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Dog Fatality

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 COMMENT 357015P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 06:55 PM

Thank you for this posting. Not only did I feel compassion for the dog and the woman, but also appreciation for you relating this caring story. So sad for a dog to pass that way...probably exuberant and in the prime of life. Peace to all.


 PURPLERIDER helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 06:55 PM



 PURPLERIDER helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 06:56 PM

Carp, I meant BBD.


 COMMENT 357018 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 07:00 PM

How terrible, I'm really sad to read this. I was out there today and met lots of nice black dogs.


 COMMENT 357021P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 07:15 PM

Losing a pet at any time is difficult, but to lose one days away from Christmas is even worse. I didn't read (or at least I am thinking I didn't), whose dog it was. I have a new 10 week old puppy and to lose her in that way would be unbearable. My condolences to the family.


 COMMENT 357026 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 07:24 PM

Sad to here. S.B. being such a dog loving community your definitely will have lots of compassion for our canine friends. Prayers and comfort for all those involved.


 COMMENT 357027 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 07:35 PM

Heartbreaking. A lot of dogs seem to have died like this. It's really tragic.


 ROGER DODGER helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 09:21 PM

Poor little doggie I really hate hearing things like these. At least the little guy had people there that helped him.


 COMMENT 357037P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 10:17 PM

So sorry for the dog and the owner. I have a young big black dog and it would have killed me to have this happen. And she's just the type who would have careened off a cliff. Bless the girl who gave her shirt. So sad!


 COMMENT 357015P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 10:52 PM

Maybe in coming days we can start a thread to address this PROFOUND safety risk. This is happening too frequently. It is not OK. Can't think of anywhere else I've lived where this happens so regularly in one place. Sorry to digress; for now, all that matters is supporting the owner during their time of loss, and thanking those who lent support. Peace to you.


 COMMENT 357043P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 10:56 PM

A fence should probably be erected to protect dogs and children from the edge. It can be put up in such a way where it doesn't damage the view. It would be worth it


 COMMENT 357044P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 11:01 PM

015P - this has happened before?


 COMMENT 357046P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-23 11:10 PM

44P: Yes, it has happened before and been reported here at least three or four times, so who knows how many other falls there have been.

It's way overdue to have a fence there. This is a dog park and the dogs are not safe. A broken back must have been very painful! Agreeing with 043, a fence would be worth it: how many dogs dying or being injured is needed? When is the city going to do something about this?


 CEES helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 12:53 AM

I'm very sorry to hear about this dog, and I feel for the owners. However, I'm not a fan of fencing the bluff top. I have walked dogs at the Wilcox for 20 years and have not witnessed any issues with the cliffs. It is true that young dogs and new ones to the preserve need to be watched carefully until they know about the cliff. Years ago, it was the paragliders that put up a fight when the City attempted to put up some kind of barrier/fencing along the edge. I've always been glad that they prevailed.


 COMMENT 357059 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 06:23 AM

The owners were on the cliff above shouting their lungs out for 'Lucy' to not go down the cliff!! To their horror, she did not listen and thus, fell. My sister and her husband were absolutely devastated, this was their dog. So thankful for the kind, helpful people below.


 COMMENT 357043P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 06:51 AM

So heartbreaking! Only place I let my dog be off leash is at home, he's a little guy and I'm worried he will run off and get hit by a car of fall of the cliff, etc. So sad for the owners of the dog that this happened and that they saw their friend fall to their death, I would be crushed as well :(


 ANDY helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:09 AM

Bad Bad place to unleash an untrained dog that won't come when called. We are their pack leaders and should watch out for them at all times.

Heart goes out to the owners. They will never be the same

I agree that a fence should be erected..


 COMMENT 357046P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:31 AM

Seems like the only way the city of SB responds is because of a lawsuit. Where are the councilmembers on this? At least one, Murillo, has a dog and has expressed interest in dog parks. Maybe she might respond and do something without the need for a lawsuit?

I can't understand the opposition, CEES's for instance, in having a fence, invisble over the edge of the cliff, to protect dogs from falling. Wilcox/Douglas is in effect an attractive nuisance - even better behaved dogs can get out of control chasing a squirrel.

I won't bring my little dog there to this public park that I donated for: it's not fair to a dog to be onleash when all the rest are offleash; and having him offleash is putting his life at risk.


 ROGER DODGER helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:31 AM

About a year or so ago a touist lost both of his dogs off a cliff there..I wouldn't mind seeing this area fenced. It might be unnatural to put up a fence/barracade I'd rather stop hearing these sad stories of dogs losing their lives..If it happens to a kid there will be no question fence will go up anyway.


 COMMENT 357069 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:43 AM

Oh, so very, very, very heartbreaking. How incredibly sad. RIP Lucy and many blessings for the owners. xoxox

As for a fence. Not gonna happen. For a million reasons. Money, maintenance, eyesore, cliff erosion issues. A sign warning people of the dangers, yes. Several signs along the cliff, yes. The more the place is used, the more accidents that will happen. You can't protect everyone from everything. It's a cliff. It's a terrible place to take kids and yet I see people with their young kids there (think feces, urine, especially in the puddles after the rain, OMG, so bad and adults let their kids splash in the puddles!!!). BIG SIGN that says STOP and READ before entering the Douglas Preserve. Like Rip Tide warnings and other natural features people are not always familiar with...


 COMMENT 357072 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:53 AM

My vote is for no fence.


 COMMENT 357073 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 07:56 AM

Please do not protect us from nature with fences. These are the chances we take to enjoy nature with our dogs. I am scared when our dogs approach the edge and I call them away. I run the dogs on the beach below because the cliff is less of a threat.(falling rock) Condolences to the owner. This is a huge loss for the dogs' pack, and one we all dread.


 COMMENT 357074 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:08 AM

My thoughts and prayers go out to all who were touched so deeply by this tragedy~Peace, Love, & Comfort go out to you.


 COMMENT 357077 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:15 AM

No fence. Next they'll be requiring dogs off leash dogs to wear helmets, paw pads and knee pads.


 COMMENT 357078P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:23 AM

I wish that dog owners would put their dogs on leash as they approach the cliffs, unless the dogs are very reliably under voice control. This type of preventable accident continues to happen here every year. Very sad for the families and especially for the dogs who suffer.


 COMMENT 357079 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:28 AM

Yes, I saw a small dog die there a few years ago and it was heartbreaking. There should definitely be some sort of warning/sign since it happens way too often.


 COMMENT 357080 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:28 AM

Sorry to hear and I hope the family of this pup all the love.

A few notes to the commentors: DFP is NOT a dog park. It is a park that allows dogs off leash. Big difference. A fence is not the cure. A few inexpensive signs posted in the two key spots this is likely to happen would suffice.

Dogs chase things wheather it's at DFP, Tunnel trail, More Mesa or La Cumbre peak. Us dog owners are all keenly aware of the vigilance that's required of curious pups and the training necessary to teach them from their own behaviors. It's forever on going.


 COMMENT 357086P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:40 AM

What a sad thing - sympathies to all involved.


 UPONTHEHILL helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:41 AM

This is very sad news. Loosing a member of your family is a hard thing.


 COMMENT 357089P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 08:52 AM

A law suit? Please. That's ridiculous. Perhaps we should fence off the ocean down below ... it is also designated as 'off leash' and an over zealous dog might run in and drown.
I'm very very sorry for the dog and its owners (and thankful for the kind people down below), but don't understand the 'Sue! Sue! Sue!' mentality.


 COMMENT 357069 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 09:13 AM

It is a sad story for all involved. Terrible, deep loss.

The fence, suing, etc. Would be better in another forum, but since it's here...

No fence. We live on a planet that has dangers. I don't get the mentality of fencing off nature to "protect us". Skiing, surfing, backpacking, kayaking...the element of "danger", the unknown, nature is what makes it all so very exciting and deeply felt. Warning signs in areas where a lot of people go that are inexperienced in the outdoors, necessary for sure. The more you put up signage, the more you destroy the experience. Pretty soon we wouldn't be able to go anywhere for fear of a lawsuit. No swimming in the ocean (sharks! rip tides! sea weed!). No hiking (land slides! cliffs! fallen trees!). Man made items (roads, bridges) need to maintained and in good, safe working order as we expect that and need it. But nature...leave nature to herself...


 COMMENT 357093 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 09:24 AM

As we walk through this life-time, all deeds & actions are a direct result of our being wherever we find ourselves. Life & Death are a part of our paths...No-one is forcing anyone else to live,we do so by choice..& by the same choice,we then accept responsibility for all that occours during this life. In other words..everything that happens to you is your own fault...Do like it?...then go to where Life can`t find you.


 COMMENT 357095 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 09:31 AM

I am so sad to hear this story. I walk a friend's dog every now and then at Hendry's. There have been times when I've thought of taking her up to the Wilcox, but since she is not my dog, I don't. She loves to run off-leash. She is far too valuable to risk. Thank you for posting this. It will remind me to keep her safe on the ground away from any cliffs when I walk her! I'll stick to the beach. But, please don't argue to fence off the Wilcox! I agree with 069.


 COMMENT 357104 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 09:43 AM

If your dog runs away from you, and keeps going as you try to catch him, change directions and run in the opposite way, away from danger. He will see you and follow....most times.


 GBOB helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 10:42 AM

A very sad story indeed. Our hearts go out to the owners.

A thought: If we're serious about a fence, how many of us would be willing to donate to a fund to get it done? Hundreds, if not thousands, of us donated to purchase the park for the people (and dogs) of Santa Barbara. Why not start a collecting money now? Perhaps a civic-minded legal/tax expert would be willing to donate the small amount of time required to set up a non-profit to collect and administer. I'm serious. Thankfully, there are quite a few places to take our pups that don't have dangerous cliffs, but we visit Douglas occasionally because our girl seems to like the change of scene. To know it was safer with a fence would be a great comfort.

I'm willing to put $100 into a fund.


 COMMENT 357126 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 10:43 AM

My heart breaks for the owners -- you are in my thoughts!


 COMMENT 357127 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 10:43 AM

So sorry for the dog, their family, and all involved.

Those that wish for the government to save us from all the worlds problems with laws, signs, and fences should get over this liberalism disorder that is destroying this state and country


 COMMENT 357129 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 10:55 AM

Ditto EDDIEKD's post. Not the time and place for fencing and lawsuit debate. Right now compassionate comments of support and condolence are more appropriate. RIP dear Lucy and my heartfelt sympathy to your grieving family.


 COMMENT 357136 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 11:26 AM

Heart breaking. RIP sweet Lucy. ART, Inc.


 COMMENT 357140 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 11:47 AM

Sweet Lord Jesus! That dog is in heaven..take comfort all who mourn...Merry Christmas truly, God cares and loves.


 ROGER DODGER helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 12:37 PM

I for one am sorry I mentioned the fence in this thread because it hijacked the thread that was not my intention. I am sorry for the loss of a great loyal trusted friend. Rest in Peace Dear Friend...


 COMMENT 357157 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 12:52 PM

It just breaks my heart whenever I hear these horrible stories. i f you Google "Noozhawk DFP" you will find the July 2011 article about some of the other recent deaths and injuries from those same cliffs.


 COMMENT 357073 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 02:01 PM

Handler error? They just lost their dog. Be kind.


 COMMENT 357174 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 02:52 PM

Thank you for all the kind comments in response to my message. I volunteer at ASAP, and just received a post from the lead volunteer there today that someone came in and made 2 donations for the sake of Newtown and it's children. Perhaps we could all take this opportunity to do something similar to honor this beloved dogs death. Just a thought. I'm sure DAWG, WLCN and/or all of the other organizations we are fortunate to have helping animals in this town would also appreciate it


 COMMENT 357175P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 02:55 PM

Why are those opposed to an out-of-sight fence, one that would catch/stop a falling dog? Do those opposed to such a barrier oppose all? Would you be opposed if a child fell off the cliff? Neither dogs nor small children can read signs - and a bunch of signs are at least arguably more intrusive than a fence that's over the edge.

This is not a natural, wild area; it's a city park, an "open space park", maintained by the city (remember the hacking of the Ficus a month or so ago!) The city has a responsibility for safety in its public parks — and it took it seriously enough to respond to alleged camping under the Ficus. Why is it silent when quite a few dogs have lost their lives or been seriously injured.

I am genuinely puzzled why people are opposed. (And, yes, I would contribute to such a fund --- and maybe would cease being sorry I contributed to the Wilcox fund.)

How do those unfortunate people who've lost their dogs there feel about a fence?


 COMMENT 357206 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-24 06:46 PM

So sad, heartbreaking. What a loving, caring woman to stop for the dog and the couple who shared this story.


 COMMENT 357285 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-25 10:04 AM

Unfortunate accident, to be sure. But fencing in the world to protect us and our pets from danger is not the right answer. A little forethought about risks that abound in any environment that we encounter is the answer to the problem.


 COMMENT 357129 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-25 02:20 PM

The handler error comment(s) are extremely cruel and cold. It's appalling to me that people can be so cruel when they know that the grieving are reading such hurtful, biting criticism. No, this is NOT the time and place. Amazing to me that people can exhibit such callous disregard. My sympathies to all of those involved in the loss of this beloved pet.


 COMMENT 357365 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-25 07:24 PM

An off leash area on a dangerous bluff....sounds like a playground in the median of highway 101......doesn't make much sense when you consider the amount of injuries and deaths which have occurred to our canine friends. Off leash areas should be SAFE for the animals not contain any hazards. I'm sure a couple well crafted letters to Mr. Douglas would solve the problem, he is a wonderful man, who would not want the animals to be in danger. Simply state the case for creating a safer place.


 COMMENT 357046P helpful negative off topic

2012-12-26 05:49 PM

Good idea, Tracy314, and I agree that Mr. Douglas is a good person, generous in helping donate this land to the City of Santa Barbara. But this IS a city park and it's up to the city to maintain its parks in a safe way. There's no guarantee that the city would accept money that has specific strings to it, to build fencing that, judging by comments here, quite a few do not want, accepting that some dogs may lose their lives.

Anyone know whether there can be a gift that's specified for enhancement of a city-owned property?


 COMMENT 357552 helpful negative off topic

2012-12-27 08:10 AM

A fence over the cliff, not at the top, wouldn't be such a bad idea. It wouldn't limit the view at all and would keep animals/people safe.


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