COMMENT 82115
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2010-06-12 10:08 AM |
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Time to dump "Dear Edda". She clearly does not care anymore.
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COMMENT 82141P
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2010-06-12 01:03 PM |
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This is a very legitimate concern of many people and an answer with some real content and advice would serve the readers a lot better.
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COMMENT 82142P
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2010-06-12 01:06 PM |
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Ha! I think Edda knows WE want to answer the questions! Deeandra, maybe if you tried to write a resume you could get a job to put on your resume!
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COMMENT 82145
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2010-06-12 01:12 PM |
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You expect someone to hire you on the spot in this economy? Let me know how that works out for you.
If I was your prospective employer my opinion would be that if you're too lazy to put together a resume or fill out an application, you're probably going to be too lazy to do the job.
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WILLOW
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2010-06-12 01:19 PM |
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Are contented employees good workers? Just because you think you might love the job, does that mean you're qualified? Of course employers want an application!
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COMMENT 82149
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2010-06-12 01:41 PM |
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What's the point in having a Dear Edda section if Edda can't offer any constructive advice. Hopefully we don't have any suicidal people asking Edda for advice! LOL!
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COMMENT 82151P
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2010-06-12 02:08 PM |
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Edda does care; that is why she tried to make Deeandra not feel bad about looking bad on paper. If she does not feel bad, maybe she'll write a resume. Very subtle.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-12 02:53 PM |
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I would tell this person that the resume goes along with the job application. Period. However, experience can count. If previous employers have not asked for a resume explain this to the interviewer, and explain the tasks performed in your previous jobs. If this works,call your ex employers and ask for written references. Good luck.
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COMMENT 82158
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2010-06-12 03:12 PM |
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I'm getting the feeling this questions to Edda are made up.
Anyone else feel that way?
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COMMENT 82159
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2010-06-12 03:19 PM |
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82158 - Yes. This is a section that is absolutely worthless -imo.
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COMMENT 82151P
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2010-06-12 03:21 PM |
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Of course these questions are made up. I think they are an attempt at funny. But funny are the responses.
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COMMENT 82167P
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2010-06-12 04:06 PM |
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Let's have a "who can make up the best question for Edda" contest. Send'em in to Edda. We'll see which ones she posts and answers.
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COMMENT 82183
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2010-06-12 06:25 PM |
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At first they were funny, well written and appeared to have some thought behind them. Lately the one sentence "advice" is lacking beyond measure. Dump this column.
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COMMENT 82188
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2010-06-12 07:27 PM |
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I agree with the frustration regarding Edda's lame response. I wish she would have given real advice instead of just patting her hand like a nanny. The "job hunter" is completely off base to think she is entitled to waltz into a job without filling in an application. Employers need to do background checks to be certain they are not hiring a psycho or thief. If you really want a job, it is time to do what is expected and quit whining about it. Im hopeful that your lazy nature is not the result of using my taxes to give you an employment vacation. Go get a job!
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SEEDLADY
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2010-06-12 10:50 PM |
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I'm not quite sure what the point of this feature is either; but it seems clear that many readers are uncomfortable with it. Readers just aren't sure what to do with it. It also seems to go against the otherwise 'together' vibe (forgive my sixties terms) of edhat. Not a terrific fit for edhat, IMHO.
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COMMENT 82205
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2010-06-13 07:35 AM |
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Well they ask for info as so many people lie and are not fit for the job, why should an employer take a gamble just to get burned? Why should you, not being competent take the job from someone who deserves it just because you are lazy or trying to hide your checkered past?
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BOOKLADY
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2010-06-13 07:35 AM |
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I agree with Z28RACERGIRL. I, had assumed (you know what happens when we do that), that this was meant to be a humorous column...whether the questions were real or not. It seems to me that Edda has become tired of some of the commentary here and no longer sees a reason to write a real response...whether real means a thoughtful response to the question, or a witty response. I'd like to see that clarified and then have Edda try to return to her former glory and see what happens.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-13 08:26 AM |
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Clearly this column is neither witty nor helpful and baffling to those cognisant of both, which would include all ages from pre school to the centenarian.
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-13 09:16 AM |
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Deeandra, if you are a hottie, there are hundreds of businesses where they will hire you on the spot in SB serving the public .Even though I am well qualified, and in possession of a well written updated resume, and willing to fill out an app, I have been turned down for a number of job possibilities just because my hair is now gray instead of blond. I still look great and am in good physical condidtion, have lots of work experience, glowing recommendations, but employers don't even bother to try and hide the fact that they are looking for young hotties. This applies to males as well. I have a male friend who has been looking for a long time and gets the same kind of responses.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-13 09:26 AM |
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Nonsense. Without references and a resume no bona fide company or business will hire one just based on appearances.
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JOJOFLYS
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2010-06-13 09:39 AM |
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Tongue-in-cheek -- not meant to be taken seriously, uses subtle sarcasm. Tongue-in-cheek fiction seems to abide by the conventions of an established serious genre and gently pokes fun at some aspects of that genre while still relying on its conventions. Those who don't 'get' Edda probably haven't read 'Dear Abby' or 'Ann Landers'. How can one think Edda doesn't 'fit' with the mysterious "Ed" who no one has met and a Houdini-like, race-loving dog who chases balls to choose contest winners?
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COMMENT 82239
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2010-06-13 09:58 AM |
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Can't you guys take a joke? Or get the joke? I think Edda is a hoot. The questions make me laugh and so do her answers. Lighten up, people.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-13 09:59 AM |
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With respect. I have read Ann Landers and Dear Abby and Edda remains identity challenged, boring, sans wit and nary a scrap of their brilliance.
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COMMENT 82115
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2010-06-13 10:03 AM |
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Sorry Jojo, you are wrong. When Ann / Abby (who both probably write most of the Dear Ann/Abby letters) start replying by saying "whatever...", it will be time for them to go too. Nothing subtle or sarcastic about it.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-13 10:11 AM |
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The indifferent speaks with a shrug.
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OLDLAWOMAN
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2010-06-13 12:31 PM |
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This column is a waste of time as it is now. I can find more humor than this provides in my own home. At least they gave it a shot, but really, brighten this column up with realistic questions and advice, or please dump it.
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-13 09:59 PM |
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Hey there, 82230 - you obviosly have no idea what you are talking about. SB businesses will hire a young, hot looking female or male because they know that it will bring them customers.I recently went to the manager (also a good friend) of a popular restaurant / bar in town, asking them to interview a friend of mine for a job, and was told that if he is not good looking and young, or Mexican, there is no job for him.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-14 06:20 AM |
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82343P. Restaurants clearly must have their own code regarding hiring ethics. My remarks were addressed to the professional in the workplace. And this area, I assure you,I do know something about.
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COMMENT 82357
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2010-06-14 07:15 AM |
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How can this column be a "waste" when it has the most replies?? It obviously has stirred things up a bit!
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-14 07:58 AM |
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Dear 82352, Wow - how is it that you do not consider that people who work in restaurants are professionals in the workplace? Serving and taking care of the public are some of the most demanding and difficult jobs out there.I have also heard accounts of blatant age-ism toward job applicants at golf courses, wine tasting rooms and boating concessions.
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COMMENT 82374
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2010-06-14 09:15 AM |
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I'm enjoying the comments. Thanks Edda! I think that this is a timely column topic. I spent some time with young adults the other day and was amazed by their sense of entitlement. They needed to be made happy in their job. They deserved high pay and a title suitable to their ego. "What's that? I need to look nice for an interview? I look best in (insert high priced clothing BRAND name here). Pass over the ATM card Ma."
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-14 10:20 AM |
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Experienced people applying for restaurant work and who have previously performed well, should have no trouble getting referrals.
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COMMENT 82115
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2010-06-14 10:31 AM |
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82361P obviously has no idea what the term "professional" means. "Professional" and "hard-working" are not the same thing. A waiter/waitress is NOT a professional. The chef IS a professional. I would expect a chef to provide a full resume when seeking a job, but not a waiter. A standard job application is all that is necessary for service-type jobs.
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COMMENT 82409
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2010-06-14 10:34 AM |
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As a former waiter in Santa Barbara, I can say that not only would you need an absolutely stacked resume to get hired, you'd also almost always need to know somebody. While being a chef certainly is not an easy job, there are many capable chefs around town while most waitresses/waiters have no sense of their job because they are so commonly hired based on appearance.
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COMMENT 82155
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2010-06-14 11:09 AM |
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The easiest way to define this professional and non- professional conflict and confusion without treading on toes and hurting feelings is simply this, to become an expert in a profession requires some years of study, the earning of some type of diploma, then experience. Whether it be for the Culinary Arts, Office Manager, Retail Manager, Software developer and so on and so forth. No stigma should be ever attached to the individual who has worked years as a so termed " non professional", while performing their job all through those years with skill, mega know-how and grace.
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-14 02:24 PM |
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As is usually the case, all of you - even those who think they are refuting my offer of advice, are in fact supporting my point. This was simply to encourage this "Deeanndrea" to go ahead and keep trying for jobs even though she "doesn't look good on paper". Whether she is a real person or not, there are a multitude of young people (pretty obviously, she is young and not very experienced, based on the question).who need work experience and will get a min wage job without working too hard at it. Once she gets that job (because she is willing to work for min wage and they need a warm body) she will start to gain the needed experience to progress in a professional career of some kind, whether it be WAITRESSING or ROCKET SCIENTIST
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-14 02:35 PM |
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Addendeum to 82499P - Furthermore, Deanndrea never said she was looking for a "professional level" job. She was simply looking for something she loves that makes her happy... You can do it, Deanndrea!! Happy job hunting - please update us on your results!!! :)
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COMMENT 82115
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2010-06-14 02:36 PM |
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From my vantage point, Deeanndrea, whether she is a real person or not, is too stupid and lazy to ever make it past the level of waitress. Rocket scientist?? Please.
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COMMENT 82507
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2010-06-14 02:45 PM |
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Hi racergurl, I think Ask Edda rocks, Keep up the good work, Edda!
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-14 02:48 PM |
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To 82505:Thank you very much!!! Once again, a comment supporting my original response.
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COMMENT 82511
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2010-06-14 02:53 PM |
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Deeandra, if you don't look good on paper but you do look good in person then apply "in person" to a restaurant like the one my friend calls, "Pair O' Thighs" where the uniform for waitresses is a pair of the shortest short-shorts and the waiters all wear shorts that are baggy & down to their knees (sexist?). Most employers want young, attractive, naive workers who can be trained & will work for low wages and do it with a smile on their face.
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COMMENT 82226P
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2010-06-14 02:59 PM |
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82511 - Thank you for keeping it real! That is exactly what I was trying to say in politically correct-speak!
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COMMENT 83722
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2010-06-18 05:39 PM |
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Deeandra, I'm sure what Edda meant to say is this: You seem to have a lot of requirements for your future job. But you expect nothing in return except a welcome mat. This is the real world you're living in, the one in which companies - large and small, fun and not so fun - have what's called due diligence. That means they have to make sure you are 1) who you say you are 2) legally hirable 3) have related or transferrable experience and aren't someone whom they cannot hire due to legal, ethical or financial risk to themselves. Things may have worked out great for you in the past. I, myself, have been hired on the spot in the past. But this is in no way the rule, but rather the exception. I realize some people here have mistaken your disinterest in making a resume for the unstated message that you find yourself attractive enough to be hired on the spot or that you are seeking service industry work. I didn't read this to be the case at all, but maybe it will help to look at things like this: Perhaps the company that doesn't do due diligence and doesn't have enough smarts/organization/savvy to ask for a resume isn't one you want to be working for. As for not looking good on paper, hire someone to help you make a real resume. It will likely be money well spent, even if it's your last 50 bucks. Because you need one, Deanna. You really need one.
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