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Traffic Collision Found Over 154

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 COMMENT 366268 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:07 PM

4th DUI in 3 years!? A 4th is a felony and the 3rd comes with a 3 year license suspension, so obviously he was at a minimum driving without a license.

That is a great penalty but how do we prevent the chronic DUI drivers from just driving without a license?


 ROGER DODGER helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:22 PM

You know the answer to that as well as I do we just can't say it.


 EDDIEKD helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:26 PM

Answer: We seize the cars of chronic inebriates (or penalize those who let them use cars) and give a life sentence after the fourth infraction. If you've done it three times (or even after two), and then do it again, you don't deserve to live in polite society with the rest of us, threatening my kids live. It's that simple. You may have a disease, need help, want to change, blah blah blah, but I don't deserve to die because you got on the road. Get a bike. No, maybe that won't even work. P.S. Kudos to the family for turning him in.


 COMMENT 366305 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:48 PM

@ Eddie.....you have the right answer, I am with you all the way!


 COMMENT 366309P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:51 PM

Nice Press Release from the CHP.

There are two separate topics here: 1. If he was DUI and his potential negligence and 2. Why did it take them so long to find him.

With the phone number of the cell phone from the reporting party, they could have pinged it and got his GPS location. The only exception to this would have been if his battery died between 4PM and 5PM.

They didn't find the vehicle until 15 HOURS after it was reported.

The car was just 20 feet off the road, and was visible from the side of the road. If any of the responders got out of their car and just looked with flashlights, they would have seen him. You can see this in the linked picture below.

Maybe it is a bad guy with priors of DUI. Regardless, If you were involved in an accident, you would likely want to be found more quickly and not have to spend the night injured in your car. Anyone with more serious injuries could have died waiting.

Also, the Press Release states "involved Toyota Prius had been earlier reported by motorists as being driven recklessly on US-101 northbound, in the Summerland area."

Really? If they are certain it was the same involved Prius, identified with license plate number, then why did the CHP not locate and stop the car with all that time and distance between Summerland and the 154?

And how will they determine he was DUI with prescription drugs if they are testing his blood 15 hours later? That would have to be one massive dose. He could also claim that it was in his blood due to pain from the accident and he took it post crash. All these things would have been resolved if they just got to the accident site sooner.

Picture of the accident site:?


 COMMENT 366309P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 04:56 PM

Corrected link to picture of the accident site:



 COMMENT 366347 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 05:44 PM

The teen who drove his Mustang off of ? Gibralter ? Rd last month also was not found until the next morning. This is the kid who was calling his dad on a mobile phone and the dad went out searching and found his son, not law enforcement.

This kid had a head injury and needed surgery. So yes, sometimes a car goes off the road and isn't easily found.

But I do wonder why if there were multiple motorists reporting an impaired driver in Summerland, couldn't he have been stopped before the 154?


 COMMENT 366352 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 05:50 PM

Let's let the police handle the investigation

We weren't there, and I personally have missed/ seen later, cars over the side of moutain/154 area. It's no small area to try and find something. They weren't going to shut down the pass and do a walk through regardless of if it was DUI or not.

They probably assumed since he talked to his family and said no pd that he wasn't gravely injured.

A car upside down, is going to look black. Add foliage, nighttime, etc. kinda hard to find. I say, good job glad they found him and he didn't hurt anyone else


 COMMENT 366362 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 06:17 PM

Let's say he wasn't impaired ... he still has had 3 DUI's in 3 years. Please, why isn't this man in prison? yes, impound his vehicle, sell it, and use the funds to help pay for the expense of his incarceration. If he continues to be at large, I've got a buck that says he's caught DUI again within 24 months. Not that it takes him that long to drive under the influence, just that he'll get caught again. When are we going to get SERIOUS about DUI?


 COMMENT 366409 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 08:09 PM

Inexperienced drunk driving is indeed dangerous, and our DUI laws need to be changed. Some people are better drivers with a BAC of .12 than others are sober. We should offer driving tests not only for driving skill, but to determine each person's safe BAC.


 COMMENT 366433 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 08:52 PM

409, you're kidding, right? Yes, no doubt there is a person A who drives better with a BAC of .12 than person B drives sober. But there isn't ANYONE who drives better with a BAC of .12 than he drives sober.


 COMMENT 366309P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 09:31 PM

347, Your statement supports my point. His dad found him, and not responders. That is not a good sign.

This car was not upside down, and 15-20 feet from the side of the road, and could be seen from the side of the road.


 COMMENT 366309P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-22 10:11 PM

CHP Officer Christopher Terry has now been quoted as saying:

"The reason we found it today is since we hadn't found anything last night and we kept getting calls about it second hand from his brother, our sergeant had a couple units come up here again and go very slowly looking up over the side of every crevice that we had"

Why the heck did they not do that LAST NIGHT??

Regardless as to if this was a DUI or not, how would you feel if you were involved in an accident, trapped in your car and visible from the side of the road but no one tried hard enough to find you until the next day.

Was this pay back because he didn't call 911 himself or due to his priors? I sadly almost hope it was because if not, it means all of us will get the same level of search if involved in an accident.

And please don't forget the man whom was seen crawling disoriented on the freeway Jan 1, searched for less than half an hour, then a man was found dead in the area several hours later.


 COMMENT 366467P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 02:02 AM

An interesting read, this thread. All DUI drivers belong behind bars (har), from the first incident. More DUIs, then the length of time incarcerated should increase exponentially. I bet that would make people call a taxi or recruit a designated driver friend.

My question, however, is this: What the heck is a "descending embankment?" I know that musical notes/chords can descend (verb), but how does an embankment descend? It moves downward? As opposed to an "ascending embankment?"


 COMMENT 366496 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 07:58 AM

Check it... Lol.. http://www.crolius.com/


 COMMENT 366524 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 09:24 AM

A Prius driver did something wrong. Oh no. tsk tsk.

(I'm only brave enough to say this assuming that his shoulder is the only part injured. His shoulder and his wallet.)


 COMMENT 366352 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 10:11 AM

455, seriously it's not a conspiracy.

I'm going to hide a can of spam on the 154, you have 3 hours to find it before it goes bad. If you don't find it I will think you don't care about me or my life.

If you read the keyt article they said they even used thermal imaging gear, it's not that they weren't trying.


 COMMENT 366606 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 01:04 PM

585 - thank you for your logic - you know the area and how it is.

309P - ever use a GPS on the 154? It will tell you that you are on the Chumash Highway and State Street if you are lucky. Based on everything I've read, it is not surprising that no one could find him and I'm glad his family members called the CHP - smart call.

Lots of Prius' get impounded and towed every day - like any car. The number of repeat offenders for DUI in this area is actually staggering. Yes there are laws that take away their licenses and even their vehicles (get caught on a suspended license, lose the car for 30 days, 2nd offense - the car is forfeited to the state) but lames are still out there driving around because they don't want to stay home and get wasted. It is awful. The single, slight upside is that he didn't hurt anyone but himself.


 AUNTIE S. helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 01:13 PM

Seems like this crash is the best penalty - maybe he'll learn from it. Hopefully others will too.


 COMMENT 366680 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 03:40 PM

Cops are like truck drivers; every once in awhile you find a good one. Quote from old man in McDonalds.


 COMMENT 366775 helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 08:36 PM

Wow. I'd encourage anyone feeling sorry for the guy to consider he could've easily gone head on with another car and killed multiple people but for timing.

The spot where he went off is an on-camber left where the passing lane briefly opens up to the right. Instead of going left, he just went straight. The down embankment is that there's basically a 15ft drainage ditch there, perfect size to fit a car on its side.

He called family members and asked them not to contact the fuzz? So that means he knew he was lit and wanted to be found, but not busted. If you are upset they didn't find him for so long, I'm going to send you on a scavenger hunt at night with minimal second hand details on location, and other dangers and distractions around and we'll see how you do.


 COMMENT 366783P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-23 08:51 PM

775, I do not disagree, though I had/have concerns about his not being found.
The driver started this. I believe there's no lawsuit in the offing. (WINK. No flame war intended.)
I knew another member of the family long, long ago; great guy with issues. Seems he straightened out, thank goodness.


 COMMENT 367332P helpful negative off topic

2013-01-25 10:11 AM

JBYRD: I took your advice and LOL. That boy sure has a wupping in store for him from "The Boss".


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