COMMENT 292885
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2012-06-30 10:37 AM |
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Excellent police work. Now bill the parents and attach their property with liens.
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COMMENT 292886
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2012-06-30 10:39 AM |
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LOVE IT! Hats off to those cops!
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COMMENT 292888
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2012-06-30 10:42 AM |
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Great work by the SBPD!! The arrest 'at school' is a good way to show these punks--you will be caught! Now if only the sentencing and reparations were tough enough to make a difference in their lives. I agree with most folks that the parents must be held responsible in part, but a good dose of 'City Service' for the perps and social stigmata would be best.
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COMMENT 292898
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2012-06-30 10:56 AM |
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I saw the damage on the way to work that morning. They really made quite a mess. I was hoping the sandwich shop or salon had cameras of something that might have caught the vandals. It is really great to hear that someone was caught. I hope they learn a lesson. Thank you SBPD for your hard work. But I have to say, I fear for my life walking around certain areas of a once affluent city.
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COMMENT 292902
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2012-06-30 11:01 AM |
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Too bad laws pertaining to juvenile crime protect the identity of the perp so they can't be publicly "outed" or fingered. No wonder they feel they can continue with their criminal activities in spite of waiting for trail.
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COMMENT 292909
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2012-06-30 11:16 AM |
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Now let's hope that their sentencing is swift, serious and well publicized as a deterent to other defacers. I may have missed it but I don't recall having read the outcomes of the other defacers who were caught during the last year or so.
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COMMENT 292917
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2012-06-30 11:36 AM |
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What ever happened to the tagger/vandal who was struck by a car about 1-2 years ago - his shoes remained in the spot where he was hit near the 101 South curve just after the Castillo/Bath St. exit? I hope he is okay and attending a fine arts school somewhere.
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COMMENT 292923
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2012-06-30 11:48 AM |
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Don't slap their hands cut them off.
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COMMENT 292930
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2012-06-30 12:21 PM |
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I wish they could be made to spend their days scrubbing, cleaning and painting neighborhood walls that they defaced. At their expense of course. It is really hard if you are an elderly person and get your wall tagged. You have a short time to clean it or get fined and often are on fixed small incomes. They should not have to sell their homes or take loans against them to fix what the taggers trashed.
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COMMENT 292932
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2012-06-30 12:26 PM |
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Off with their heads!
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COMMENT 292936P
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2012-06-30 12:38 PM |
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At least they went to Juvenile Hall. I remember a short time ago when Joe Biden was here and they caught some taggers red-handed. I couldn't believe that they released them to their parents. At the very least, they should have spent some time in Juvenile Hall.
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COMMENT 292939
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2012-06-30 12:49 PM |
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Seize their parent(s) personal property to cover the costs, and cuff off the little taggers thumbs. Problem solved.
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COMMENT 292946P
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2012-06-30 01:25 PM |
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The cops have done their job well, now I hope the DA chooses to go for the jugular and not a hand slap. Oh, and I really don't care if the jail is too crowded.
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COMMENT 292960
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2012-06-30 02:00 PM |
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Some of these comments are so out of touch with reality. These kids should do community service. Clean up, removing and painting over graffiti. To help beautify their surroundings. To blame parents is not the answer. It is a system failure! Guess what? You are a part of the system. Need solutions to help solve the problems. We all need to get involved, because it does involve us.
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COMMENT 292963
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2012-06-30 02:32 PM |
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Love the "system failure" and "you are part of the system" statement....talk about being out of touch! Solstice is over Sally.
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COMMENT 292989
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2012-06-30 05:13 PM |
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Stockades in the sunken Gardens and 'face painting' of these miscreants courtesy of Krylon.
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COMMENT 292990
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2012-06-30 05:14 PM |
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963: I believe you're the one out of touch. Most of these kids come from broken homes with just one parent. Usually the mother, who is scraping by to make ends meet. Just how do you expect to get money from them?
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COMMENT 292997
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2012-06-30 05:35 PM |
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stupid kids....shouldnt have admitted to any other crimes other than the one caught on tape but let em learn their lesson for scribbling around town..
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COMMENT 293015
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2012-06-30 06:57 PM |
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Now the teachers will come out saying they are model students and "couldn't possibly" be involved in such activity, just like the kid a few months ago that got pegged on the freeway at 6am with an aerosol paint can....
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COMMENT 293021
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2012-06-30 07:06 PM |
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Don't worry, Judge Ochoa will let them off with a harsh tongue-lashing in English.
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COMMENT 293042
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2012-06-30 08:39 PM |
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Why do you keep thinking these are just kids living with their parents. Most of these serious taggers are young adults. Glad they got caught and SBPD is getting the message this community does not tolerate this sort of attack. Ever.
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COMMENT 293051P
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2012-06-30 09:40 PM |
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Drag the parents' sorry a**** into court & hold them accountable for their children's handiwork. Geeze, Louise! I contend it's high time to start publishing names in the media, especially on TV, of all these tagger dogs who get caught. If they &/or their parents squawk, TOUGH. They do this for other people who are arrested!
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COMMENT 293053P
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2012-06-30 09:56 PM |
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Something is very wrong when two of the three have been arrested before and are still tagging. Unbelievable stupidity!
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CORKY
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2012-07-01 07:34 AM |
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Hooray! But I thought the sombrero comment was offensive. These are certainly not victimless crimes, but they aren't violent either. I vote for cleanup assignments.They could ride along with my neighbor who does it.
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COMMENT 293079
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2012-07-01 07:34 AM |
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Fabulous work! Good job. I'd love to hear who covered up Mission St offramp.
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COMMENT 293089
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2012-07-01 07:57 AM |
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have them cleaning it up? you mean teach them another skill? I wouldnt want them on my property.... this should be treated like sny act of wanton vandalism. What about trees, cast concrete, scratched storefront glass? This is huge money.... stories of indebted parents and long term financial hardship and imprisonment may help discourage the scourge. ..
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COMMENT 293097
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2012-07-01 08:12 AM |
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Let's see if our WEAK Judge's will hand down the sentence these brats and their parents deserve... I hope there is some judicial follow through to the great work the officers put into this case.
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COMMENT 293099
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2012-07-01 08:29 AM |
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Yes the parents are definitely responsible for their kids behavior. They raised them and failed to teach them respect for other people's property etc. The parents are a failure and should be in court to explain why their kid is a loser. It is great work and good PR for the officers who caught the criminals - it is to bad Sanchez cannot support his officers and their choice of uniforms. Talk about a bad idea! The police chief who turns on his own officers should worry about what they have on him and what could be reported anonymously to the Newspress.... (When is your next yard sale police chief Sanchez?)
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COMMENT 293103
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2012-07-01 08:44 AM |
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Give em a sledge hammer and a truckload of boulders. When they have a truckload of gravel they will have the ball and chain removed.
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COMMENT 293123P
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2012-07-01 10:05 AM |
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I completely agree with all the posters who say 'hold the parents responsible.' Every one of these 3 was under 18. Until parents get it that they must take responsibility for the actions of their kids, the kids will continue to tag (as is proven by the fact that 2 of these 3 are repeat offenders). It should hurt monetarily and time-wise, as both parents and their offspring should be required to do hours of mandatory clean-up, and pay for the supplies to paint it over. Tagging and graffiti isn't cool, never has been, never will be. Making that clear to these kids and their parents and their peers by making them responsible for public clean-up and showing zero tolerance is the way to fix it.
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COMMENT 293042
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2012-07-01 11:23 AM |
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Stop defending this bad behavior claiming parents are "working two jobs" or now the latest version " the single mother" defense. Job number one as a parent is to raise your kids properly and if you can't do that and live in Santa Barbara at the same time, move somewhere you can afford so you don't fail in your primary family responsibilities and then pass on your parenting failures on to the rest of us to clean up. You don't come to Santa Barbara to make a better life for your children and then abdicate all responsibility for them, while complaining it is too expensive to live here so you let your kids run wild.
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COMMENT 292960
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2012-07-01 11:24 AM |
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First, great job SBPD! 2nd point why repeat offenders? What was their punishment, if any? 3rd Even the best parenting cannot change the fact that we have a free will. 4th need to address the reason for this behavior and channel into a positive solution. 5th lots of anger in comments, citizens are fed up with graffiti. Why stop there. How about bycyclists running stops. People not picking up after their pets, skateboarders on sidewalks. The list goes on and on. These too are against the law. You can't pick and chose the laws that are only convienant for you.
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COMMENT 293156
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2012-07-01 12:08 PM |
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Slap THEM from head to foot and lock them up so their only alternative is to tear the labels off their bare skin...
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COMMENT 293042
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2012-07-01 02:22 PM |
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Too late to "channel energies" into something else. These are repeat offenders. Tried to divert their energies and they made choices to ignore that. Apparently they wanted to go to jail. 1+2=3. What other explanation is there? Graffiti is bad. You will be punished if you do it again. They do it again. Bingo, they score the Big Time. Cause and effect is the best way to re-channel misguided energies. Instead of a nanny-state based government, we went back to a personal responsibility and personal choices have consequences mentality, we could all save ourselves a lot of grief and a lot of money. Let's start doing this. Just say no any more nanny-statism. Breeds repeat criminals and nothing more.
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COMMENT 293042
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2012-07-01 07:22 PM |
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No one has come up with a better solution than when this same dilemma faced the punks in Westside Story trying to con Officer Krupke. Google those verses and tell me if anything has changed, other than the demographics of the 17-29 year old male -- fewer of them than during the Westside Story babyboomer days - those are the ages that commit the most crimes. No reason to let them ruin our lives trying to "understand them" or "redirect their energies". They will be punks for about 10 years and then settled down. Contain them during this time like the military did for so many decades, but keep them out of our hair and faces and our homes and safe havens while they finally grow up. Send them off to work camps or whatever. Jail is good too. They knew what the choices were, just like those savvy punks who could sing about it back in the 1960s'. They know what they are doing and have nothing but contempt for those that let them get away with it.
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COMMENT 293021
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2012-07-02 08:04 AM |
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Give them two options: a) 5 years in jail and their parents pay restitution, or b) 2 years in jail followed by 4 years of compulsory service in the US Army.
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COMMENT 293042
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2012-07-02 09:19 AM |
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Why should the Army have less than the best? One serves the military with pride; not enforced punishment. Please respect those in uniform. Thank you.
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COMMENT 293341
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2012-07-02 09:34 AM |
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Outstanding work by Officer Siegel and the others. The SBPD gets a lot of crap from people who know nothing about how police work is done and the challenges that officers face. These officers are true professionals and the entire SBPD deserves more respect and gratitude for their service than is often shown on these comment boards (Noozhawk, Independent, Edhat, etc.). Thank you SBPD, keep up the great work.
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COMMENT 293367
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2012-07-02 10:15 AM |
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042: I agree with you, but the idea is that the Army could really whip this kids into shape. I don't think those that say someone could use the Army really think about it that way (and they don't realize it could be taken as a slight against the Army).
I like the idea of LOTS of community service time, where they have to clean up around town. Not just graffiti clean up either - pick up trash & dog poop, beach clean ups, that sort of thing.
I work in one of the tagged buildings - THANK YOU OFFICERS!!! You made my morning knowing you caught these punks. :)
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COMMENT 293613P
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2012-07-02 10:02 PM |
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@015 What? I have heard through the grapevine today that the 15 yr old who was arrested at summer school for this was one of my ex students. I certainly am NOT going to say this kid is a model student and couldn't possibly be involved in this kind of activity. He was reprimanded by me, the admin and other teachers for tagging all over his materials and personal property. I personally spoke to his mother about this several times over the course of the year and she always defended him with the "not my baby" defense. Unbelievable in the face of physical evidence. The stupid thing about this is that this kid has/had? lots of potential. He's a smart kid who could do well in school if he would just apply himself. I felt great responsibility to try and connnect with him to help give him a different outlook. We provided a lot of support and alternatives for him. He just didn't have it in him to respond at the time. I think that if the kid is made to spend 40 hours (the average work week) of community clean up time and the parent is required to spend 20 hours alongside, it might actually have an impact on not having repeat offenders. If the parents are inconvenienced and have to be held accountable, then they will certainly be more in touch with what their kid is doing. Please don't generalize about all teachers because of others who have made comments to the contrary. I KNOW I am not alone in my opinion here.
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COMMENT 293930
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2012-07-03 06:51 PM |
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The kids and their parents do need to be held responsible. The kid who got arrested at school, I'm pretty sure thought it was "cool." If they come from a broken home, they still need to suffer the consequences. I had 2 homes and I'm a good citizen. Don't let these kids off with lame excuses. Give them help, like an outlet in an appropriate forum, but don't excuse it. Maybe if their parents don't have any collateral, keep the kid in jail, not juvy. Then make them do community service. Physical labor always is a good idea. They clearly like being outside working with their hands. Oh and I work at a high school, so I know a bit about what I'm talking about.
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COMMENT 308160
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2012-08-14 02:45 PM |
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1 1/2 months later - what was the end result of this? Were they fined? Community service?? I hope the hard work of the police did not go to waste - I certainly hope they threw the book at these kids
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