COMMENT 303705
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2012-08-01 01:04 PM |
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Whether it is the Chumash developing 1400 pastoral acres
in Santa Ynez, a Hotelier building on the Carpinteria Bluff
or a housing development on the pristine Gaviota Coast,
it is all sad. Greed trumps Mother Nature and it is gone forever.
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COMMENT 303714P
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2012-08-01 01:28 PM |
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705, me thinks you underestimate the power of mother nature. She always has the last word, just ask the citizens of Pompeii. Oh wait they no longer exist.
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COMMENT 303718
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2012-08-01 01:46 PM |
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714: So your saying that we shouldn't care what we do? Things just go back to normal after we throw a wrench in the mix? Even IF that were true, its no excuse to squander what we have just for the sake of the ability to do so.
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COMMENT 303720
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2012-08-01 01:57 PM |
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I am interested to know what neighborhood 705 lives in. Was that land any less beautiful before it was developed, or has time made it ok to live there? So building a home in Gaviota is bad, but living there in 50 years is acceptable? someone please answer that. Thanks.
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COMMENT 303725
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2012-08-01 02:08 PM |
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You're right 720. Let's build out every square inch of land and leave nothing open. Great idea!
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COMMENT 303728
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2012-08-01 02:17 PM |
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I really hope that this land is preserved and that if they start to build on the land, that people either burn it down or destruct it! Shame on worthless people for trying to get this to pass.
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COMMENT 303729
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2012-08-01 02:23 PM |
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So who's to decide who builds where then? Because a bunch of people think a certain place is too 'pristine' to build on, the owner of said place is stuck with it and can never do anything with it? That's not right. People buy land to make money, it's an investment. I don't think people should be forced to loose what they've already put in to something because a bunch of people think a parcel is too pretty to build on. That's ridiculous. If a community/coalition or whatever as a whole, wants to put a stop to a parcel being developed and conserve it they should put their money where their mouth is and buy it for fair market value, not force the current owner to eat it financially.
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COMMENT 303714P
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2012-08-01 02:24 PM |
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718, no I am not saying that at all. I was just addressing 705's "it is gone forever" comment. In the grand scheme nothing is forever but I do think the fight to save the Gaviota coast from development should continue, maybe even harder, so we can continue to enjoy it undeveloped for our short lives at least. Then it is up to our inheritors.
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ROGER DODGER
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2012-08-01 02:33 PM |
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Too Bad...
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COMMENT 303736
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2012-08-01 02:37 PM |
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I think everyone at some point dreams of having a mansion that is just footsteps away from the beach....it's what makes me work hard. And dont we have a bunch of PUBLIC BEACHES for those who dont achieve their dreams?
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COMMENT 303718
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2012-08-01 02:37 PM |
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720: From the viewpoint of 500 years go, I'd say our current situation is disgusting. We have overpopulated and done more harm than good by far. I love Yosemite, but the idea of it is completely screwed up. A beautiful geographic island surrounded by development. Preserve one small area so we can just destroy the rest? Right, great idea. Little by little, who do you think would eventually have all the land? The developers. We as a society are so screwed up with regards to what our intended purpose was for Earth, that attempting to preserve anything is about all anyone can do anymore. The sense of human entitlement is just getting old.
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COMMENT 303738
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2012-08-01 02:41 PM |
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Hopefully a local philanthropist will buy the land and save the pristine environment.
Been hiking and surfing out there for 30 years.
Please help keep LA 100 miles away!
This is one of the last large open space parcels on the coast, let`s save it from urban sprawl.
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COMMENT 303736
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2012-08-01 03:25 PM |
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738-Been hiking and surfing out there for 30 years You need to stop your activity too...thats only fair right?
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COMMENT 303757
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2012-08-01 03:51 PM |
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A dozen philanthropists could buy modest homes there, built to environmental standards, and host a preservation theme by paying homeowners association fees to preserve open space, an interpretive center, and ranger salaries for care of the area. It could actually be a net benefit to wildlife. One man's barn can be another birds nest.
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COMMENT 303759
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2012-08-01 03:54 PM |
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303736- Surfing occurs in the Ocean, which is not privately owned.
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COMMENT 303762
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2012-08-01 03:57 PM |
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I'm not convinced that "save the environment" attitude trumps all other considerations. Once some public agency has control the value is removed from the tax roles. The environmentalists love to mark the property to limit access to those with special credentials. Any development approval can specify public access for major parts of the property.
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COMMENT 303768P
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2012-08-01 04:09 PM |
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(raising my hand) "Hypocrite right here." Ummm...Yes. Some of the remaining open areas do need to remain pristine -- Gaviota Coast, More Mesa, Bishop Ranch (which should be a productive urban farm), etc. I've done my part by not contributing to overpopulation. I can't afford to buy any of it, but I'll fight long and hard from keeping anyone from developing all the remaining open spaces, starting with these 3 areas. It adds to my quality of life to have large open spaces remaining all around me. It detracts from my quality of life to have more houses or businesses, big or small, filling every space. Downsize our population to reduce the need for every more housing.
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COMMENT 303769
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2012-08-01 04:14 PM |
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Perhaps if Santa Barbarans had been more neighborly to the Santa Ynez band of Chumash, we would be more inclined to purchase this area & place it in a "preserved" status.
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COMMENT 303720
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2012-08-01 04:38 PM |
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I would still like to know what neighborhood 705 and 725 live in. I am not at all for building up gaviota, it just seems like it is acceptable to live somewhere "X" years after it is built, but not to build it in the first place. One more question...Where would an environmentalist rather live?...In the city surrounded by other homes(complete antithesis of nature, but without the impact of building a home in an undeveloped area), or in the countryside with a single home with no neighbors(surrounded by the nature they love, but ruined a pristine area by building their home)?
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COMMENT 303762
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2012-08-01 04:38 PM |
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Why do these places "need" to remain pristine? Right now they are pristine only in your dreams. We would like to have access to these properties. Right now Property owners near More Mesa limit parking to a half mile distant to try to keep it private. There is not easy access to the Gaviota coast. Bishop Ranch is useless to everyone. Look at these problems with an eye of reality.
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COMMENT 303792
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2012-08-01 05:17 PM |
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729 says 'people buy land to make money'. It's an investment. All investments have risk. Any developer who did due diligence before purchasing this property should have known the risks involved. The people of SB County will fight to preserve the Gaviota Coast. And God love them for doing just that. That was the chance this developer took. If they can buy off some supe and maybe buy off at least 3 supes, maybe their risk will prove very profitable. If not, they can continue to rent the land for ag and have really big write offs.
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COMMENT 303794P
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2012-08-01 05:24 PM |
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762: It's easy to walk from the More Mesa parking area to the coast; and there are access points to the Gaviota Coast from the three State Parks and probably other public access points. And as for the open space of Bishop Ranch being "useless," that's way off base. Useless perhaps to you, but not for air quality, not for the psychic pleasure those of us going appreciate, not for the wildlife, the nesting birds.
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COMMENT 303800P
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2012-08-01 05:56 PM |
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Let the developers rebuild all the vacant homes for sale in our area. There are hundreds for sale.. Why build more and more when so many are empty. I don't want to end up like L. A. Let the developers buy what's already here and rebuild the leased building that stand empty for years and years and all the homes Just to make money they want to take away the beautiful Gaviota coast and ruin the earth.
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COMMENT 303832P
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2012-08-01 07:19 PM |
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I really like 708's comment about burning down or destroying anything built there, I liked it so much I shared it with the DHS anonymous tip website. They are really down on the whole ECO-Terrorist thing these days. Hope you didn't post that comment from your own computer if you did have a fun future getting probed every time you try to fly 708 if they even allow you on board, and everytime some nut job does those acts you advocate locally guess who will probably be questioned. Good luck getting off the list the "Royal Treatment" should kick in for you in 3 months or so.
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SBJULES
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2012-08-01 07:35 PM |
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71 mansions? Good grief!
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MESARATS
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2012-08-02 12:05 AM |
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It's the rezoning that gets me. You by Ag property, complain you can't make any money, but if you have enough money you can get the zoning changed. Try that being a small time peon.
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COMMENT 303911
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2012-08-02 07:56 AM |
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Good we need the work.
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COMMENT 303924
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2012-08-02 08:27 AM |
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832: "Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep"
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COMMENT 304005
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2012-08-02 10:33 AM |
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How could fit that many mansions there? Must be McMansions. Not feeling very sorry for you spoiled SB persons. I was forced to move away many years ago because I couldn't afford a living there. Build away I say! SB is already ruined by overpopulation.
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COMMENT 303768P
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2012-08-02 12:55 PM |
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In addition to having serious world-wide overpopulation problems, we have serious country-wide misunderstanding problems. You do not own land for your profit. You are the temporary steward of the land during your lifetime or your ownership. You should be responsible for what happens to the land and all things you impact for the next 7 generations. There is too much short-term thinking and rewarding throughout our culture.
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COMMENT 304234
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2012-08-02 07:12 PM |
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Folks concerned about our area ending up like LA ought to be more concerned with the "in-fill" projects than this one. Build it! I'll bet it will be beautiful.
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