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Dog Attack at the Mission Rose Garden

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 COMMENT 763966 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 07:40 AM

Is the rose garden an off leash park? No.

People are too kind, we need to start telling people to leash their pets as soon as we see them in an leash required area. If everyone at that park had piped up the moment they saw that dog off leash this may have been prevented but, nobody wants to be the bad guy by telling others they are breaking laws until it's too late. Poor little pooch :( I hope he makes it.

 

 COMMENT 763970P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 07:52 AM

Hoping police can track down that dog owner. Good work on lic plate number.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:10 AM

I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear of this vicious attack by a dog from such a "lovable" breed.

Hoping the little dog fully recovers.

 

 COMMENT 763975 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:10 AM

That poor little dog was counting on the owner to protect him... What kind of dog owner lets a 3 legged dog of any breed maim their companion ? The attacking dog should have been stomped to death or disembowled on the spot. As for the pitts' owner, clearly he should face charges and should have recieved a beating as well. Dogs count on their owners to keep them safe, its a partnership and you have a duty to defend your animal from cars, cliffs ( even at off leash spots) coyotes, and other dogs.

 

 COMMENT 763976 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:10 AM

If the pit had BEEN ON A LEASH this would have been avoided.

I have nothing against the breed, whatsoever. The sweetest dogs i have ever known have been pits. HOWEVER, aggressiveness, when present in them (or encouraged/trained) can be so strong, that they cannot be around other dogs. Especially small ones, because for whatever reason, large aggressive dogs tend to go after the littles. (This goes for all large dog breeds that were bred for protection/fighting.

Hopefully someone can track down the owner. My heart goes out to the owner and the little Enzo.

 

 COMMENT 763977P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:11 AM

Someone has to know the owner of the 3 legged pit bull. What color was it? The owner should go to jail for running away.

I'm hoping for a speedy recovery for Enzo. If his owner posts a go fund me for his care, I'm sure some of us will step up and help.

 

 COMMENT 763984 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:21 AM

975 - I don't care if that pit bull had two legs, the only owner that has to step up is the pitbull owner. Talk about victim blaming! Is your memory that short that you don't remember Grover beach! Jesus, what is wrong with people?

 

 COMMENT 763985 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:26 AM

Another day another unprovoked pit bull attack. These dogs even the "sweet" ones are bred for violence and this is the result. A ban on pit bulls is long overdue. Many other cities have these bans why not SB? Sad!

 

 COMMENT 763987 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:35 AM

I've witnessed this kind of dog attack and it is near impossible to stop it. We need to start enforcing the leash laws. This could have easily been a little child that was attacked. That's what happened at a park in Santa Fe, NM and now they enforce the leash law. Is that what it's going to take here?

 

 COMMENT 763988 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:36 AM

I really don't like Pit Bulls.

 

 FLICKA helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:37 AM

So, the owner of Enzo should have stomped the pit to death or disemboweled it on the spot? This has got to be a troll posting as surely no one could say that with a straight face. It is, however, an ugly statement blaming the victim's owner. Pit Bulls are large, strong dogs and their jaws lock onto their prey. So sad.

 

 COMMENT 763995 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:54 AM

How terrifying. I hope Enzo recovers.

Re: 975- This is most likely a trolling comment.

 

 COMMENT 763998 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:11 AM

Locking jaws is a myth. Strong jaws- yes, but there are no dogs with "locking jaws."

 

 KINGSFAN helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:14 AM

This story makes me so sad, and angry! If I hear more people say how sweet pit bulls are I'm going to loose it! In the last twenty years or so the only dog attacks I have read about have been pit bulls! I am a owner of three dogs when I am out walking them on leashes and I see a Pit I am on guard, because I know they will attack, that's what they do!
I will definitely be on the lookout for a VW van with the three legged Pit!

 

 COMMENT 763975 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:15 AM

Poster 975 here. No im not kidding around when i say this. I take my responsibility to my small dog as seriously as i do,the responsibility to my kids; and this is the rational response to an animal biting the throat of any small dependent im responsible for. Im sure many locals remember the old lady who used to walk her tiny dog at butterfly beach and caried a telescoping tazer type device to keep her small dog safe. We all carry a phone and would call for help, but im the one who is irrational for saying i would help my dog when it counts most?

 

 COMMENT 764009P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:34 AM

000-975 - Not so much that you would "help" your dog....you said you would "stomp to death or disembowel." the pit. Think about the ridiculous thing you said. Do you really think you would have been able to:

1. Stomp a large, strong, attacking dog with gnashing teeth...to death? Good luck trying that without getting your legs chewed to bits.

or

2. Disembowel a large, strong, attacking dog with gnashing teeth... whilst attacking you? If you are walking around with a large knife and are mentally and physically capable of doing that to an attacking pit bull, then we, as a public, have more to fear from YOU than a 3 legged pit bull.

 

 COMMENT 764011 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:36 AM

Are there potential criminal charges for leaving the scene, or are they the same as if he had stayed? Great detailed witness accounts, I have hope they'll catch this jerk and his unhinged dog.

 

 RICHYRICH helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:36 AM

975, i'd love to see you try to get a pitbull, using force, off of your dog when it is attacking. Believe me, I've done it. A pitbull attacked my dog a couple of years ago and was literally trying to kill my dog. I am no weakling and I literally beat that pitbull with my fist as hard as I could and it didn't phase it at all. All this while the female owner of the pitbull was standing there doing nothing other than screaming. I too understand how sweet pitbull's can be with their owners, but they are dog shit for a breed! Ever since that event I've always carried a serious knife. And I swear to you if another pitbull ever attacked my dog I am going to disembowel it on the spot! I hate pit bulls! They are responsible for the vast majority of all serious incidents! And their owners are complete idiots claiming that it is the dog owner and not the breed that is the problem. BS!

 

 COMMENT 764013 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:37 AM

kingsfan, not a van, a VW wagon!

 

 COMMENT 764017P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:48 AM

Another PIT BULL attack. What a surprise.

It doesn't matter if they have no legs, it's still a "power dog" genetically engineered to be an intimidating force.

Once a Pit "locks & loads" it usually will not stop until it's victim is dead regardless of the attempts by the loving owner to stop it.

It's time to mandate strict controls on the ownership of these normally four legged weapons.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:48 AM

It is also a disservice that the animal shelter so often features pits or pit mixes as adoption candidates, often citing a sweet disposition.

Rather than trying to push these dogs back out into civil society, they should be euthanized immediately when they are brought to the shelter.

No, I don't care if a few "sweet" ones die in the process. That's the price to be paid for cleaning house on this breed which should never be allowed to proliferate.

 

 COMMENT 764022 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 09:55 AM

Pitbulls and their owners are a menace to society. Pittbulls should be banned.

 

 FLICKA helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:00 AM

Maybe the Pits don't "lock" their jaws but they are so firmly clenched it's next to impossible to pry them open, hence, the saying "locked jaws".

 

 COMMENT 764030 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:07 AM

As a dog walker, and trainer, there is one method that I've used, that really works and is easy.

Get behind the attacking dog, and grab hold of both their back feet and LIFT up, and the dog will lose balance, fall over and run away.

Grab back feet of attacking dog, hold tight, lift up till the dog falls over. Works every time.

Grab back legs, hold tight, lift up till dog loses balance and falls over. The attacking dog will run off.

Police and run partial plate, and get the registered owners info.

 

 COMMENT 764017P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:11 AM

Animal services should NOT put PIT BULLS up for adoption. What a joke.

If you know dog breeds at all, this breed is 100% loyal to its original owner & will protect to the death as evidenced many times here on EdHat.

Animal Control needs to do the right thing and euthanize any pits that show up at the shelter.

For all the pit bull bleeding hearts here, this is NOT a troll so no need to saddle up on the high horse.

 

 COMMENT 764035 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:15 AM

Let me start by saying I was one of the witnesses. In fact, I was the person near Enzo and her owner, and who took them to the emergency clinic. I saw the entire incident from start to finish.

To the person - 975 - who suggested "dog owners should protect their dogs." The pitbull charged the woman and her dogs FROM BEHIND. There was no way she could have seen it coming. In addition, the pitbull raced in. His speed was not impeded by three legs. Lastly, she did everything she could to help Enzo. Not to mention trying to keep her other dog safe.

I firmly believe this is an off-leash issue. And a responsible ownership issue. If you are a dog owner and you know your dog has aggressive tendencies, admit it. And act accordingly. Keep your dog on a leash. Even if you don't care about other people, their kids, and their dogs - think about it this way. You're keeping your dog safe too. Because it will most likely be euthanized after an aggressive attack.

 

 COMMENT 764039 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:28 AM

022: such ignorance, this is a bad thing that unfortunately HAS happened. No need for foresight or bickering. I swear this community is so divided and the ones that actually comment on these forums/pages/posts etc generally are extremely...well, narrow minded (aka OLD SOUNDING). There's talk about pits being menaces, well that is just utter garbage. People train dogs, just as people use guns. Just as now, YOU, don't have the consideration to think of people raising the animals; people (in general) make bad decisions and are generally inconsiderate. So... a ban on any particular breed, would be the same situation as we don't condone the negativity on people of different skin color or culture (we are all one race). We can, however, raise awareness and these adoption centers are doing exactly that but 974 has such an issue with pits.

 

 COMMENT 764040 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:32 AM

I see about 5-10 off leash dogs a day it's kind of crazy really.

Off leash at the Mission...playing with fire.

 

 COMMENT 764046 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:44 AM

Jesus another Pit Bull attack. Those dogs are a menace.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:44 AM

040 - You're right. And, I'll add this: "Pit bulls off leash at the Mission...playing with an inferno!"

 

 COMMENT 764049 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:46 AM

Thank you 035, for your rational thinking and unbiased opinion. I agree this was an incredibly irresponsible act on the part of the owner and their dog should have been leashed. Even the best of behaved dogs should be leashed where the law requires it, especially in the middle of town like that. I hope this guy gets caught, but I understand why he would run. He is probably terrified of what will happen to his dog now too. It's disheartening to hear I'm a "menace to society" because I care for my dog despite the fact that her breed is used as a scapegoat for irresponsible breeding and dog ownership/raising. My thoughts are with Enzo's Mom as she cares for her furchild.

 

 COMMENT 764051 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:47 AM

Can't wait until SB adopts more off leash areas!

 

 COMMENT 763966 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:51 AM

051-That's not going to happen.

 

 COMMENT 764055 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:54 AM

Most civilized cities and nations have long since banned ownership of American Pit Bull breeds. Enough is enough. Pass appropriate bylaws now.

 

 KINGSFAN helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 10:58 AM

Not buying it 039.
I don't think the woman who's pit attacked richyrich's dog trained it to do that, that is inherent of the breed.
Eliminate the monsters in our society. Dogs or human.

 

 COMMENT 764061 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:10 AM

Many irresponsible dog owners let their dogs wander off leash at the Mission Rose Garden. They pester people picnicking, they approach very young children, and they can do stuff like this to other dogs. The owners are clueless about how bothersome their dogs are to other people.

I love dogs.

I do not like unattended dogs at the Mission Rose Garden.

 

 COMMENT 764062 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:10 AM

This has everything to do with the owners and nothing to do with the animal. People will always be responsible for their pets actions. If you chose to keep an animal, you should know if they are aggressive and how to control them.

I love dogs but the amount of people who allow their dogs off leash in this town is astounding. Leash and muzzle(if necessary), not only for their safety, but for the safety of other pets and other people who may not be comfortable around them.

 

 COMMENT 764063 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:12 AM

What a complete coward to run off after his dog did this. I really hope he gets caught and hope that Enzo recovers.

 

 COMMENT 764039 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:16 AM

KINGSFAN The heartlessness in these comments, and irrationality. I've seen some comments on Edhat; Very heartless, and again this is a sad situation but no need for all the banter that you bring forward. Very immature for such a "classy" community. This community is so quick to say things you would never say in person, and comes off as cold, heartless, and overall is what's hurting the country and especially our county. You people, to talk about leash laws the way you do, is just shocking. I bet you will complain about no where to hike eventually too when all land is private due to citizens being sue happy and overall irrational. Its a touchy subject and there are lots of grey areas that needs to be considered.. However, people talk with such absolute arrogance and certainty. That is what truly is shocking and sad, not necessarily a dog being aggressive. (Though tragic as it is.)

 

 COMMENT 764067P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:19 AM

To Enzo's owner: My heart aches for you. I hope little Enzo recovers quickly and fully. Poor little guy.

The Mission Lawn is not legally an off-leash space, but has been used as such for decades upon decades.

Considering the amount of dog owners who enjoy playing with their dogs off-leash on the Mission Lawn on a daily basis, legally or not, this is one rare incident. This incident will serve to "ruin it" for the well-behaved dogs and their owners who would have utilized that space in future. I find that dismaying.

Dogs which receive plenty of exercise are happier and bark less, making them better neighbors. We do need more off-leash space.

The on-leash/off-leash debate concerning this attack is understandable, but I think everyone should understand that a dog on-leash can also do great harm to another dog.

The real problem is the fact that the owner had an dog which was out of his control and aggressive. It's no surprise that there was someone with a dog which wasn't properly trained and which had issues with aggressiveness. Many people don't take the time to train and socialize their dogs.

Any dog can be aggressive. Each dog has 42 teeth, used to protect themselves and sometimes used for assault, if the dog feels so inclined.

I think all the talk of "pit" this and "pit" that shows how little most people understand dogs. No breed is more aggressive or likely to beat up on another dog. It all has to do with socialization and training.

I once heard, from the owner, how a Pug killed his five-pound dog. Do you know what a Pug dog is? They weigh between 14-18 lbs. They have tiny teeth.

There are pit bulls galore in Santa Barbara and yet we rarely hear of such aggressive mauling of another dog. This incident was horrible and unfortunate. But---don't blame the breed.

 

 COMMENT 764068 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:20 AM

What color was the vehicle?

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:23 AM

TV program titled "Pit Bulls & Parolees."

That speaks volumes about this breed and the criminals and gang members who have a violent affinity for these "sweet," "lovable" dogs.

As to our various dog venues - ALL dogs must be muzzled if off leash. Now that's an ordinance that should be passed here.

 

 COMMENT 764074 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 01:02 PM

Wow, lots of misinformation on this thread. Pitbulls are great family pets, but they need to be socialized and trained properly, just as any dog should be. Their jaws do not lock, but they are tenacious in everything they do. All dogs must be in full control of their owner when in public-- that's the law and the socially responsibly thing to do.

 

 COMMENT 764082 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 01:23 PM

why are we ok with coyote's running loose in our city parks but not pit bulls?

thank goodness a child wasn't attacked.......

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 01:30 PM

074 - "...great family pets." What a bunch of hooey!

Then why aren't there TV shows titled "Beagles and Parolees" or "Golden Retrievers and Parolees?"

Because only the true viciousness of the Pit Bull breed can be relied upon to exhibit depraved behavior time and time again.

 

 COMMENT 763987 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 01:33 PM

I honestly would like to know if properly trained and socialized pit bulls can be trusted to be off leash around small dogs. And what if a leashed small dog provokes an off leash properly trained pit bill? Will the training still be trusted to prevent a problem?

 

 COMMENT 764009P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 01:54 PM

085 - Seriously? Because TV's bank on sensationalism based on society's current fears/concerns etc. It's the same reason the show "Goldfish and Bird Watchers" wouldn't air....because NO ONE CARES about those things! "Pit Bulls and Parolees" intrigues us because so many of you are so terrified of BOTH.

Sounds like today's knitting class let out early.

 

 COMMENT 763976 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 02:05 PM

087 honestly, i have seen pit bulls who had little dogs bite at them, bark at them, lunge at them, and they stepped backwards and did nothing other than move their foot to try and step on the little dog to subdue it. I've witnessed (with astonishment) a toddler barely of the age to walk, toddle over to a pitbull and sit down next to the dog and pull (HARD) on it's ears. The pit licked the baby's face and wagged its tail, looking worried as the baby used it's face (Squishing the dog's eye and face with the palm of her hand) to stand up again. They are AMAZING DOGS when they are trained right (and naturally have a good disposition). They were regarded, when a new breed, and extolled as "the ultimate nanny dog" that would defend their young charges, to their own death if necessary.

 

 ANIMALLISTNER helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 02:10 PM

Animal Rescue Team, Inc. And our Animal abuse Task Force is offering a $1000.00 reward for any information leading authorities to the suspect, as well as charges filed for endangerment to others and damage to private property.

Those who care to donate towards enzo' surgery and care, may do so! We will atempt locating poor Enzo's humans. Praying Enzo makes a full recovery!

 

 COMMENT 764099 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 02:15 PM

The pit bull breed needs to be outlawed because statistics show that it often is a danger to society. .

Millions of animals are killed each year in our shelters. The shelters should euthanize pit bulls so that the others have a better chance of being saved.

 

 COMMENT 764100 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 02:19 PM

My heart also goes out to Enzo's owner and I'm sure she did everything possible to help him. She's lucky not to have been hurt. I own a so-called dangerous breed. She was attacked on the mission lawn by a malamute. The owner I'll guess was proud of his dog for being so "brave", while I kicked the crap out of it until it let go. Changed my dog's (and my) life. She became dog aggressive. I had to retire her from competition and activities where there might be loose dogs. There is a special place in hell for irresponsible dog owners especially those who equate their manhood with their dog's ferocity. I hope he is caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent including complete financial responsibility.

 

 COMMENT 764113 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 03:23 PM

974 - do you feel the same about euthanize for criminals...?

055 - not true at all. Very few places have bans on pit bulls and many that do are in the process of overturning them due to he fact that THEY DONT WORK

My pit bulls have been attacked NUMEROUS times by other dogs of all breeds and not once have they fought back. This thread is sounding eerily similar to the things that trump says and I can guarantee that the majority of commenters here saying kill all pit bulls, ban all pit bulls also denounced trump saying deport all immigrants. Bunch of hypocrites you all are.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 03:45 PM

113 - "...euthanize for criminals...?"

Hey, for certain crimes it couldn't hurt!

 

 CHACHA helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 03:54 PM

976, what idiot lets a baby mess with a pitbull's face?

Just google "baby" "infant" mauled or killed and pit bull and see how that can turn out.

 

 COMMENT 764131 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 04:06 PM

Some Mexican-American kids in my apartment complex are in love with my dog (pug) and I usually end up spending an hour or so at night sitting around with them as they love up my dog and talking about dog/cat care. They ask really good questions and one of the things I emphasize is that neutering/spaying their pets is a favor to not only their animals but can take away aggression and situations where their pet may be hurt or hurt another animals. They are old enough that I explain that I volunteered in animal shelters and that there aren't enough homes for all the puppies and kittens from unaltered dog. I hope Enzo is okay and I hope to influence these kids to be responsible dog owners someday.

 

 COMMENT 764017P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 04:18 PM

MORE off leash areas? Perhaps, but ban Pit Bulls.

If they're spotted there, call animal control & then 'Book 'em, Danno!"

First offense to get them released to the owner - $500

Second time - $2000

Third - Sorry Charlie - no more dog You & the dog lose.

 

 COMMENT 764184 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 06:48 PM

Owning a pitbull is my choice. We fight for our beloved breed every day. My pitbull is never off leash, I don't want him in a situation he is uncomfortable to be in. We purposely cross the street when other dogs come by so as not to worry others. This pitbull owner was irresponsible and put his dog in a horrible situation. I'm so sorry for the little dog. We care about all dogs.

 

 COMMENT 764068 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 07:15 PM

Now on KEYT.

 

 COMMENT 764194 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 07:54 PM

Statistics show that cars kill more people and animals a year than pit bulls. Should we outlaw them?

 

 COMMENT 764017P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 07:59 PM

Come on, 194! Seriously. What a complete crock of hooey.

Next you'll be telling us that "Animals are people too."

Cars kill more people? Duh!

 

 COMMENT 764205 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:15 PM

Regarding the original post, I hope they find the guy and dog that fled. What an unfortunate and preventable situation.

Regarding all the posts that are respectful and actually opinion-oriented...thank you.

Regarding all the other posts that are derived from hatred and ignorance...how shameful. I have a pitbull, who was leashed and attacked by a leash-less chihuahua. My dog was confused and attempted to get away, while this tiny chihuahua bit her neck and attempted to do more harm. It was unable to do much due to size difference, and I went in and picked it up by the neck. All dogs can be aggressive. The ones that make the news tend to be the ones with the most damage, which typically means bigger/stronger dog attacking smaller dog. Instead of generalizing to an entire breed...why don't we as dog owners do the best we can to prevent these kinds of terrible situations: leashing our dogs where/when appropriate, positive training and socialization, etc.

 

 COMMENT 764208 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 08:30 PM

according to KEYT newscast this evening, van driver resides in Lompoc so LEOs are more than likely going to catch the coward. Glad the plates were reported! And 975..you've got to be joking, right? Because that's an incredibly ignorant statement otherwise.

 

 LUCKY_777 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:32 PM

We all know pit bulls are genetically primed to attack, both small animals and small children. You can argue for them all you want, statistics prove otherwise. Pit bulls make up 6 percent of the dog population in Canada and the US, but they are responsible for 68 percent of dog attacks and 52 percent of dog-related deaths from 1982 to 2009, TIME Magazine reported. BAN PITS.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-17 11:49 PM

There's just no getting around the fact that pit bulls have been selectively bred for centuries to have strong jaws, a strong body, and strongly aggressive behavior. No matter how you raise them, these innate tendencies are still present within them, though they may be latent. All it takes is a triggering event, and that sweetie will do what it's been hardwired to do. And, as Lucky_777 pointed out, statistics show this overwhelmingly.

 

 JB86 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 01:02 AM

A lot of self-styled experts on pit bulls on this thread, many of whom have no actual first-hand experience with the breed. All I know, first-hand, is that my daughter has a 4-year-old female pittie that is truly sweet and gentle. 80 pounds, strong, yes, but never a threat to anyone. The dog loves to play with others, including small dogs, lives happily with a cat, and is tail-wagging friendly with everyone she meets. Maybe some of this comes from strict positive training - and the wrong training can make any dog dangerous - but I don't see where there is any inherent evil. My daughter is sensitive to others' fears of pitties and always has her dog leashed and muzzeled in public. She even has a pastel scarf on the dog to soften the image. Hey, when my daughter and her dog visit us, my 9 pound, 18-year-old cat can intimidate this dog. So, stop with the generalizations.

 

 COMMENT 764238P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 06:39 AM

Can anyone tell us how the little Enzo is doing? And thanks to the animal trainer/dog walker for letting us know about lifting up the back hind legs. That's invaluable. And duh, yes, dogs should be on leash. I sure hope they find the owner of the attacking pit.

 

 COMMENT 764046 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 07:24 AM

Anyone who's owned dogs for awhile has had at least one bad encounter with a pit bull off leash. I don't care how sweet your pitty is those dogs need to be on leash at all times.

 

 COMMENT 764253 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 07:48 AM

I agree that training and socialization are the key to dog safety. Dogs pick up on fear and large breeds often intimidate folks, pits especially.

Dogs should always be leashed where required and aggressive dog always leashed and muzzled. Some big dogs are just too strong to be physically controlled and should only be off leash in a private, fenced yard.

We are all responsible to maintain the safety of humans and animals around us. What happened here is criminal. If all pits were as bad as described, they would and have been, banned. Hate the behavior, not the dog. This very tragic situation could only have been prevented by HUMANS, not dogs. We are responsible to keep a cool head and others SAFE at all times.

 

 COMMENT 764254 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 07:48 AM

247- Agreed, about these dogs being on leash at all times. A strong leash! There was an incident reported on NextDoor the other day at Alice Keck Park Gardens where the owner "lost control" of his leashed pit bull and the pit severely injured a small dog. "young, gray pit bull" is the only description --- and the injured dogs owners were so intent on rescuing their dog, they don't have the name/info of the pit bull owner. If anyone happened to be there and saw there, please post here and it can then be posted on NextDoor

 

 COMMENT 764256 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 07:54 AM

I had a dog who adored me but was aggressive towards other people and dogs. We ran off leash early, late all times opposite of others. Hot days-we hiked and avoided the beach, chilly days-we hit the beach=it can be done.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 07:57 AM

238P - KEYT had the story last night showing the dog all stitched up and appearing to be recovering well.

 

 COMMENT 764287P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 10:16 AM

Gee, I wonder how the dog lost his leg???

 

 RICHYRICH helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 11:11 AM

It's a total and complete fantasy to think that pit bulls are fine if they are simply trained and socialized properly. Some folks are just not going to do it and the high number of incidents related to pit bulls will continue. It's a crappy breed!

 

 COMMENT 764113 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 11:18 AM

You all can have your opinion but pit bulls will not be outlawed and will not be culled from society so you should all just buck up and get over your irrational and hypocritical fear. There are bad seeds in every breed and I can tell you I've been bitten and attacked by dauschunds, chihuahuas, Maltese, etc. I have NEVER felt threatened by a pit. Get over yourselves

 

 COMMENT 764046 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 11:26 AM

Says a lot about a dog when it's the preferred breed of thugs.

 

 COMMENT 764319 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 12:07 PM

As a small dog owner, I will pick up my dog and walk around aggressive looking pits. That's a simple solution that anyone can follow.

 

 CORKY helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 12:07 PM

975 I was confused by that post seeming to blame a woman or man for not stepping in to rescue their dog against pit. A man recently was killed helping a neighbor who was attacked by a dog.

 

 COMMENT 764329 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 12:53 PM

The genetic instincts and tendencies of certain dog breeds are well known. Retrievers want to run and retrieve things back to their owners. They do this even without any training. I have a medium size shepherd who always ran in circles when she played. No doubt that instinct suited the breed for herding of a flock of sheep. Chiwawas (sp.) tend to appear overtly aggressive probably as a defense mechanism because they are so small. Pit Bulls have an attack instinct greater than most breeds and even though they can be trained to behave well, that instinct can arise. We all have heard of wild animals held in captivity and who have seemingly become completely "tame" yet in a moment of regression attack and kill a trainer or zookeeper!

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 04:36 PM

Anecdotes about your sweet pittie are just that. It's fantasy to think they were not bred for aggressiveness, and training can completely overcome it. It will be present to some extent in all dogs, but it has been deliberately intensified by human intervention in the case of pit bulls. Don't fall for the alternative facts mentality of thinking that reality is what you want it to be.

 

 COMMENT 764184 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 08:44 PM

Owning a pitbull is a lifestyle. You fight pitbull stereotypes and you take on these stereotypes as if they were about your own people. Being a pitbull owner is about fighting for a breed of dog who's reputation is tarnished and showing people who they really are. Their bad name becomes your mission. You become an advocate for their rights. Being a pit bull owner is not only a responsibility, its a duty, and most of all it's a privilege. It's a privilege no one can understand, but an owner of the most loving dog there is.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-18 09:32 PM

See? Fantasy. Detachment from reality.

 

 RICHYRICH helpful negative off topic

2017-03-19 09:09 AM

Perfect 404. It's like making a life's mission to stand up for a handgun that accidentally discharges once in a while. Brilliant!

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-20 09:07 AM

So how much pit blood makes a dog eligible for death? Is it one drop? Sounds very familiar to viewpoints used in the south in the 20th century.

Probably a lot of the people with pits in town shouldn't really have them. They are a little like having a gun in the house, in that their potential for damage is pretty high if they are misused. Like a lot of other big dogs.

If you are willing to kill loving dogs as they lick your face, the shelter would like you to volunteer. The staff there mostly like dogs and hate killing them. Hard to kill things unless they are directly threatening you. At least it is for me.

If you see an unneutered unspayed unlicensed pit bull, that is your chance to make a difference. Report the owner to Animal Control and force them to be a responsible owner.

 

 COMMENT 764049 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-20 02:20 PM

Thank you 404. I don't think that could be said with more grace and accuracy. Richy--- If folks will fight tooth and nail to maintain ownership of their weapons- people that have no feelings, about killing and injuring others at a higher rate than any animal- I will fight tooth and nail for the innocent lives that are abused and reputations tarnished by irresponsible owners. The main difference I see here is one is 100% natural that has a right to life and one is a hunk of metal. In the wrong hands, with the wrong person, both outcomes can be dangerous.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-20 04:49 PM

Believing that dangerous things, animate and inanimate, are harmless, is delusional.

 

 COMMENT 764184 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-20 06:08 PM

Hysteria. Go outdoors to a park, turn on Netflix, and live your life. They're just a dog.

 

 COMMENT 764184 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-20 07:23 PM

8 million pitbulls woke up today, licked their owners happily, ate, slept, played, and went on about their lives.

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 01:21 PM

Has been reported that a 3-legged pit has been confiscated and is in lockdown at the County Shelter. That dog will probably never make it out of the shelter alive. Hope that makes all the haters out there happy.

 

 COMMENT 764009P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 01:27 PM

782 - Unfortunately, you may be right.

 

 ROGER DODGER helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 01:51 PM

I am sorry that Enzo got attacked and I am sorry that the attacking dog will most likely be put down the owner of the dog who attacked should be in jail.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:00 PM

782 - Not a hater, but will be happy if the offending pit is put down and the owner prohibited from ever owning another.

 

 COMMENT 764795 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:03 PM

To all of the people posting that pitbull attacks are not surprising and think that asking for a ban on the breed is necessary:

Even if a pitbull (or any dog for that matter) IS aggressive against other dogs, it is the owner who takes the responsibility of keeping their dog on leash, with a muzzle, or away from parks where dogs frequent.

If you adopt, you are told about their personalities and habits so that you do not put themselves or any other animals in harms way. If you raise a dog, you socialize them to be non-aggressive companions.

That goes for ALL dog breeds.

Just because a small chihuahua isn't as strong as a pitbull, it doesn't excuse the many times I've seen them try to attack other dogs, but no one cares to ban them because they are more easily managed at such small height/weight. Same goes for terriers and many other breeds I am sure.

 

 COMMENT 764798 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:12 PM

Pit Bull owner here... not a menace to society, not a gang member, just an average white girl in her mid 40's who is a very productive member of society. I have seen a pitt bull attack another dog and lifting the hind legs off the ground is the most effective measure to stop the fight. I have seen Jack Russels attack other dogs and the hitting and kicking works for those aggressive dogs. I have seen Golden Retrievers and Labs threaten and snap - not much you can do there other than lift the hind legs. Animals are animals, dogs are dogs and if you cannot handle them being violent to each other, then I suggest you get rid of your pet, because THEY ALL HAVE A VIOLENT SIDE.

 

 COMMENT 764030 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:13 PM

@525 ---- I really don't think ANYONE is happy about this incident ...

@184 ---- Yes, 8 million Pits, usually do not attack their owners, or animals or humans in their own pack....

As a dog walker, and trainer, there is one method that I've used, that really works and is easy.

Get behind the attacking dog, and grab hold of both their back feet and LIFT up, and the dog will lose balance, fall over and run away.

Grab back feet of attacking dog, hold tight, lift up till the dog falls over. Works every time.

Grab one back leg or even one back foot, hold tight, lift up till dog loses balance and falls over. The attacking dog will run off.

Police can run partial plate, and get the registered owners info.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:32 PM

Pick up a pit bull's hind leg(s) and lift. Pit bull will lose balance, spit out dog it has chosen to kill, and refocus on you.

 

 COMMENT 764811 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:33 PM

937 towns/cities in the US have breed specific legislation banning pit bulls. I'd say this breed is a health and safety issue.

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 02:38 PM

794, the fact that you will be happy at a dog being killed who had the misfortune of having an idiot owner makes you a hater.

If you said that you reluctantly would support the euthanization to ensure the safety of the community, then maybe you wouldn't be a hater.

No reasonable person takes pleasure in the killing of another sentient creature.

 

 COMMENT 764067P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 03:03 PM

525. Please enlighten us as to how one can tell, on sight, whether or not a female dog has been spayed.

 

 COMMENT 764825 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 03:11 PM

Pepper spray. For the attacking dog and its owner as well.

 

 COMMENT 764009P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 03:14 PM

825 - and jail time for you for assaulting another person who is posing no threat (ie, not attacking you so self defense doesn't apply).

 

 COMMENT 764835 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 03:26 PM

If pit breeds aren't a problem, why did my home insurance carrier ask if I owned a pit breed dog? My car insurance doesn't question whether I drive a red car because there are no stats showing that red cars are involved in more accidents. So I can only surmise that there must be some statistical basis for homeowner insurance companies to inquire about the breed of dog.
Thank you to all of you responsible pit dog loving owners who keep them on leash. Those of us who are admittedly uncomfortable around pit breeds truly appreciate it.

 

 COMMENT 764843 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 03:57 PM

Thanks for the update, glad Enzo is on road to recovery!

 

 COMMENT 764068 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 04:11 PM

813 - Where has it been reported?

 

 COMMENT 764848 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 04:11 PM

People defending pits and other bully breeds need to google "dog bite statistics" and discover for themselves how dangerous these dogs are. They were bred as weapons and that's what they remain no matter how sweet yours is to you. Keep them leashed and muzzled if you insist on disregarding the facts and owning one.

 

 COMMENT 764811 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 04:27 PM

In the past twenty years, I've had two friends attacked by dogs, both dogs that they owned. Both were pit bulls. One person was scalped for the most part. The other friend was bitten on the arm and cornered in the house until help could arrive. I've witnessed a pitbull chase down a child with intent to kill (lucky owner was able to step on the leash.) I can't say I've seen this problem with ANY other breed of dog and I'm almost 50 years old.

 

 COMMENT 764858 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 04:38 PM

People are insane, I often see a guy bike through shoreline ... followed by his pitbull a good 100ft behind him just running wild trying to keep up. Other times I see muscle bound pits with battle cropped ears (these are not rescues) being walked on a chain and yellow nylon rope as if they are just trying to intimidate people...

 

 COMMENT 764030 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:05 PM

@810 - After the dog loses it's balance and falls over, don't let go of the feet. The dog will NOT be able to get at you.

It's been my experience, after using this technique, the dog is confused, and runs off. Probably, because I was able to dominate the dog.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:08 PM

Another informative tidbit:
A 2006 study from the Journal of Interpersonal Violence revealed that owners of vicious dogs were significantly more likely to have criminal convictions for aggressive crimes, drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, crimes involving children and firearms.

These findings were confirmed in a 2009 report published in the Journal of Forensic Sciences. The authors of that report wrote, "Vicious dog owners reported significantly more criminal behaviors than other dog owners," and they were ranked "higher in sensation seeking and primary psychopathy."

And a 2011 study, also in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, found that "vicious dog owners reported significantly higher criminal thinking, entitlement, sentimentality and super-optimism tendencies. Vicious dog owners were arrested, engaged in physical fights, and used marijuana significantly more than other dog owners."

 

 COMMENT 764868 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:08 PM

Enzo's doing pretty good for a dog who "had its neck almost completely severed". Must be a helluva good vet. Or maybe, just maybe, some folks are prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

To the dog picker-uppers, guess why the other dogs want to sniff you and approach in a manner that is likely uncomfortable? And what are you teaching your dog? BE AFRAID! I understand your thinking, but might not be the best thing in the long run. If the other party's dog is truly vicious, do you really want it jumping on you? If your little dog is so terrified, it seems cruel to take it out where it may encounter the source of its fear, then for you to reinforce it. Better to find a big gentle dog to let your pet get acquainted with and reduce its anxiety, and coincidentlay yours.

 

 COMMENT 763974 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:40 PM

873 - With such sterling credentials, what draws you to own such a breed? Honestly curious.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:46 PM

It's the entitlement and sociopathy speaking. Notice the JD.

 

 COMMENT 764879 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 05:54 PM

Thank you _777 for providing some facts for the discussion. Ask an insurance agent about homeowners coverage for pit bull owners and on what factual basis the insurance company has established that policy.

 

 COMMENT 764184 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 06:28 PM

State Farm is my renters insurance. They don't judge unless the individual dog has been deemed vicious. Wonderful company, I love them!!!

 

 COMMENT 763984 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 06:50 PM

873 - Big difference, dog breeds are entirely man made. We bred traits into dogs. Man literally selected every breed type and trait. A blood hound has an innately superior sense of smell because man bred that trait into it, likewise pits have aggression bred into them. It is not some sort of dog racism to acknowledge man made traits. Dogs are bred to be superior/inferior man is not. Your equating the two is foolish and kind of racist in itself.

 

 COMMENT 764067P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 06:55 PM

So happy Enzo is doing well. Best to you, Enzo. I hope you and your owner soon overcome your traumatic experience. As my dear old Mum used to say: "If you're alive, things are bound to happen to you."

 

 COMMENT 764891 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 07:19 PM

873: I never thought about it like that before, and your comment has changed how I feel about pit bulls. Prior to reading your comment, I thought pit bulls were the type of dog breed that would be used for dog fighting, and would be very good at it....dog fighting/biting/killing and such. Now I have a different opinion, so thank you for your insight.

 

 COMMENT 764113 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 07:35 PM

what draws me to them? their heart, loyalty, unwavering eye contact, intelligence, personality, unconditional love, and many more.
Their origins do NOT mean that every one is innately mean. The VAST majority of pit bulls are friendly creatures who are wonderful family pets, yet all you hear about in the news are the negatives, and even if there are positives, you apparently just sit there plugging your ears, screaming NANANA...
Only 2 of the 50+ dogs rescued from Michael Vick were put down. The rest were rehabilitated and placed into homes with other dogs and children and some even became therapy dogs that visited hospitals. If these dogs were truly, innately vicious, how on earth do you explain the fact that once rescued, these dogs became docile, loving family dogs? I implore you to open your heart and open your mind. Advocating for the killing of all pit bulls just because they were born a certain breed is pitiful and disturbing.

 

 COMMENT 764233P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-21 07:56 PM

Speaking about ears plugged! The data on dog attacks clearly show that pit bulls are dangerous. Plug your eyes and ears all you want, but that fact does not change. Feel free to endanger yourself, but put some thought toward those around you.

Entitlement, sentimentality and super-optimism. Just like the poorly reasoned argument and logical irrelevancies of 873's screed.

 

 COMMENT 764932 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 07:04 AM

You can take the pit bull out of the fight but you can't take the fight out of pit bull.

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 08:34 AM

233P, how do you define a vicious dog? Is it a dog that has been deemed vicious by a City due to an incident? Or are you talking about breeds. Then I can imagine if there was a dog that was mishandled and mistrained by its owner, those owners are more likely to be engaged in criminal activity. But the last 2 vicious dog cases in SB were not like that. No one said those owners were criminals except for being irresponsible dog owners.

 

 COMMENT 764049 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 09:39 AM

I'm shocked of all the comments to be deleted here, it was 873. Politically biased nanny hanging about? I own a pit mix, have never been arrested, have never physically harmed another human, have no criminal intent nor extreme sense of entitlement. If anything, I see the entitlement in all the small breed owners who act like THEIR small dog pulling on the leash and barking isn't an act of an aggressive dog. I went to the Mission gardens the day after this happened- every dog over 60 lbs was leashed, and almost every small dog was running around off leash. HYPOCRISY MUCH?!

 

 SACJON helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 09:48 AM

970 - I fully agree with you on the bias here. There are plenty of vicious and violent comments ranging from advocating "stomping to death and disemboweling" dogs to "kill all pits" to even pepper-spraying human owners of dogs if their dogs happen to attack.

Why is advocating violence ok, but defending your dog breed, albeit with dismal logic and a reference to President Trump, not ok?

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 10:20 AM

970, if the small dog is off leash, and the big dog is on leash, whatever happens next is not the big dog's fault.

Happened at the onleash side of Hendry's a few years back- the off leash small dog ran up to the leashed standard poodle and ended up dead. No consequences for the poodle or its owner as the off leash owner was at fault.

 

 COMMENT 764049 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 10:39 AM

@984, just because I wouldn't be at fault doesn't make it any less traumatic, frustrating, or hypocritical. I can not tell you how many times I have been walking my leashed dog (who DOES have some leash aggression) through a neighborhood or on a trail and have been caught in a corner by a tiny dog that would NOT return to it's owners despite being called and in which the owners would NOT come and physically pick up their 10 lb dog. We all make mistakes, we all lack some good judgement sometimes. I'm sorry for this small dog but people on this thread are really over-reacting.

 

 COMMENT 764238P helpful negative off topic

2017-03-22 11:17 AM

There is a Go Fund Me page for Enzo. I just sent in a small donation but everything is appreciated and needed.

 

 COMMENT 764525 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-23 07:37 AM

Noozhawk says dog owner has been caught, dog has been confiscated and will go through a "vicious" dog hearing. Also says dog owner is contacting Enzo's owner to pay vet bills.

 

 ANIMALLISTNER helpful negative off topic

2017-03-24 03:14 PM

Please update if the attack dog owner has been found? We sent a donation to Enzo's go fund me page...:)

 

 COMMENT 766268 helpful negative off topic

2017-03-30 09:30 AM

Happened to my small dog at Hendrys. Attacker was a terrier who went for the kill for no apparent reason. Horrible pictures but my dog survived. And the owner was gracious and generous.

 

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