COMMENT 327623
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2012-10-04 07:01 AM |
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If you contact Goleta's City Clerk, they will send you an email every time a meeting agenda is released. To say you weren't noticed about a meeting or project is incorrect. You weren't paying attention.
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COMMENT 327440
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2012-10-03 04:01 PM |
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As a Goleta resident, I am pretty pissed off that the public was not given any notice of this meeting at all!
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COMMENT 327382
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2012-10-03 01:36 PM |
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It appears from the projected rentals expected by the developer, that the set-up is near airtight, for there to be a raging vacancy rate which under the terms of the approval sought, will allow wholesale conversion to condos, and removal of all these new, "desperately needed" rental units. Do you think Goleta's civic leaders are that stupid that they don't see right through what is going on here?
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COMMENT 327360
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2012-10-03 12:51 PM |
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I live in the Goleta Ghetto (aka Ellwood Loop) - decent apartment complex - 1 bedroom is $1350, 2 bedroom is $1750 and 3 bedroom is $2200. There is always a vacancy and no waiting list except in August when the kids re-infest. I truly can't see much of a use for another apartment complex. There are vacancies at Pacific Oaks, Willow Springs and La Sumida Gardens -we don't seem to be lacking for those kind of places.
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COMMENT 327310P
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2012-10-03 11:02 AM |
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These are apartments not houses. Houses always rent for more.
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COMMENT 327268
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2012-10-03 10:07 AM |
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63P - A three bedroom home rents $2,700 and above per month, so $2,640 is at or below market.
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COMMENT 327310P
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2012-10-03 09:48 AM |
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Well only about 12 folks showed up against the project. A 2 bedroom will cost between $2200-2400. A 3 bedroom will start at $2640. I don't think that is low cost. A developer out of Orange County will build it. If there is more than 5 percent vacancy they can convert them to condos and sell them and get their money and get out of town. I think that the city council should at the very least post meetings on their website. This one wasn't posted and wasn't advertised. Maybe that is why the turn out was low.
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COMMENT 327238P
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2012-10-03 09:10 AM |
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There is an item called a water table, and when that item goes dry from overuse, no amount of money for water can bring it back.
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COMMENT 327211
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2012-10-03 08:32 AM |
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191 and 207, we shouldn't be surprised that the small minded spirit of Bill Wallace lives on. The water issue is such a red herring. Water, like all commodities is and should be priced accordingly. When it becomes more scarce, prices will increase. If developers, and the communities that allow them to build (via permits), are ok with higher water rates where is the problem?
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COMMENT 327207
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2012-10-03 08:14 AM |
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@ 191P: FINALLY someone mentioned the water (or lack thereof) issue.
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COMMENT 327191P
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2012-10-03 07:28 AM |
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I am sorry that Goleta doesn't keep its citizens aware of pending development. And, besides the impact of traffic, loss of wildlife, loss of a great view of the mountains, where is all the water going to come from? With the changes we are all witnessing with lower snow fall, low rain fall, water is critical for the survival of the people already here. Please, no more housing "affordable or higher priced" housing. Our resources are strained enough. And, as to "affordable " housing, if the head counters were honest and counted all the rooms being rented in private homes, the required population would be met many times over. Just drive in any neighborhood on a Sunday morning or any evening, and it is very obvious that more than one family lives in the house.
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COMMENT 327310P
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2012-10-02 08:57 PM |
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145, you are so right! Santa Barbara does have such awesome and unique architecture...why, as an architect, I often marvel at the "innovation" and "unique" qualities of the quasi-Spanish-revivalist style that so thoroughly covers up the 7/11's, MacDonalds, TacoBells, and chain stores and banks permeating the land...So original and "non-heinous", and "OldeTowne SB State Street" or CVR Montecito...unbelievably charming and unique....almost but not quite totally like every other city in the country. As far as Republicans/Conservatives having taken over Goleta...you are right on the money there as well...Goleta should be deep in debt and nearly bankrupt instead of solvent and attractive to families and businesses like it is. I guess they lack that "political vision" thing. ;)
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COMMENT 327145
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2012-10-02 08:01 PM |
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119, I'm not "mimicking" anything. I have eyes. I have lived in SB/Montecito all of my life. I am disgusted by Goleta's ugly architecture. I also laugh everytime I hear the term "Old Town." What's Old Town? The Taco Bell? 7/11? The housing tracts are heinous. (Particularly the boxes near Dos Pueblos.) The Community Center is cited as good architecture, but it is a poorly constructed, poorly ventilated old fire-hazard of a building. Goleta could be a beautiful place, but the capitalists/Republcians have won there. It's over. So . . . build the apartments. Better there than in Santa Barbara.
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COMMENT 327211
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2012-10-02 07:34 PM |
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@041, I'd take Knott's Berry Farm over the buildings housing Pithaya, Economy Muffler, Taco Bell, Wendy's, 7-11, Sizzler, the "Antique" shop next to Santa Cruz Market, and the rest of the mishmash of trash architecture in Old Town. Except for the Community Center, they can bulldoze it. 119 said it much more eloquently: Goleta deserves a level of vision that is sorely absent. There is a professional and political vacuum that is begging to be filled in Goleta. Expectations are low, but let's hope development (or not) of the property across from Costco is the start of something good.
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COMMENT 327310P
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2012-10-02 07:03 PM |
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I love goleta and prefer it to Santa Barbara in every way. I know many of you are so obviously jealous of us goletians' free parking, shopping centers, great restaurants, girsch park, good schools, kid safe sidewalks, and almost non-existent crime, industry and jobs, uncrowded beach, nice affordable housing, University, Airport, all close and walking distance to each other etc. etc....but don't you think you are laying on the "ugly sour grapes" talk a little thick? I am fortunate to own houses in Montecito, SB and Goleta and I could tell you "ugly sour grapes" about all of them but all this post really wanted to know was if anyone knew about the project and was going to the meetings?
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COMMENT 327119
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2012-10-02 06:38 PM |
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@064 You are mimicking a lie that has been told and retold for generations that Goleta was "never beautiful". This lie enables developers to build substandard housing and no one protests because that's all that has ever been built here and therefore, it's all ugly. The discovery of a 400 year-old+ sycamore, the largest sycamore in the United States, in fact, in downtown Old Town Goleta within plain view of Hollister Avenue suggests a beauty that was once breathtaking and only exceeded in awe by the destruction of it. I have yet to meet any developer or architect here (and I've met quite a few) with the kind of vision Goleta needs and deserves. Its state is a total failure of imagination and total maximization of profit. Too bad too. I hear they aren't making new land anymore.
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COMMENT 327073P
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2012-10-02 05:05 PM |
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We don't need any more housing. There are so many places empty.Look at all the blocks and blocks of new buildings of apartments. Each one has there own name (Like Donner) Thats not to mention all the Townhouses , Condos and houses for sale. Why would we want to make Goleta like L A. It was called once Goleta the Good Land.
How about all the places Michael Towbes has that were built. Each one has its own Phase of units. There will be more wait & see
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COMMENT 327145
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2012-10-02 04:53 PM |
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People have to live somewhere, folks. UCSB is ever-expanding. Goleta has always been a mini-LA in the making with its strip-mall, big box asthetics. It has never been beautiful. Even the university is butt-ugly. I don't see how adding a bunch of apartments that are sorely needed is going to do any more damage to my retina than Costco, Home Depot, 7-11 or KMart.
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COMMENT 327310P
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2012-10-02 04:51 PM |
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just curious, is anyone going to the meeting?
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COMMENT 327119
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2012-10-02 04:14 PM |
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@012 No need to "bulldoze" Old Town as there are car lots plus Carpeteria -- ugliest building in the County. That would free up underutilized space and remove an aesthetic crime against humanity. The problem with the rest of your idea is that when the County tried this it destroyed the community's trust which drove Goleta cityhood. Here's why: the County's master plan for Old Town made it a heritage district that would remove the actual heritage and legitimate architectural styles and replace them with Knott's Berry Farm style architecture (wooden sidewalks! fake water towers!) to represent the brief moment in recent time when all of the landowners here were white. I'm white, by the way, and I grew up here too and like diversity, character, and imperfection. Old Town isn't Santa Barbara but it isn't broken either.
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COMMENT 327211
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2012-10-02 03:10 PM |
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The real shame is that the city of Goleta is more than willing to approve new development but doesn't have the huevos to enact eminent domain in Old Town. They should bulldoze a block on either side of Hollister between Fairview and Ward. Pay off all the current owners fair market value and then bid out the entire property to a Master Developer to build mixed use per a general plan agreement. Shops and restaurants on the first floor with apartments and condos on the second floor. Turn Hollister into a two lane road with diagonal parking and bike lanes. Tasteful landscaping throughout. BTW, I was born and raised in Goleta and am happily raising my kids here too. My family would have loved to have helped with a home purchase, but couldn't...you can make a good life here all by yourself. It's not the same place as when I was born at Goleta Valley in 1972, but it's still the Good Land (and can remain that way).
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COMMENT 327119
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2012-10-02 03:05 PM |
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Goleta is the way it was planned to be. If you moved here thinking it was always going to be low density suburbia designed around your car your assumptions are wrong. Goleta will densify. It is due both to profit maximization (infill) and to the very recent use of densification as a more sustainable development option -- though not entirely in earnest. And yes, we do need housing. The complacent landlords (in and outside of IV) that have been milking their investment properties for decades without reinvesting in the maintenance and upkeep have created a debacle of substandard housing. No one, especially degree'd professionals, wants to buy or live in a tear down. Goleta has become the town of $550,000 tear down tract homes.
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COMMENT 327211
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2012-10-02 02:39 PM |
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If you think high density brings low rents,you're kidding yourself. One only has to look at Willow Springs a few blocks away to see that Towbes is getting above market rents for similar properties. Anecdotally I see more families than students at Willow Springs.
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COMMENT 326996
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2012-10-02 02:35 PM |
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This development also includes a shopping center, which will mean more job creations. At least our kids will be able to work close to home.
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COMMENT 326993P
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2012-10-02 02:26 PM |
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Obviously I must have missed something. When did they approve a Target at Lost Carneros?!?
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COMMENT 326979P
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2012-10-02 02:01 PM |
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923, low rent the SB area? Not a chance.
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COMMENT 326966
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2012-10-02 01:34 PM |
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Not to be a jerk, but all you nay-sayers do realize you live next to a major university? There will be lots of students needing housing (and this also includes grad students and faculty who often live and work in the community full time as well as their spouses). You also live in a "new" part of town that is open to development. There really is a housing demand in this city, whether you believe it or not.
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COMMENT 326964
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2012-10-02 01:30 PM |
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936, that really is the only way. Just because those of us who live here enjoy a lot of open space does not mean we get to enjoy it for free for the rest of our lives. If that's what you want, then you need to move next to a national park or some kind of protected space. It's just the way life is. People with money control what happens to the land. Just look at Hawaii.
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COMMENT 326961
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2012-10-02 01:24 PM |
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Not to be cruel, but we dont need any more affordable housing.
If you can't afford to live here you need to look at other options, like Lompoc Oxnard, or Ventura--all of which have buses that can bring you here for work if need be.
I am tired of working my @ss off to live here, only to have whiners cry it's their right to live here too. No it's not. We live in a capitalist society (for now), if you can afford it you can buy it.
I am tired of all these people jamming in here, you can hardly drive down the street any more. Yes I know, move if I don't like it.---Why should I be the one? If all the hard working people left, this place would be a slum and no one would want to live here.
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COMMENT 326960
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2012-10-02 01:21 PM |
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Google UN Agenda 21. All of the dense, mixed use, non owner occupied development is being pushed down from the highest levels of government. Sustainable living means being penned up in a human hive and living your life the way the 1% want you to while they plunder the rest for themselves.
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COMMENT 327360
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2012-10-02 01:11 PM |
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I've lived and worked in Goleta for nearly 30 years. This area is hugely compromised by UCSB and the transient housing situations it presents. It creates the very false impression that there is a housing demand. The demand is a 9 month demand. In reality, very few people are moving here to live and work. I hope that common sense prevails (and it likely won't).
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COMMENT 326954
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2012-10-02 01:04 PM |
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Sounds like a great location and a great project. Thanks for informing me so I can alert others to support this badly-needed project.
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COMMENT 327073P
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2012-10-02 12:58 PM |
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I think there were 24 new buildings proposed this year. I can only name a few Haskell’s Landing housing, the bluffs housing ,Marriott Courtyard ,Willow Springs II,Concrete parking lot accross from the hospital another hotel on the corner of storke and Hollister, The Vitamin store, Bank of America,Temple at Los Canaros, Deckers,The ice rink that should just about use up all our green land. I think we will look just like Woodland hills, Chatsworth,Canoga Park all merge together. No green area or beautiful land all concrete , They will change all the agriculture and rezone it for housing or buildings.Goleta the Good land will be no more .There won't be the any beautiful Good Land left. Plus they will still have all the empty buildings along Hollister Just standing vacant. for years and years I counted 15 just driving down Hollister. No Jobs here!
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COMMENT 326950
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2012-10-02 12:53 PM |
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We can make that acknowledgment after every square inch of land is built on as high as possible. I think we can easily squeeze 2 or 3 million more people in here.
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COMMENT 326948
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2012-10-02 12:47 PM |
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This development will not help the affordable housing situation at all. The market rate rents will be higher than one household can afford, which means people will double up and cram as many students or workers in the units as they can. In IV the students live 3-4 to a room. On the westside as many as 12 people cram into a 2-bdr house, sometimes with an RV parked in the driveway. The only way around this would be to pass a law limiting the number of unrelated people in a residence but the last time they tried this, the landlords stopped the City Council from passing it.
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COMMENT 326944
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2012-10-02 12:35 PM |
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We can't have it both ways, folks. I read all the time about the "need" for affordable housing, the "need" to make sure that darn near anyone who wants to live here will be able to afford to do so. The only way to approach that is to build many, many units of cheap housing. And those will be snapped up, and the call will go out for more. Or, we can acknowledge that Santa Barbara is an expensive place to live, and let natural selection and personal choice prevail.
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COMMENT 326941
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2012-10-02 12:31 PM |
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@936
Thank you Mr San Fernando valley
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COMMENT 326936
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2012-10-02 12:23 PM |
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If someone is does not want a piece of land developed, then that person should step up and purchase the land with their own funds and preserve it.
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COMMENT 326929
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2012-10-02 12:15 PM |
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We need more housing for more people. There's lots of open space all over the area so there's room for 10's of thousands of more units. Millions of people would like to live here but it's expensive. We need to hit the market hard with as many densely built units as possible to accommodate demand with cheap housing. My family had a hard time affording a home when we moved here last year.
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COMMENT 326979P
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2012-10-02 12:03 PM |
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Thanks for posting this. Typical developer shenanigans, do what is required by law but do everything you can not to tell anyone who might object to what your doing. Well, thanks to you and your neighbor the word is out. The truth always finds the light.
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COMMENT 326923
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2012-10-02 12:03 PM |
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The more rentals on the market, the lower the rent. That area across from CostCo is perfect for residential development unlike the area being torn up for Target on Los Carneros. Not at all the same type of land.
The land under question for the apartments was lost long ago.
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COMMENT 326921P
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2012-10-02 11:56 AM |
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I'm not out in Goleta all that often, but every time I have driven (or ridden the bus) past this property, I have felt so happy that there was still some open space in Goleta. And, yet, my heart always hurt a bit, knowing that some day soon, some developer would come along and erect ugly concrete buildings. Good-bye to all the squirrels. And say good-bye to the hawks and kestrels that hunt there, too. Poor Goleta. She has no protectors anymore.
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COMMENT 326919
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2012-10-02 11:46 AM |
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ALL rentals? Man, the developers are cashing in on the student population---with little or no regard for the local permanent residents. 'How unusual".
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