012-08-21 10:39 PM |
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310850 I call BS, in a chaotic situation no idea if a skilled and licensed shooter would have even been able to get a shot. The shooting of Congresswoman Giffords in Arizona showed that someone who was there with a weapon was unable to get a clear shot, and by the time he did subject was already being taken into custody by bystanders. That was a responsible gun owner who realized the limitation of the situation he was in, so tired of armchair qb's saying a licensed carry would have prevented a situation. You just don't know whether it would have or not might have possibly led to more casualties also but you don't want to use that possibility in your argument.
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COMMENT 310850
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2012-08-22 07:47 AM |
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874p- I said could not would because as you point out it is not always possible. But it HAS saved lives and our media does not cover it. Disarmed sheeple? Bah!
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RESIDENT
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2012-08-22 09:08 AM |
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730, why do you call NRA members "wackos?" Many of us have served careers in the military and continue to want to defend ourselves and our neighbors. THAT is why the 2nd Amendment was put into the Constitution; self-defense and defense against the potential of a repressive federal government. (Read history.) And if you check the crime statistics, you will find in areas where citizens have been allowed to be armed crime rates have gone down. And the opposite is also true. In areas where gun ownership has been banned, crime rates have increased significantly. Washington, DC and CHicago have some of the most restrictive gun ownership laws. Which 2 cities in the US have some of the highest crime and murder rates?
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FLICKA
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2012-08-22 12:16 PM |
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More often than intruders being shot by armed homeowners, a mishap kills a family member or friend. Kids find the gun and start playing around or someone is shot by mistake, coming in the dark and thought to be an intruder. If the gun is safely put away, how are you to get it in the split second you see an intruder? You'd have to be standing at guard with the gun in hand.
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COMMENT 310850
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2012-08-22 12:24 PM |
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730- If I may add one thing; The second amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, which was drafted to protect the rights of the individual specifically (bill of individual rights). The part about the militia further allows individuals together to enjoy this right. By failing to teach gun safety to all children in school we put all at risk. Like access to drugs, your child WILL have access to a loaded gun at some time. Better they be educated rather than blindly curious.
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COMMENT 310730
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2012-08-22 03:25 PM |
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RESIDENT - "The NRA wackos" implies that there are wackos in the NRA, not that everyone in the NRA is a wacko.
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RESIDENT
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2012-08-22 04:24 PM |
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Well 383 there seem to be "wackos" in just about any group that you can name. So that doesn't justify singling out the NRA. And perhaps those that believe that if we all give up our means of self-defense the bad guys won't harm anyone anymore could be classified in their own group of "wackos."
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