COMMENT 322002
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2012-09-19 07:10 PM |
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If you think you should have it nice and quiet at home, try going camping and watch all the idiots and be glad you don't have to deal with that 24/7.
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COMMENT 321918
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2012-09-19 03:33 PM |
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892, can't you see both sides of this issue, though? For every laughing neighbor in town who is pleasant and not truly loud, there are people who bang on walls, drums and play loud music until the wee hours of the morning. There ARE legitimate complaints about noise. I see your point, but let's meet half way on this. Calling everyone who is bothered by noise not sane or having a form of OCD is a bit over the top. Not to mention totally inaccurate. It's a situational thing and you can't say that just because YOUR situation doesn't bother YOU, everyone else is nuts.
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COMMENT 321892
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2012-09-19 02:53 PM |
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Wow. Seriously? There are really too many uptight, anxious people in this town. I can see if there is constant excessive noise, but my goodness it sounds like there are just so many people who a pin drop would aggravate them, and that is more about their psychological wellness than anything else. It's like a form of OCD or something. What is wrong with some noise? Every night my neighbor laughs loudly, is outside talking, etc. and it doesn't even phase me because i'm SANE and can tune it out.
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COMMENT 321850
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2012-09-19 12:51 PM |
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Pick the most likely suspect and put a brick through his/her window. They'll get the message and stop complaining.
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COMMENT 321815
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2012-09-19 12:02 PM |
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The Bowl is restricted by many factors, The time of the Evening and the db that the Bands are not supposed to exceed. And it happens regularly that the do get louder than the db limit set by the County. For every show there is a SB county Noise guy There with his little meter. When the band is to loud they get a Fine.. And they keep getting Fined until it goes down.. However the Crowd Noise is not a factor that they get fined for and is often the loudest thing you can hear. Anyway. The bands get fined all the time.. The fine however does not help you.. IT just makes the County some Slush Fund Money. Perhaps you should ask the County to Buy you Ear Plugs with the Fine Money.. as it does nothing else.. Most Bands are well prepared to pay the fines..
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COMMENT 321794
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2012-09-19 11:21 AM |
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725, I fully agree with the ordinance preventing skateboarders from being on the sidewalk and endangering pedestrians, I just think it is stupid to say they can't be on the street either. They have to be considered a vehicle or a pedestrian, one or the other. Why is a bike considered a vehicle and a skateboard isn't? Maybe the City thinks it is a safety issue but I don't see why one being next to cars is that much more dangerous than the other.
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COMMENT 321792
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2012-09-19 11:12 AM |
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Here's a thought. Instead of waiting for someone to step over your own personal line of what annoys you, start getting to know your neighbors--all of them, at least so you can recognize each other and know each others' names. This makes it a lot easier to approach them later when something is truly bothering you, or vice versa. Gee, you might even make a friend and the community will be a better place!
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COMMENT 322002
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2012-09-19 09:17 AM |
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Not so much entitlement but a severe lack of morals, values and common sense. Looks like rotten apples are the norm.
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BONNER
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2012-09-19 08:58 AM |
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There's a huge difference between someone occasionally having a party or wedding of family member than someone who uses their residence as a party house or an "event" house as a commercial venue on an ongoing basis in a quiet residential community. Also, without proper notifications to the neighbors in advance it can promote mistrust toward the person(s) holding events that are also accompanied by parking problems, loud noise levels, and sometimes drunken guests stumbling thru your streets to their cars leaving cigarette butts and beer bottles in their wake. After all they don't live there so why care, someone else can take care of it, right? The entitlement issue spoken here goes both ways!
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COMMENT 321725
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2012-09-19 08:31 AM |
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@94, as a frequent downtown walker, few things are more obnoxious than the skateboard punks who slalom along the sidewalk with the expectation that pedestrians - including those with kids in tow - must move aside for their entitled, ordinance-ignoring butts to zoom by. I'd vote for more enforcement with steeper fines, especially the downhills on the narrow 101 underpass, not less. Next time one of the jerks clips your ankle with plywood, do let us know how you enjoy it.
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COMMENT 321711
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2012-09-19 08:00 AM |
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When the noise makers make more noise as a result of a complaint...they are loathesome and it should be legal to pelt them with rotten tomatoes. No, your dogs' freedom to bark does not supercede my right to quiet enjoyment of my property....here too...rotted tomatoes as well !!!
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COMMENT 321710
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2012-09-19 07:56 AM |
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If you ever get a ticket for citizens arrest the citizen must sign it and then you know who they are. The police cannot necessarily make the complaint themselves depending on time of day.
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COMMENT 321794
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2012-09-19 07:07 AM |
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If you can get a ticket from the cops without them actually hearing anything, then that has to a violation of your rights. I would get the cops to write up what they actually heard when they arrived at the residence, and then contest the ticket. I can't believe any judge would uphold a charge without any evidence against you like that. And you will find out who the complaining party is and then be able to talk to them or retaliate, as you wish. Just because the City passes a stupid ordinance, similar to preventing skateboarders from being on the streets or the sidewalks in the downtown area, doesn't mean we have to let them get away with it.
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COMMENT 321691
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2012-09-19 06:55 AM |
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Nobody can sign a citizen's arrest against your dog
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COMMENT 321663
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2012-09-18 07:35 PM |
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I can feel the OP's pain, I had a neighbor in an apartment that would complain any time a child played outside that it was my kids. Did not make any difference that there were a lot of other kids in the complex or if I was on vacation (with my kids) it was always me. The guy just did not look to see who the parents were and assumed since I was the only parent that ever supervised, clearly I was the sole parent to all those kids (I could have had my own tv show if that was true) My suggestion is to write a note to your neighbors and include an email address asking them to contact you. And let them know that the source of the noise from the party was not your house. Then, I would set up a video any time I thought I was going to get a complaint so you can show it to the judge and prove a pattern of harassment
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COMMENT 321918
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2012-09-18 07:26 PM |
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The way I see it, if my neighbors have an annual party, or an out of the blue event, fair enough. If it's happening every weekend.....or every month, that's another story. I also think sometimes we can be noisier than we THINK we're being. But on the whole, the complaints are usually hair-trigger in nature and could be done face to face rather than calling the cops who nearly always have better things to do.
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COMMENT 321640P
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2012-09-18 06:40 PM |
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All the people who like loud music will only be getting worse as they kill off their cochlear hair cells, but at least it will be some small measure of justice that they'll end up isolated in their own heads, with all the echoes.
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SBROCKS
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2012-09-18 06:36 PM |
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I was at the concert and didn't even need ear plugs. It was loud but not unusually loud. The bass was strong, you could feel it in your chest. I had picked up ear plugs when I saw the speakers but never needed them. I think it was the strong bass and not over the sound limit.
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COMMENT 321627
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2012-09-18 05:51 PM |
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The Bowl was there before people moved next to it. Sometimes it gets loud. Hopefully Slayer will come through on tour next year!
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COMMENT 321616
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2012-09-18 05:09 PM |
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599: I agree 100% with you. The people who say it's okay to make noise and others just have to "deal with it" because they live in a city are the ones that want to be noisy without consequence. Of course you can make noise, but be considerate, think about others, and make sure your noise doesn't disturb anyone else. Keep your dogs inside unless you know 100% they aren't barking outside. As for the county bowl, the noise ordinances related to it need to be enforced strictly. Otherwise, it shouldn't be smack dab in the middle of a residential area...
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COMMENT 321606P
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2012-09-18 04:52 PM |
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There's no escape from noise. I had a nice rancho in the foothills and there was constant noise from:
1. The neighbor across the canyon who collected and worked on classic cars in his shade-tree garage/man cave.
2. Neighbor kids on ATVs.
3. Early summer mow and weed-whip season
4. Late summer and fall firewood chainsaw season
5. The flight path from Santa Paula to Santa Barbara is surprisingly busy
6. Helispray of foothill avo orchards As Sartre said, "Hell is other people." That includes me!
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COMMENT 321599
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2012-09-18 04:41 PM |
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With population growth rate skyrocketing, common sense dictates we must all be more considerate and not less. To anyone who has quiet and considerate neighbors: you should get down on your knees and kowtow to the powers that be. You have no idea how g--d---n lucky you are!
497, 510 know whereof they "speak." There is absolutely no argument that can be made which shows that subjecting your neighbors to noise is your right. If any neighbor makes it known that your noise (barking dogs, loud music, whatever) is bothering him/her/them----trust me, this noise has been going on for far too long.
Most people will never speak out or call police/sheriffs, unless they've got their fill of such rude and inconsiderate neighbors. Put barking dogs in the house at night (der!) and play your music loud enough for you to hear, but not loud enough to assault a neighbor's peace & quiet. County Bowl really doesn't apply to "noisy neighbor" discussion.
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COMMENT 321597P
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2012-09-18 04:29 PM |
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Great advice!
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COMMENT 321595P
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2012-09-18 04:20 PM |
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This is what I would do: Write a letter and mail it to everyone on the block -- not just those you suspect, but even the nice neighbors on both sides of you. (In the letter, make it clear that everyone on your block is receiving an identical letter.) Explain that you want to be a good neighbor. Give instances of how you are a good neighbor (leaf blower, workers, dogs, etc.). Don't get into the complaints you have had. Have a neutral party read and critique the letter for you. You don't want emotion, just rationality. Ask that if anyone on your property exceeds the neighbor's tolerance for noise that they come see you personally and/or call you. Give them your phone number. Tell them how much you want to resolve any problems quickly and effectively.
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COMMENT 321587
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2012-09-18 03:55 PM |
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Jeez, reading this and all the other posts about "noisy neighbors" and complaining neighbors makes me realize just how lucky I am to have the great neighbors that I have. I've lived all over this town (including Goleta) at one point or another and I find it strange that the most picky, "anti-noise" people are those living in the loudest parts of downtown.
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COMMENT 321597P
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2012-09-18 03:43 PM |
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OP Here. Very interesting responses. I genuinely want to try and resolve this. I dont know who is making the complaint, that is by far the most frustrating thing. I have several adjacent neighbors claiming my dogs aren't a problem when we are away and our music has also never bothered them. I do care what my neighbors think I just dont know how to appease the neighbor leaving these complaints and calling the PD. Maybe they will see my post here and we can have a conversation. To those that dont believe the police will ticket you with no or minimal noise coming from your house need to look up the noise ordinance in SB. It is enough that the reporting party is bothered and cites your residence as the cause. First call is a warning, second call gets you a citizens arrest and ticket. That is straight from the mouth of the SBPD.
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COMMENT 321627
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2012-09-18 03:26 PM |
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I'm usually too hammered to notice if there is any extra noise.
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COMMENT 321574
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2012-09-18 03:25 PM |
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I live 4 blocks from the Bowl and was home watching TV during Def leppard concert. I didn't hear concert noise. The noise from the concert-goers walking back to their cars along E. Anapamu, and shouting and yelling to one another past our windows and those of the sleeping neighbors...that was annoying. It happens every show but I've lived on this street for 20 years and know what to expect. Are the acoustics in this city really such that noise somehow travels miles from the Bowl and causes floors to vibrate on the Mesa when 4 boocks away I don't hear or feel a thing behind closed doors?
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COMMENT 321572
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2012-09-18 03:23 PM |
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"Is there any escape from noise?"
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COMMENT 321567P
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2012-09-18 03:20 PM |
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I can relate to the OP. We had new neighbors move into our neighborhood. It was four new families in four houses within a few months of eachother. During the summer we have raccoons and coyotes that like to run through our neighborhood. Almost every house on our block has dogs. Our neighbors next door and the house behind us have very vocal dogs. Ours can get riled when something is in our yard. One night our neighbors dog barked for three hours. My husband went outside at 3am and chased off the raccoon and the dog quieted. The next day we had a note on our car threatening to call the police. Two nights later the dog was at it again. We could not figure out why she was barking. The following day we got a visit and a noise ticket. I calmly explained that we made sure it was not our dogs barking and could do nothing to stop someone else's dog. It didn't matter we were blamed so we got the ticket. When we talked to the dog owner he replied that's why I have a dog so she will bark when something is out there at night. So frustrating when there is nothing you can do because someone does not make sure they are calling the police on the right people.
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COMMENT 321553P
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2012-09-18 02:54 PM |
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I agree with 546. If there wasn't any noise coming from OP's house and it was obvious that it was coming from down the street, why did the police ticket him? If they did write up a report, get a copy of it and find out who called them in the first place. Also, I thought that the City has a noise curfew between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. and that the police could be called only between those hours re noise levels. There is something about this story that doesn't make sense to me either.
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COMMENT 321550
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2012-09-18 02:36 PM |
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The concert caused my floors to vibrate (on the Westside!) so I thought it was nearby. When I realized it was coming from the Bowl, I relaxed because I knew it wouldn't go all night. But it must have exceeded their decibel limit. It is not whiney for people to request reasonable noise limits. Noise lovers can wear headphones and blast their own ears.
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COMMENT 321794
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2012-09-18 02:14 PM |
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There's something about this story that doesn't sound right. A neighbor calls to complain about noise. The cops show up. They need to validate the complaint, right? If they don't hear noise, they can't ticket.
If they hear a loud party down the street, it seems like they should mosey on down the street and threaten to ticket them?
If my neighbor called the cops on me because of noise, and the cops don't hear noise, I would ask them to write it up in their notes. Then you can request a copy of the case from the police and those case notes will have the complaining party name. Then you will have their name and proof that they are making spurious complaints. If indeed you are in the right, the law can be used against your neighbors. Of course, working it out with resorting to police is always best but it sounds like you are past that point.
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COMMENT 321527
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2012-09-18 01:18 PM |
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I live less than 1/2 mi up the hill from the Bowl, and I didn't hear a thing from when I got up at 6 AM Saturday till I went to bed at midnight.
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COMMENT 321524
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2012-09-18 01:14 PM |
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I'm with 487. We live in a neighborhood. With neighbors. Everyone makes noise, plays music, mows their lawn, etc. sometimes. We are very tolerant and expect other people (especially those who live 10 feet away) to be tolerant of us as well. There are plenty of isolated homes in the mountains. 497 says move to IV...clearly a person who has never had children, friends, dogs, friends, or conversations. That is probably why individuals have so much time to complain.
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COMMENT 321525
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2012-09-18 01:14 PM |
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I was going to post this in the other SB BOWL NOISE thread, but it won't let me because of the '3 or more community members' rule. Here are my thoughts: When I go looking for a place to live, I consider the ramifications of my neighborhood - crime, traffic, noise elements, etc. The Bowl has been there since the 1930s, and is an awesome local venue. It was updated over the past several years to allow for better acts to be booked (in other words, make it a more contemporary facility). Just like the helicopters landing at Cottage, this is the price we pay to live in a city. Most of the time it's peaceful and quiet, but as it continues to evolve and modernize we must all adapt our tolerance levels, or move to more rural areas. It's up to us as individuals to decide that.
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COMMENT 321523
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2012-09-18 01:12 PM |
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Another person who thinks their poop don't stink. Whatever. Regarding the Santa Barbara Bowl decibel level....I live on the Mesa and heard the concert. It was certainly loud. But I have heard MANY other concerts that were much louder. It's for 2 hours, and they stop before 10pm. Quit yer damn whining.
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COMMENT 321522
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2012-09-18 01:08 PM |
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Wow. What a vent. This OP is so typical. They THINK they are holier than thou, but in fact they have several dogs that bark NONSTOP when they are away. But because their dogs don't bark when they are home, they think nothing is wrong.
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COMMENT 321627
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2012-09-18 01:07 PM |
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510 might consider moving up on the mountain or out to the country. It's a city. There are festivals and concerts here. Get used to it because that won't chnge any time soon.
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COMMENT 321517
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2012-09-18 01:00 PM |
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AMEN!!! 510!
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COMMENT 321725
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2012-09-18 12:45 PM |
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People spend a whole lot to buy the peace and quiet in Santa Barbara. They're grown accustomed to it. They have a right to enjoy it without racket being imposed by inconsiderate neighbors broadcasting their musical tastes. Playing loud amplified music and raucous party voices in peaceful areas are choices somebody is making, not necessities. Perhaps people are complaining more because so many entitled twits (not accusing the OP of that - unknown quantity) have decided that their pleasure supersedes others' appreciation of quietness...a general shift away from civil society to an everyone-for-him/herself aggressive mindset that Ayn Rand fans appreciate and is now becoming pervasive.
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COMMENT 321501
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2012-09-18 12:30 PM |
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Unfortunately this is the general state of our community. SB has a huge number of people who feel that their _____ doesnt stink and that anything that happens to effect their idea of that perfection must be shut down. Its endemic to our town and its a major problem. Many people have noted this snottyness and noseyness about SB people. Its the single worst part about living here - having to deal with all these nosey, snotty, and frankly weak and scared people who have their whacked sense of entitlement and sense of what makes SB perfect. And EdHat seems to be populated by these people more than other "communities" - maybe its because so few people work here that they have so much free time? I really dont know... but its a problem and its very, very obvious to those who have lived in other communities.
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COMMENT 321517
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2012-09-18 12:21 PM |
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As a former Santa Barbararian and one with a deep hatred of noisy neighbors...I have to take the side of the law. If you are so loud that someone complains then you are being too loud. It's against the law to disturb the peace and quiet of another. And that's that! Move to IV if you want to make noise-or better yet, back to your play pen at mommy and daddy's house!
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COMMENT 321527
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2012-09-18 12:19 PM |
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Easy. For less than $100 you can get a wireless video security camera with night vision capability. You just mount it so it covers the place where the notes are usually left, and it wirelessly connects to your computer. Just set it to record, and the next time you get a note, you'll have the perp on tape.
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COMMENT 321493
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2012-09-18 12:15 PM |
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Sounds like you have a very bored neighbor.. Sucks that alot of the people who live in this city / county have nothing better to do then complain & whine about petty things.
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COMMENT 321627
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2012-09-18 12:03 PM |
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Sounds like there is a bad neighbor in the mix. If you have narrowed it down to 3 neighbors, politely approach each of them. If you find the one, invite discussion. But be forewarned that some neighbors think they own the block and complain at the sound of a pin drop.
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