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COMMENT 298322P	2012-07-17 08:37 AM
The homeless don't come to Santa Barbara to get a job and heal their lives. There are few jobs available here and plenty of students and illegal immigrants willing to work for poverty wages. THE HOMELESS COME TO SANTA BARBARA TO GIVE UP. And Santa Barbara, like an unfit parent, continues to enable those who refuse to work. This is all about choices. Santa Barbara has gives plenty of money to to CE and other homeless programs, and subsidizes 17% of the residential property in town - but never has enough to educate our children or keep a full staffing of police and firefighters. That has been our choice because of the leaders that we've elected.
COMMENT 298324	2012-07-17 08:41 AM
Isn't this kind of like the toilet complaining about the smelly turd, when it was the butt's fault all along?
COMMENT 298325	2012-07-17 08:44 AM
What do Santa Barbara and it's residents gain from having Casa Esperanza in our beautiful town?
COMMENT 298328P	2012-07-17 08:46 AM
Why doesn't Casa Esperanza require people to be sober? Inviting drugs and alcohol into the neighborhood with the promise of free services is not very smart. And now Foley says that in order for Casa to provide the community patrols the city needs to pay for it? Is this person confused. You do not make an agreement and then say the other party has to pay for the things I agreed to do. They have tried their way I think it is time Casa patrol and make certain their "clientele" do not loiter and negatively effect the surrounding neighborhood or close down. They should definitely require sobriety in exchange for services. Quit enabling and ensuring you have repeat business and actually start helping the homeless.
COMMENT 298340	2012-07-17 08:59 AM
298325 - The answer to the question is 200 fewer people sleeping in the doorways of businesses.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 09:02 AM
Casa Esperanza is the alien pod in this neighborhood and needs to close down or severely curtail is mission and its rich people's playground pretense of "helping the poor".
COMMENT 298347	2012-07-17 09:10 AM
I have worked near the "Casa" since before it was a transient enabling center (Fiesta Furniture). You don't have to be a sociologist to see the social DISASTER that has resulted from the feeding/hangout center on Cacique St. The problem is a giant spider web that has trapped us all. The stores all profit as does Pacific Beverage Co, who sell the cheap beer, vodka and cigarettes. The County Social network (Counselors,Drug/Alcohol Program directors, Non-Profit Administrators, Housing Authority Employees) ALL profit and NEED the homeless-transients-urban campers to be here or they loose their place in the Santa Barbara food chain. THAT is the problem- They encourage these "clients" to come here from across the United States. Even our Mayor supports the homeless by providing "chronic homeless housing" and writing checks with OUR tax dollars to support the Casa et al....
COMMENT 298348	2012-07-17 09:10 AM
By making it so easy for homeless people to come here and not work, our leaders, our donors and places like Casa are ruining the city for those of us that work and work just to live paycheck to paycheck. This town could prosper if the money was put towards things tha hardworking and tax paying locals really need, like better schools for our kids, cleaner and safer parks and beaches, etc. SB is a cesspool and transient haven, it's so danged sad that these out of towners mean more to the city leaders than the rest of us.
COMMENT 298351	2012-07-17 09:15 AM
The police need to cite people who steal shopping carts for theft as they cost the stores lots of money. Some cities actually enforce the law on this issue. I'm also for shutting down this enabling institution. It's ruining SB by attracting transients from all over the country. Many longtime residents don't feel safe downtown.
COMMENT 298359P	2012-07-17 09:28 AM
Most AMAZING about this story is Foley's claim of fiscal challenges?! Are you KIDDING ME? Check Casa's tax returns to see what enormous salary he makes. And ask the County and City to itemize how many MILLIONS of dollars pass through that place. He really crossed the line with that comment. Facts are Facts.
COMMENT 298366P	2012-07-17 09:45 AM
Bus tokens to take the bus to where? Montecito, Carpinteria? (the Carpinteria line stops near the Casa.) Downtown, to the library? What about a bus to the Natural History Museum? Ooops, that's board member Sue Adams's neighborhood. Seems to me that services, ie. work, to be required for meals and housing provided. The general S. Milpas area is littered. The TJ's parking lot, back of the Tobacco store stinks of urine.
COMMENT 298370	2012-07-17 09:52 AM
Simply cease providing hand-outs, and guess what'll happen. Provide services for those who truly want to get back on their feet. Remove the teat for the others to suck on, and eventually they'll go elsewhere.
COMMENT 298378	2012-07-17 09:57 AM
I've never been so happy to leave a neighborhood as I was when I moved from Milpas St to Goleta last month. After 12 years of transients stealing from our garage, urinating and defecating in our driveway and having to walk through a gauntlet of leering drunks every time we wished to enter our property, we had enough. Good luck to the MCA, although until the Casa is closed, I fear you are fighting a losing battle.
DILLYDALLY	2012-07-17 10:12 AM
Getting rid of services for homeless will increase the amount of homeless sleeping on the streets, in your businesses, begging on corners, and committing crimes. Just like closing jails would cause more criminals to be on the street. If you havent noticed SB has survivable weather year round, is a low crime area (violence against homeless is a rapidly growing crime), and has lots of wealth and excess (for scrounging and begging). Those draws dont go away when you close shelters and get rid of services. The problems with homeless does seem to be getting worse lately. Doesn't much of the blame go to the economy? In the last 3-5 years there are a lot more homeless people and a lot less services. Clearly doing less is not working. So lets talk about what we can do differently but also get real and understand that doing nothing is not the answer.
COMMENT 298403	2012-07-17 10:43 AM
"Volunteers to clean up the trash"--how about making the bums clean up their own trash? And we think they are the crazy ones!
COMMENT 298406P	2012-07-17 10:56 AM
There is much wisdom in these comments. I wish the politicians who support these services with our tax dollars, and the do gooders who think providing without requiring anything in return would read them and take them to heart. Enabling those who chose not to be responsible is neither kind nor responsible.
COMMENT 298424	2012-07-17 11:11 AM
Most of these commenters seem to think the problems will go away if Casa Esperanza is closed. That will not happen. These people are at the bottom rung of the ladder and have nowhere else to go except maybe jail. And it is cheaper to fund Casa Esperanza at $1 million/yr than to provide jail slots for 200 homeless at $50K/yr. If I do the math, that is closer to $10 million/yr. Maybe we should get together and give those businesses like Ramirez some money to find a new place and move. That way he wouldn't have to suffer the brunt of the burden that the homeless place on the area. How about raising taxes on the liquor stores to pay for it?
COMMENT 298433	2012-07-17 11:22 AM
I was not aware of CE's Jail Release program discussed in the op-ed piece by Jed Hendrickson in Sunday's SBNP. Casa really needs to re-evaluate their programs and pare down. I also don't get the 'no sobriety required' thing. Don't we have a sobering center for those found drunk (and cooperative like, say, an iron chef) in public?
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 11:34 AM
The narcissist do-gooders in Homeless Inc who publicize their misguided efforts on national TV have exacerbated this influx of vagrants to our city. Anyone getting tax dollars to maintain these dubious enabling agencies needs to sign a gag order and stop adding to the mess that now drops in on our shores. Including those sent here because of SB Homeless Inc's shameless self-promotion.
DILLYDALLY	2012-07-17 01:31 PM
@424 nice to see some logical thinking, I was feeling all alone out here. I get being desperate and there is a problem, but people seem to want to cut off their nose to spite their face.
COMMENT 298505	2012-07-17 01:42 PM
Thanks, 424, for chiming in from Homeless, Inc! That's the idea - move the businesses out that have been there since LONG before Casa Esperanza, shutter and board over the empty buildings that will be left in the neighborhood, and hand it all over to the homeless! Lay people off! Get rid of businesses - they complain too much. Who needs jobs? Great thinking!
COMMENT 298511	2012-07-17 01:55 PM
The question is not being framed properly. Casa has been placed in the wrong neighborhood and thus is providing reverse incentives for poor behavior due to the proximity of alcohol and begging opportunities. If casa was placed in an abandoned hangar on city property near the airport, there would be fewer opportunities for this behavior.
COMMENT 298340	2012-07-17 02:11 PM
298511 - Abandoned hangar...ridiculous. You might as well just suggest that we ship em all out to Anacapa Island with some tents. You are all trying to cure a cold by shoving tissues up your nose. There is no cure for the cold. You can properly treat the symptoms, but the best plan of attack is to prevent the cold to begin with.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 02:12 PM
Dilly's comments no longer carry any weight in this discussion because they are meaningless. This city can move past the tired old guilt-mongers who dragged this discussion down into ineffectiveness in the past. Good points, Hotchkiss. You are moving in the right direction. Keep it up. Get rid of the drunks and the addicts and the "homeless" by choice crowd. We are behind you 100%. The others will fit into the public safety net already out there. The new message will get out - don't come to Santa Barbara any longer if you think you can sponge off the system. It's gone.
COMMENT 298505	2012-07-17 02:19 PM
What does the city gain from having Casa Esperanza? The do-gooder set can congratulate themselves that people can come here, homeless, from anywhere in the US, and get help because Santa Barbara is just that special. If Casa were not here, we would have hundreds fewer transients roaming our streets that ARE NOT FROM HERE. Casa advertises for 'clients' and brings them in from other jurisdictions. Now they're importing them from the jail. They have to keep growing the business, remember?
COMMENT 298535	2012-07-17 02:42 PM
DILLYDALLY: Blaming a nebulous outside force encourages these people to continue not taking personal responsibility. Why not try an experiment? How about if the city pares down their services? If the number of problem people sleeping on doorsteps, etc. increases, return to status quo. If not, continue until the situation becomes manageable and acceptable to business and residents. There aren't as many over the top wealthy people here as you think there are by the way. And you have no idea what each individual contributes to society in the way of social assistance. Unless you have taken in so many transients that your house is full your preaching carries zero weight.
DILLYDALLY	2012-07-17 02:48 PM
@342, what pont is incorrect? How dont they carry weight? Or is it just because you disagree? In other words they dont carry weight with you. I took time to make points that are relavant and based in fact. Your post had no rebuttal and had no constructive suggestions, that would be the definition of meaningless. How do you propose we get rid of the addicts and criminals? How do we efficiently deprive them of services while the "others" are caught in the safety net. It is easy to say but very hard to do. CE is a safety net, so is subsidized housing, so are the soup kitchens and the parking lots for safe overnight parking. The most undesirable of the people being discussed dont qualify or take advantage of most services. They are too high, too sick, too unstable, and too violent to get along in large groups. In case you missed it, and I suspect you did, I am not advocating for the status quo, none of my comments can be remotely construed that way. I think we have a problem. However I dont think the answer is as simple as a lot of frustrated people wish it was. Here are some ideas I think are worth discussing; -More officers on the ground at all hours to crack down on criminal behavior. Specifically on foot downtown, in parks and on milpas and in cars in the surrounding neighborhoods. That will be expensive and I am willing to pay a tax increase for results. -Crack down on the hiring of illegal alliens so that homeless have more jobs available to them and as a result fewer will be homeless and desperate. -Invest in new city and county parks. There are several large unused areas that are unsupervised havens for the homeless(like the area by El Camino school on Old San Marcos).
DILLYDALLY	2012-07-17 02:54 PM
@535 services for homeless have been steadily decreasing for the last 4 years and the problem has gotten worse in response. There is a lot of wealth and opulence compared to other places, I dont think that is debatable but go ahead and try. That excess leads to more "scraps" for those that need them. I am certainly not advocating for taking them into our homes, not sure where that came from. Not me.
COMMENT 298535	2012-07-17 03:37 PM
DillyDally: You are vigorously defending your arguments. Have you a dog in the fight? Are you employed by a local social service or are you a transient trying to foster support through manipulation and guilt? I'm trying to understand your points. Are you angry that compassion cannot be forceibly extracted from people? I think eveyone, including monied people have the right to give or not give their largess to whomever they please. No one can know an individual's burdens and capacity to give no matter where they live. Some say a person has to walk his talk to gain respect. So what are you doing, personally, to mitigate the problem? Evidence of that will help the scale to tip in your favor. Otherwise, it's just rhetoric.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 03:38 PM
Dilly, your status quo is asking for more money to be poured into Homeless Inc which clearly is not working, and never did. Move along.
COMMENT 298568	2012-07-17 03:48 PM
I read these Edhat boards and people complain (with good reason) about the homeless problem all the time. But when the time comes to vote, pro-homeless candidates like Cathy "Bus Tokens" Murrillo get elected instead of people who actually want to do something about the problem like Sharon Byrne or Michael Self. So, are those of us who want to see something done about homeless problem in the minority or are people like us just not voting? If it's the former, then I suppose there's not much you can do about that. But if it's because we're not voting, then we have nobody to blame but ourselves. I, for one, can't wait to vote Mayor Schneider out of office in 2013.
COMMENT 298328P	2012-07-17 04:06 PM
I have not seen homeless assistance decreasing in the last few years. How many more assisted living developments have popped up in that time? How many more shelters do we have now compared to years ago? Dilly Dally can you please explain to me why it would be so terrible to have work done in exchange for services provided? Would it not make an individual feel better knowing they worked for the things they get and deter those who would abuse the services by taking so they do not have to work? Cracking down on illegal aliens will help in more than just the homeless getting jobs, it will stop the depression of wages in many fields. This in no way excuses a person from having to work for a living. Either they get a job or while they are looking they can do work in exchange for services. It is not okay for an individual to spend their day drunk or high and then expect those of us who work to pay for their food and medical expenses.
COMMENT 298347	2012-07-17 04:18 PM
@ Dilly...you state that homeless sevices have been cut the last four yrs...? Please tell us taxpayers HOW? The City continually gives MILLION$ of our local taxpayer funds to the homeless industry. Wave to the "chronic homeless" who are now in nice new condos at Carrillo and Castillo. There is another condo complex for vagrants who waited in line going up on Cota St. We are a city of 90,000. How much are we supposed to give? We throw more money at the homeless per capita than ANY OTHER City of 90,000 or for that matter 190,000. When are the handouts going to stop? When is enough? How many people does SB County and City have to employ to mangage this transient population at the cost of the true locals who pay taxes?
COMMENT 298601	2012-07-17 04:34 PM
interesting thread - kind of smelly in the neighborhoods these places land in - I feel bad for merchants down there - seems the habit has a great clean up crew - gas stations smell very ripe - parking lots are trashed and smell of Pee - I don't know what the answer is - but this BS of free food is not working for any of us - If you build it they will COME - nuf said
COMMENT 298325	2012-07-17 04:37 PM
So i pay $8k in property tax...i have to pay for the bus. I drink all day and pop methadone pills... you want to give me free bus tokens? That is just ridiculous.
COMMENT 298505	2012-07-17 04:40 PM
Folks. DillyDally clearly works for Casa Esperanza (C.E.), or another service provider, or is a homeless advocate. They're the only ones that would try to make a case that things are getting worse because their budgets have been cut over the past 4 years.
COMMENT 298626	2012-07-17 05:20 PM
Some serious nastiness in this thread. Probably indicative of why we can't come together as a community to actually solve the problem. No different than the partisanship and vitriol infecting politics at every level, though. Shouldn't be so surprising to me.
COMMENT 298601	2012-07-17 05:45 PM
It's very easy to speak of this thread when U don't pay property tax's and don't own a business .. When you get to that point - Thread away -SY
COMMENT 298535	2012-07-17 06:02 PM
@SY, The community has come together. These posts speak quite loud and clear. That their conclusions do not match yours does not indicate indecision. The well-worn idea that this problem is all about hate and partisanship politics is becoming downright tiresome. It bugs the crap out of business owners when someone urinates and defecates in their parking lot. Tell me how that is about hate and partisanship and politics? There is serious frustration out there and people are growing tired of being scolded and called nasty, uncompassionate, or whatever buzzword is currently used to elicit guilt. Getting a finger wagged in my face by someone who calls me names does not make me feel like opening my wallet. It has the opposite effect. Now I just want to dig in my heels more. Tired of it.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 06:46 PM
These do-gooders treat errant "homeless" like hapless pets. Creepy.
COMMENT 298505	2012-07-17 06:55 PM
I agree, 640. We've been long asked to be tolerant and wait for that next program, that next housing project, that next (insert fix here). Over a decade we've waited, being tolerant. Nothing fixes the problem when people wreak havoc in our area. Not even the police. The call for tolerance is long past the sell-by date. The time is now for the city to enforce the conditions it imposed on the shelter to prevent the problems in our area. The community has come together on this.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-17 07:44 PM
Dilly and Sy have no answers. Just scolding. Ignore them. We have work to do getting this turned around. Keep moving because this community is finally heading the right direction. Subdividing the various groups is step one. The frail and the mentally disabled obviously will have different solutions and no one ever shirked societal responsibility for those. But the grifters by choice and addiction have played their last hand in Santa Barbara. Ditch the term "homeless" first. Then identify the problem for what it is: vagrants by choice who abuse clear community guidelines. Zero tolerance is the new message.
COMMENT 298700P	2012-07-17 09:07 PM
Grifters, buskers, vagrants...y'all have had your last meal in Santa Bruta. Get on the bus to Reno, you flakes!
SHAKEY	2012-07-17 11:08 PM
324 had it right, Casa ( the toilet ) turds ( the homeless ) the butt ( Mike F. ) A wile back when they were going to put the shelter in no matter what anyone said, a few police and city big wig's came around to stores telling us that the casa is there not only to feed and help the homeless but to all so keep an eye on them, as soon as they sign in that the shelter was responsibly for them and ANYTHING THEY DO !!!!! What happened to that ? There has always been homeless in that area, but when the city opened the shelter and invited them here from LA , well that was too much !!! A police officer ( one of the head guys at the time ) told me that the 911 calls for our little area ( about 5 or 6 blocks in all directions from the shelter ) whent from 125 a year to almost 700 a year , that was about there second year, and after hearing Rogers scanner I would say it's a lot higher now !!! Witch brings me back to , why isn't the BUTT taking responsibility for his turds actions ? ( at least the turds that made a mark on the sign in sheets ) I'm wondering if the ones that killed Ross S. and even Gloria were signed in ???
COMMENT 298721	2012-07-18 06:40 AM
Close it.
COMMENT 298743	2012-07-18 07:32 AM
How does Irvine manage to NOT have any homeless? You don't ever see anyone on the streets down there.
FLICKA	2012-07-18 07:40 AM
There are many vetrans among the homeless who suffer Post Tramantic Stress from war, they are self medicating with drugs and alcohol because our government won't give our veterans the help they need. However, Bush's illegal war cost a billion a month, making more ignored veterans. The Casa should only feed sober homeless, ones who really want help.
COMMENT 298347	2012-07-18 08:37 AM
@FLICKA- you are so out of touch using the Veteran ticket.... I work down there (Lower Milpas) and they (transients) are NOT Vets with PTSD... It is laughable that you are using that and "Bush" LOL! Come down to the Casa and talk to these individuals (if you can take the direct hit of heavy second hand smoke), you will get the real story- You can also go to the Rescue Mission on Yananoli and get the same info... BTW, Obama has us still overseas at war.
COMMENT 298601	2012-07-18 08:59 AM
777 - great follow up on a typical lock step response that has nothing to do with the thread - Then Blame Bush - They still think he is in office 4 some reason.
DILLYDALLY	2012-07-18 09:16 AM
Wow, hahahaha. So many responses and not a single person criticized a single point I made except declining services. I dont think most people actually read what I wrote. The city has cut budgets for many services, not just for the homeless, but I can only currently find the 2013 budget online. I do not work for homeless inc. I work in the private sector in software and I own a business on the side also completely unrelated. I certainly have no "dog in the game" except I live in and enjoy Santa Barbara. I pay property tax and income tax and I am also fed up with the homeless situation. Because most of you clearly read none of my actual posts and only reacted to the first few uneducated responses you assume I am supporting things I do not. I am only voicing an opinion that a draconian approach that cuts all services to homeless people is a knee-jerk reaction and I think it will make the problem worse. I stated why that would make the problem worse and some ideas for other things to do. Fine if you disagree, I have not seen any convincing arguments, or any arguments at all other than "just because". A few of you called me names and argued with me by making the same points I made, not really sure what to make of that because it seems like we agree. Before one more person posts in response read my thoughts on this matter and then see if we actually disagree all that much.
COMMENT 298808	2012-07-18 09:22 AM
Require licenses for the domestically challenged, the urban campers, etc. and require a sponsor, no more than two 'disadvantaged' per sponsor. The license entitles holders to certain amenities. No license, no free meals, medical care, etc.   This will create a chain of responsibility; someone to hold accountable for the actions of the "disadvantaged", someone to accept the fiscal and moral responsibility. Those full of compassion can have direct access instead of wondering where their donations are really going. Cathy Murillo should bring a little leadership to the table and provide solutions instead of empty rhetoric. Start an Adopt the Downtrodden program. Give tax credits like the hotels just got. Trade the unlicensed at 5:1 for some hard working guatemalans who are here to try and better there lives by working 50 hours a week and living in conditions most of us would be uncomfortable in.   S'Auntie Barbara
COMMENT 298809	2012-07-18 09:22 AM
Those who believe that the homeless come to Santa Barbara because of all the services that are available to them give the homeless more credit than they deserve. No one is spreading the word all over the country that Santa Barbara is the place to go to. If you think being homeless in Santa Barbara is so wonderful, you're simply full of it!
COMMENT 298810	2012-07-18 09:23 AM
Does anyone else find it ironic that we want transients to work for food ... when Obama just eliminated Bill Clinton's work for welfare provision ??
COMMENT 298700P	2012-07-18 10:19 AM
The truth is somewhere between spreading the word all over the country and having Homeless Inc websites in Santa Barbara talking about "Homeless Guests" without any mention of residency or responsibility to community, for example . If you don't think the homeless are internet-savvy, you haven't been to the library lately.
RHS	2012-07-18 10:44 AM
Maybe I missed it in this barrage but the biggest problem is that the rest of the south coast has not accepted any role in dealing with the homeless which is a county-wide, state-wide, nation-wide issue. To place the whole of the housing/shelter burden on the City of Santa Barbara and let Goleta, Isla Vista, Carpingteria and the remaining unincorporated areas avoid accepting a share of the problem they contribute to has distorted the impact of Casa Esperanza and Mission. The City could also force the Airport Commission to allow a shelter area for RVs in the long term airport parking lots but that has been denied by the Airport Commission as an independent jurisdictional agency. We need to accept that homelessness is generated by every community and every community should participate in integrating this population into the social fabric.
COMMENT 298505	2012-07-18 12:07 PM
Rescue Mission is pretty tough, from what I hear. They insist on sobriety and responsibility. And yes, homeless websites do promote this area, and tell incoming homeless all the goodies on offer. homeless in sb is one, and go look at cityroof. Top shelters and top meals for homeless in the central coast! Not to mention the graphic looks like every yoach on State St you've ever seen. Oh yeah, they network, use the library's wife and recharge their devices behind the library on city power outlets.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-18 01:30 PM
They put the shelter where it was because it was supposed to draw this element away from State Street businesses. This was an intentional choice. Well how's that working for y'all now? Now we have two blighted areas: downtown and the Casa Milpas Street area. Because they same addled headed do-gooders forgot to close the door. Instead they went out and actively bragged how enlightened they were and people like Sara Miller McCune even paid them to publicize this city's generosity to any grifter or vagrant who also wanted to land on our door step. Irresponsible..
COMMENT 299095	2012-07-18 05:21 PM
If you stop providing services to the drugged up-drunken homeless they will eventually find another town to prey upon. We have Sue Adams to thank for her work in establishing Casa Esperanza as a haven for the drug addicted/criminal/alcoholic losers who travel many miles to crap on our sidewalks.
COMMENT 298601	2012-07-19 10:27 AM
810 - stop the maddness - we have to blame Regan & GW - it's their fault - please review - cbs- nbc-abc news footage - go to M Moores's movies for the love of god find the sudo truth -
COMMENT 299436	2012-07-19 01:30 PM
There are a lot of comments here, and forgive me for not given credit to the one that hit "one" of nails on the head. Alcoholism!!! As an alcoholic, and formerly homeless in SB (96-03;04-08;)and most recently, November,2012, to March,2012.. In all the years on the streets in SB I never stayed a night at "CASA". One of the reasons was the "staff"(some) who would allow, enable,and participate in substance abuse. I heard an administrator at "CASA" this past January say,"if you can walk, and talk, your in!" Yet, we must, I repeat, MUST!!! not let those that truly benefit from "CASA" be put in the same boat as those that have made their life's working those hearts that truly bleed for the few "CASA" was meant to help. Their there, hiding from us who would mistake them for the many who take advantage of hope.
COMMENT 298342	2012-07-19 08:25 PM
The moral relativists, mostly Unitarians, on the past city council that foisted Casa upon us felt it was not right to force homeless into a religious-based shelter setting. Rescue Mission and Salvation Army, religiously based as they are, are good at what they do. It is time to give the job back to them instead of this endless proliferation of taxpayer funded secular Homeless Inc yeehaws, who have yet to show one iota of the success that the good old time religion is showing at the Rescue Mission and Salvation Army. Amen. WWJD.
COMMENT 300499	2012-07-23 01:17 PM
Seems like people are pointingout the obvious here - CE is a business, they need customers - and they really don't care if the customer is wasted or what the customer does after they stumble away from CE. CE is just an enabler. Come to SB! Get wasted and sleep at the Casa! Rescue Mission and Salvation Army - those are the organizations that should be funded.

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