COMMENT 306075
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2012-08-08 07:53 PM |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This is dreadful.
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COMMENT 306078
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2012-08-08 07:58 PM |
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bummer.......
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COMMENT 306095
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2012-08-08 08:41 PM |
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Isn't that a 3,600 acre property? That would be 1 home per 50 acres, doesn't sound like a large scale development, heck, Hope Ranch is beautiful, a scenic drive actually and has 775 homes on 1,800 acres.
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COMMENT 306101
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2012-08-08 08:51 PM |
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Wow. This is BAD NEWS. Opening up that coast for development is unconscionable. We will fight this to the bitter end.
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COMMENT 306103
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2012-08-08 08:52 PM |
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Hear! Hear! Bravo! Bravo! CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!! Finally a deserved win for private property rights in our socialist-leaning south county.
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COMMENT 306105
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2012-08-08 08:54 PM |
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why would this be posted on espn.
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COMMENT 306107
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2012-08-08 08:55 PM |
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Just another example of our local government failing at everything they do.
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COMMENT 306129P
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2012-08-08 11:25 PM |
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If you care about land preservation or Naples, keep up on the news. This land use battle is ancient. Doesn't anyone read the Independent? Next "battle" will be More Mesa. Yeah, we really might need to have development to do the best for More Mesa. Of course I'd rather it be bought. I need to buy a lottery ticket... It is very interesting that the link is from ESPN. Must be due to a surfing connection.
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GILBERT
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2012-08-09 04:34 AM |
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For the " yay for property rights " folks, what you are really saying is- yay for some out of the area entity to change the face of area , with the only goal to line their pockets. You dont have to travel very far south to experience the results of that mentality. I say thank you to Surfrider , Gaviota Coast Conservancy , Naples Coalition and other groups fighting to retain the agricultural zoning that has been in place for decades.
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COMMENT 306136P
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2012-08-09 04:42 AM |
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Here, here.... Well put Gilbert. I completely agree.
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COMMENT 306137
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2012-08-09 06:20 AM |
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As long as they get NO municipal water in the next drought, fine. We are building way beyond our resources.
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COMMENT 306141
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2012-08-09 06:33 AM |
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They'll have issues with obtaining water...no one has any to sell around here. This area will be built out regardless of Surfrider efforts...people just need to sack up and try to limit the development as much as possible, rather than just cry when legal battles don't go there way.
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COMMENT 306145P
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2012-08-09 07:12 AM |
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Well said, Gilbert! As for 103 and those cheering for private property rights, that mentality fought those who wanted to protect the Yosemite valley. What a great private condo/golf course site that would have made! There are some locations, whether rare, as Yosemite, or outstanding for views and openness, that should not be spoiled with private houses - and the Gaviota Coast is such a place (as is the National Seashore on Cape Cod, eg.) But as for water, there is state water or rights to water. Solving, for instance, was stupid and bought too much and its residents have been paying a lot for that past stupidity and probably would happily sell some. Of course, it doesn't exist In times of drought, but who cares: the Naples development would be so rich as to build its own desal. plant. The fight isn't over 'til it's over and great to have national and international awareness of what local judge Anderle said.
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COMMENT 306146
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2012-08-09 07:13 AM |
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Gilbert is mixing up the concepts of individual private property rights with rich developers lining their pockets because they can out spend and influence the law makers. This project will destroy the open space and general well being for all. Remember when the people tried to make this part of a National Park? A few Hollister Ranch folks blocked the idea so their land wouldn't be effected. The 99% get what they pay for. The 1% get to share their non existent paper water.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-09 07:49 AM |
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Santa Barbara Ca. and surrounding communities...SOLD OUT!
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S.B.RON
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2012-08-09 08:00 AM |
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The title of this ESPN article is misleading, as there is NOT approval of the Naples project. There is just not a legal disapproval. This article is reiterating that Judge Anderle upheld his tentative ruling (as he almost always does) and did not agree with the EDC. This was reported in EdHat on 8/1, so there has been no change. Here is the link to the previous EdHat tidbit: http://www.keyt.com/news/local/Tentative-Ruling-Expected-Today-on-Naples-Development-164427006.html The court cases continue.....
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COMMENT 306174P
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2012-08-09 08:13 AM |
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The coast between Newport Beach and Laguna Beach used to be pristine; now it's wall-to-wall development; no idea of the legal/environmental fight that went on there, but would hate to see the same thing happen here. Re the equestrian center; who would get to use it - just the homeowners in that area or everyone?
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COMMENT 306179
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2012-08-09 08:16 AM |
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SB Ron - Thank you for clarifying this for us.
I wait for the day when the financial system tanks and the money isn't worth its weight in you know what. Maybe then the real worth of those with all the cash will really be measured.
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COMMENT 306146
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2012-08-09 08:36 AM |
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Excuse me, I meant 103 and the likes are mixing up.........
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COMMENT 306209
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2012-08-09 08:48 AM |
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This is a disaster. Nothing good will come of this.
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COMMENT 306233
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2012-08-09 09:24 AM |
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The free market works very efficiently. If you don't want development at Naples please make an offer to purchase it. Developers are surprisingly pragmatic. When they consider the cost of development (and the time, legal fees, etc.) they will definitely have a sales price calculated. Once sold, they'll take the funds to another project where they can get a better return on investment. And yes, the Surfrider isn't stupid either. They know the bigger the roadblocks they can erect, the lower the purchase price.
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COMMENT 306233
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2012-08-09 10:13 AM |
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@179. Ten minutes after the apocalypse all that food in your pantry will be sitting in your neighbor's bunker. The currency of the New World is bullets. Good grief, be careful for what you wish for.
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COMMENT 306272
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2012-08-09 10:23 AM |
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#233 seriously? To make that argument you have to ignore that the land was originally stolen from American Indians who weren't compensated - not even close to being a rational or level playing field. The land was then used for cattle grazing which destroyed the watersheds and killed the soil, its potential best and highest use that would be as a functional ecosystem -- they aren't making any more unspoiled ecosystems anymore, dontcha know -- we call those "externalities" "free rider" and "tragedy of the commons". I don't know this specific parcel's history but the largest landowner(s) of the Gaviota Coast is/are oil companies who are heavily subsidized by taxpayers and always have been and were probably given the land by the families who originally stole it. Where's the free market in there? Not even close.
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COMMENT 306292
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2012-08-09 10:51 AM |
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I love open space but realize how hypocritical it is for me to enjoy my single family residence in SB on a previously pristine floodplain of Mission Creek. Maybe at the end of all this fighting we will get a development that puts some housing there but preserves some open space and beach access. That is probably the best we can hope for. I wonder if that parcel already has historical water rights that would give them the water they need? Maybe the rich people living there can build their own desal plant or something?
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COMMENT 306179
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2012-08-09 11:20 AM |
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233: Sounds to me like we (humans) were wrong from the start then. According to you, we don't have any skills other than the ability to buy tools made by others. We sure sound worthless in a world of animals who still do it au natural. All the while, defending themselves against our endeavor to destroy them I might add. I know I know, you worked hard for the right to call those guns yours, and god gave you that right. I've heard it a hundred times before. If you really want some self satisfaction, try catching your own food by your own hand. Try to identify edible plants without looking it up on your iphone. Its easy for people to shrug off human error, because they don't want to live in the dirt. You can only ask for so much for so long and some generation down the road will get the bill though, so who cares right now?
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COMMENT 306233
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2012-08-09 11:36 AM |
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@272, that's spilt milk and life ain't fair. Let it go and accept today's reality, brother. Today's ownership of the parcel(s) is a fact.
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COMMENT 306351
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2012-08-09 12:24 PM |
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I am of a divided opinion re: this property. While I am in favor of keeping our remaining open space coastal land undeveloped, I can't help but believe that the property owners have the right to develop land based on their "long ago" permission to do so. Allowing them to develop their land, within existing guidelines, does not mean that it will open the floodgates to developing the whole coast.
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COMMENT 306375
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2012-08-09 01:06 PM |
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I wonder how 306103 would feel if aliens bought the Earth and then did with it how they please. Yosemite was saved from loggers by Teddy Roosevelt. If preventing the entire planet from being put into private hands for private profit is socialism, the 306103 has made an excellent argument for socialism. Adam Smith, author of "Wealth of Nations", was a moral philosopher who despised the merchant class, but he thought that the free market would result in an "invisible hand" guiding greedy profiteers to actions that would benefit society. He was tragically wrong, but the sociopaths of today treat free market ideology as a religion; unlike Smith, they don't care whether the outcome is beneficial.
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COMMENT 306233
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2012-08-09 02:00 PM |
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@375, it's hard to take the talk of aliens seriously, but why not. If they own earth then we're screwed. Yes, you could petion them to save the earth (and you) but you'd be well served to accept your fate and make the best of things (as most of us will do if Naples gets developed). Free markets, from Adam Smith or otherwise, ask that the rules be fixed and consistently applied. The markets can do the rest. Yes, the rules get changed again and again but there are two sides to the story, and like aliens, the more powerful guy usually wins. We just hope he's relatively benign (like the aliens).
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COMMENT 306575P
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2012-08-09 07:03 PM |
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Gilbert isn't Naples actually a historical township recognized by the courts and therefore not ag land?
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COMMENT 307237P
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2012-08-11 12:25 PM |
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i don't care who owns the land i'll still walk down the bluff to surf. if they build the development i hope they're ready to deal with the consequences... copious amounts of disgruntled trespassers will be the least of their worries.
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